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Jay wrote:Tragic man. Nothing to do with @fit Quack. It's a human tragedy. This type of story has no bearing on this thread. We don't know his mental state, why he did this or anything. It has nothing to do with @fit whatsoever. You can find crazy shit in all levels and types of strength sports.

Put some of that misplaced hate aside and focus on those that deserve it.

I agree. I'm sure his family wouldn't want to see that. And Google will make sure they do.

Endogenous testosterone and cortisol modulate neural responses during induced anger control.
Apparently, high test and high cortisol (as associated with chronic @F workout patterns) have no bearing on anger control...oh wait.

I know when I was doing @F the hardest my fuse was as short as it has ever been. I believe there is a correlation between high test, high cortisol, and reactive hypoglycemic episodes...in some people, a deadly combination. Who knows in this situation.

Also, there's been a significant recent history of violence showing up in the @F community in significant media outlets...what do you think is happening that isn't making the news?

What a duck says wrote:Endogenous testosterone and cortisol modulate neural responses during induced anger control.
Apparently, high test and high cortisol (as associated with chronic @F workout patterns) have no bearing on anger control...oh wait.

I know when I was doing @F the hardest my fuse was as short as it has ever been. I believe there is a correlation between high test, high cortisol, and reactive hypoglycemic episodes...in some people, a deadly combination. Who knows in this situation.

Also, there's been a significant recent history of violence showing up in the @F community in significant media outlets...what do you think is happening that isn't making the news?

If that's how you want to justify this. Feel free. Glad that makes a good excuse for you.

You could say the same for powerlifting, strongman or even bodybuilding. It's pointless. This is a human issue not a workout or @fit issue.

What a duck says wrote:I know when I was doing @F the hardest my fuse was as short as it has ever been. I believe there is a correlation between high test, high cortisol, and reactive hypoglycemic episodes...in some people, a deadly combination. Who knows in this situation.

You seem to be suggesting that you do, but you don't. Tens of thousands of idiots do @Fit. You're going to get some EDPs and criminals in the mix.

Also, there's been a significant recent history of violence showing up in the @F community in significant media outlets...what do you think is happening that isn't making the news?

I'm going to go with: "less important events."

OK. Please let me know which committee members I should filter my posts through first. It is IGx, after all.

What a duck says wrote:OK. Please let me know which committee members I should filter my posts through first. It is IGx, after all.

Just saying there are stories about @fit that apply to, well actual fucking @fit, and there are things that are human tragedies that have nothing to do with @fit other that the guy works at one.

Jay wrote:

What a duck says wrote:OK. Please let me know which committee members I should filter my posts through first. It is IGx, after all.

Just saying there are stories about @fit that apply to, well actual fucking @fit, and there are things that are human tragedies that have nothing to do with @fit other that the guy works at one.

This is more of what I meant.

Jay wrote:

What a duck says wrote:OK. Please let me know which committee members I should filter my posts through first. It is IGx, after all.

Just saying there are stories about @fit that apply to, well actual fucking @fit, and there are things that are human tragedies that have nothing to do with @fit other that the guy works at one.

How exactly is this any different than the Outlaw circlejerk that's been going on?

Meh.

What a duck says wrote:@F training + saying you're an ex-Green Beret + living in Alaska doesn't always equal Rambo: First Blood.
http://fairfaxnews.com/2012/09/falls-ch ... -troopers/

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Locals in the Healy area described Ziniewicz as a “drifter” who told several people in the community that he was a former Green Beret and was planning to live in the woods this winter and write a book.

In all fairness, he does a mean OHS with 75# though...

Truly sad news when things escalate so badly and violently. But odd: the "drifter" has on brand new Innov-8s.

That faggot didnt die he just beat the shit out of his wife

Stillwater wrote:

Jay wrote:

What a duck says wrote:OK. Please let me know which committee members I should filter my posts through first. It is IGx, after all.

Just saying there are stories about @fit that apply to, well actual fucking @fit, and there are things that are human tragedies that have nothing to do with @fit other that the guy works at one.

How exactly is this any different than the Outlaw circlejerk that's been going on?

It happened AT a @fit gym, between two people who owned the place while he was fucking a mistress who is now his "assistant coach", that's juicy drama, not a tragedy where a Green Beret (who may or may not have mental issues from service) is shot and killed after shooting another man.

I think most of us can fucking distinguish between TMZ@fit and a human life being taken.

High test and hi cortisol is an extremely unusual condition, found most often in exogenous testosterone users, so, quack, it's pretty unlikely you've experienced this naturally

The article you cited was high test low cort conditions. Did you even read it?

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Endocrinology is a whole field of medicine

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Endocrinology is a whole field of medicine

shit, I Googled his name to see if he was actually a Green Beret and saw this posted on a Disabled Vet FB page from May 29:

"My son Special Forces Atom Ziniewicz is having the same problem with Alcohol and he has been told he is bi-polar now but he can't get any help and he lives in Alexander VA, he is now in the Pscy ward of a hospital in Washington DC, he needs help before he kills himself, please contact his wife Carrie @ [email protected]. We are desperate to find him the help he needs."

tragedy all the fucking way around, nothing to lay on CF

milosz wrote:shit, I Googled his name to see if he was actually a Green Beret and saw this posted on a Disabled Vet FB page from May 29:

"My son Special Forces Atom Ziniewicz is having the same problem with Alcohol and he has been told he is bi-polar now but he can't get any help and he lives in Alexander VA, he is now in the Pscy ward of a hospital in Washington DC, he needs help before he kills himself, please contact his wife Carrie @ [email protected]. We are desperate to find him the help he needs."

tragedy all the fucking way around, nothing to lay on CF

That's a damn shame man.

Yeah, RIP to the troubled soldier...we're going to have a lot of them for the next decade.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Yeah, RIP to the troubled soldier...we're going to have a lot of them for the next decade.

I think we will. I know several who did a few tours of duty that came back completely different.

They are getting the help they need thankfully.

Jay wrote:

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Yeah, RIP to the troubled soldier...we're going to have a lot of them for the next decade.

I think we will. I know several who did a few tours of duty that came back completely different.

They are getting the help they need thankfully.

How involved in @fit were they, it could be that, ya'know!!

Shaf.

From the abstract I linked:

When cortisol levels were low, testosterone positively correlated with activation in the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex (dlPFC) and thalamus, but not when cortisol levels were high. During induced anger control, functional connectivity was increased between the amygdala and a top-down prefrontal cortical control network. Moreover, the amygdala-PFC connectivity was strongest among those high in testosterone and low in cortisol.

This relates to the more general concept of:

Brain imaging studies suggest that antisocial and violent behavior is associated with structural and functional deficits in the prefrontal cortex [...]

If you didn't put it together yet, high cortisol would be associated with decreased anger control, at least with what we know now. Nice try.

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I got more information on this guy.

BeastModalDomains first noticed his awesome programming at @F Liberation (which he later sold), which included TRUST FALLS.


@F Liberation, before he sold it, was said to be WAY more culty than the average affiliate. Possibly even beyond what HQ would advise.

When a former Army SF (with potential/probable PTSD issues) sells his gym, goes to Alaska, shoots some poor bastard, and gets into a firefight with local law enforcement that ends with him being shot dead...should it not be mentioned because it is a "tragedy"?

In the last 2-3 months we've had:
-@F owner busted in major drug ring
-@F owner commit suicide after allegation of sex abuse on a teenage boy member
-@F owner habitually assaulting/harassing homeless people
-@F owner getting arrested for spousal abuse
-@F owner shot and killed after losing his shit in the wilderness

Draw your own conclusions. If this thread isn't about the antics of @Fers and their dear leaders, what IS it about, exactly?

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BTW, @F lurkers still crying in your coconut water over his retirement, look to this archived site for your past favorite BeastModalDomains posts...

I think we will. I know several who did a few tours of duty that came back completely different.

They are getting the help they need thankfully.

Lot to be said for a good head doctor speaking from experience.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:High test and hi cortisol is an extremely unusual condition, found most often in exogenous testosterone users, so, quack, it's pretty unlikely you've experienced this naturally

Also, I'm pretty sure they are referring to high or low relative mainly to others in the study, not lab high test (aka hypergonadism or on the joos), especially considering they're talking about Asian students IIRC.

My reading comprehension is just fine, tanx.