Eh? Be careful with that number, it's easily picked apart.Grandpa's Spells wrote:25 consecutive months of job growth.DARTH wrote: And be ready to die like one.
Can't wait to see how much brown love libs have when it all goes Thunderdome and they are getting beat down for their food and their woman is being raped by the kind of people who's rights they were so concerned about.
Where does the GOP go from here?
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I'm not saying you're wrong FWIW. Your suspicions might be correct. It's still too early to see whether corporations and big donors have gained more influence. I just happen to think that corporations get more bang for their buck in the hiddden ways than in big ones.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.htmlNever before has so much political money been spent to achieve so little.
Record spending by independent groups, which in many ways defined how campaigns were waged this year, had no discernible effect on the outcome of most races, according to an analysis by The Washington Post.
I'm not saying you're wrong FWIW. Your suspicions might be correct. It's still too early to see whether corporations and big donors have gained more influence. I just happen to think that corporations get more bang for their buck in the hiddden ways than in big ones.
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I can't speak for other swing states, but I know a significant number of former republican or conservative leaning voters who voted for Obama not because they became "lefties" in any governmental fiscal or handout sense, but because the GOP's tack on abortion, women, and essentially anything to do with sex repulsed them. This includes my Reagan fanboy dad, my mother, my wife (who kind liked Paul the best, really) and several former military friends. Considering the narrowness of the victory here, I would not be at all surprised if it could have made the difference. Virginians are pretty fiscally conservative in what they vote in for state government, so I feel the GOP lost on social issues here, not Socialism.BucketHead wrote:It depends on how many more Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks are left in the GOP.
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Didn't know that. Here's the unemployment rate trend from the Bureau of Labor Stats:Turdacious wrote:Eh? Be careful with that number, it's easily picked apart.Grandpa's Spells wrote:25 consecutive months of job growth.DARTH wrote: And be ready to die like one.
Can't wait to see how much brown love libs have when it all goes Thunderdome and they are getting beat down for their food and their woman is being raped by the kind of people who's rights they were so concerned about.

If the picking apart involves underemployment or people who have stopped seeking jobs, that's always been true with the unemployment rate, and hasn't affected it's use as an economic indicator. Down good, up bad.
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Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
I don't really care about growth as long as I get all my free stuff.
Obama's narcissism and arrogance is only superseded by his naivete and stupidity.
Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
Think it's more the Republicans lost it than the Big O won it. His number of votes are lower as is the overall counts. Exit polling about Aiken, et al. might be interesting.
2008 2012 % Change
Obama 69,456,897 60,674,233 -12.6%
Repub 59,934,814 57,836,379 -3.5%
Total 129,391,711 118,510,612 -8.4%
Obama 53.7% 51.2% -4.6%
Repub 46.3% 48.8% 5.4%
Total 100.0% 100.0% --
2008 counts come from the 2008 election wiki page, 2012 comes from the NYT election page. Percentages and percent change I did. And before anyone says 51.7 - 51.2 <> -4.6, google "percent change".
2008 2012 % Change
Obama 69,456,897 60,674,233 -12.6%
Repub 59,934,814 57,836,379 -3.5%
Total 129,391,711 118,510,612 -8.4%
Obama 53.7% 51.2% -4.6%
Repub 46.3% 48.8% 5.4%
Total 100.0% 100.0% --
2008 counts come from the 2008 election wiki page, 2012 comes from the NYT election page. Percentages and percent change I did. And before anyone says 51.7 - 51.2 <> -4.6, google "percent change".
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I too believe Obama's re-election will precipitate America's descent into an post-apocalyptic existence where good white men are forced to fight to the death in decrepit arenas while our precious white women are raped by slavering hordes of brown people. Of all scenarios offered this is the one most founded in a thoughtful, objective assessment of facts.
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At this point I don't think it matters who is governing. We are on a trajectory that started with FDR or maybe even earlier, that is now unstoppable because the majority of Americans have decided to trade freedom for free stuff. It is a spiral path that leads to misery and the collective "we" deserve what we get. At election time, I sometimes wish I hadn't reproduced. It's going to be hell for my grandchildren.
Bread and circuses.
Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
Food and fuel will be rhe medium of exchange. Begin the hoarding.
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I know you're trying to sound less than partisan, but I just have this sneaky suspicion you'd be a tad less somber if Romney and his neo-con Patriot Act'ors were elected.Screaming Flying Monkey wrote:At this point I don't think it matters who is governing. We are on a trajectory that started with FDR or maybe even earlier, that is now unstoppable because the majority of Americans have decided to trade freedom for free stuff. It is a spiral path that leads to misery and the collective "we" deserve what we get. At election time, I sometimes wish I hadn't reproduced. It's going to be hell for my grandchildren.
And when people talk like this I have to confess, it gets a wee bit hard to discern what is a "freedom" and what is a "free stuff". Is access to a legal abortion a freedom or a free stuff (remember when abortions were illegal)? The legal right for gays to marry, a right or free stuff? Access to good schools (remember when blacks were barred from public universities)? Pay equity among genders and races?
In recent history it's the Dems who've driven down the debt, and social progress actually extends freedoms, so I'm not entirely clued in to your morning after despondency.

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In her defense, she is female.

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The thing that @ is leaving out of it's analysis is that the majority of these rights/free stuff were given to us by the Courts-- not elected officials.Thud wrote:And when people talk like this I have to confess, it gets a wee bit hard to discern what is a "freedom" and what is a "free stuff". Is access to a legal abortion a freedom or a free stuff (remember when abortions were illegal)? The legal right for gays to marry, a right or free stuff? Access to good schools (remember when blacks were barred from public universities)? Pay equity among genders and races?
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I am female, and I know that makes me almost retarded. I am partisan in that identify myself as somewhere between libertarian and anarchist.
Romney wouldn't have been any better. I just think about it more at this time of year. I think free access to birth control and abortion is the nuts, but pay for it yourself if you want to play. We should take care of those who legitimately cannot take care of themselves, but we shouldn't have to take care of rational educated people who simply decide to make bad decisions.
I think any 2 (or 10) people who want to get married should go ahead as long as they are willing to take care of themselves and any offspring.
Public education. That's a whole new thread. What has government done about access to "good" schools? We live in a very nice upscale rural town and the public school is so devoid of any actual education that we've had to send our children to private schools. 80% of the public school's teachers send their kids to private schools.
And I am not saying that some very good things haven't happened over the last few decades. I just see a trend that frightens me more than a little bit.
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Romney wouldn't have been any better. I just think about it more at this time of year. I think free access to birth control and abortion is the nuts, but pay for it yourself if you want to play. We should take care of those who legitimately cannot take care of themselves, but we shouldn't have to take care of rational educated people who simply decide to make bad decisions.
I think any 2 (or 10) people who want to get married should go ahead as long as they are willing to take care of themselves and any offspring.
Public education. That's a whole new thread. What has government done about access to "good" schools? We live in a very nice upscale rural town and the public school is so devoid of any actual education that we've had to send our children to private schools. 80% of the public school's teachers send their kids to private schools.
And I am not saying that some very good things haven't happened over the last few decades. I just see a trend that frightens me more than a little bit.
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Bread and circuses.
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Poor @-- it actually thinks that Earl Warren was a Democrat.
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Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
Less talky-talky, more sucky-sucky.
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So why the despondency, TTurdacious wrote:The thing that @ is leaving out of it's analysis is that the majority of these rights/free stuff were given to us by the Courts-- not elected officials.Thud wrote:And when people talk like this I have to confess, it gets a wee bit hard to discern what is a "freedom" and what is a "free stuff". Is access to a legal abortion a freedom or a free stuff (remember when abortions were illegal)? The legal right for gays to marry, a right or free stuff? Access to good schools (remember when blacks were barred from public universities)? Pay equity among genders and races?

I'm starting to think Rights, Freedom and Free Stuff are merely codewords for permission for white/males/rich/industry (elites!) to maintain or extend social, political and economic injustices.

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Way to put turd in his place.Shapecharge wrote:Less talky-talky, more sucky-sucky.

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Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
TFat Cat wrote:Way to put turd in his place.Shapecharge wrote:Less talky-talky, more sucky-sucky.


Re: Where does the GOP go from here?
You realize that Obama has voted for the Patriot Act every time? And approved the NDAA(indefinite detention)? And several other warrantless wiretap, domestic drone use, and various Spy bills? Also has executed an American citizen without trial, has kept Guantanamo open, has a secret kill list carried out by the CIA, and has invaded several more countries in the Mideast/Africa? LMAO! He has out-neoconned the neocons.Thud wrote:
I know you're trying to sound less than partisan, but I just have this sneaky suspicion you'd be a tad less somber if Romney and his neo-con Patriot Act'ors were elected.

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Thud, I know you were addressing SFM, but I feel compelled to say I was only slightly less pessimistic voting for Romney than I would have been had I voted for Obama. I seriously doubt Romney would have been able to do much to stop the problems that are coming. My prime motivation for voting for Romney was to try to put someone in the White House who was not so friendly to the Muslim Brotherhood and who would at least try to cut the spending and limit or reverse things like Obamacare, which I believe will worsen our already insane debt problems.
Not maybe the most well-thought out reasons, but, well, there you go. At least I can articulate why I think Romney would be a better choice than Obama even if those arguments are easily dismantled or a President Romney might not be very effective in handling the situations I mentioned. I think we, as a nation, are way too far out to sea to be 'fixed' but I had hoped Romney might have been able to hold things together for a little while longer and that, by some miracle, we as a nation might wake up a little, see the danger we're in - and possibly find a way to ween ourselves off the quantative easing teat and deal with the stealthy infiltration of Islam into our government and social fabric. I'm really a small "L" libertarian, but I was also realistic about that party's chances and what effect giving my vote to the Libetarians would produce.
In the end, I don't think it really matters at this point, except that I believe Obama's plans will hasten the inevitable misery people I respect on opposite ends of the political spectrum see coming. I think Tuesday was a clear message from America to the world we have no intention of cleaning up our economic mess and the door to the White House has been kicked wide-open to the Muslim Brotherhood. I also think we just gave Israel the finger as well. I know a lot of people here have a decidely unfavorable view of Israel, but I do not, and it has bothered me how Obama just can't be bothered to give much time to Benjamin Netanyahu. A lot pundits think it's alarmist claptrack to be very concerned about these things or they think you need to wear a tin-foil hat, but economies are failing all over the place in big and small ways and the Islamic world is emboldened and empowered like never before. These are troubling times, for me, at least and it bothers me that so many people around me don't see or don't want to see the threats that are very real and will be addressed sooner or later. That these issues are not politically convenient or are difficult for Steven Colbert or Jon Stewart to spin on Comedy Central has meant they have been minimized to the periphery or ignored by the voting populace. It's also frustrating to see people line up to make magic underwear jokes but refuse to truly stand up against the rise of tyrannies, soft and hard, because, I don't know, it's not 'cool and stuff.'
If/when America bottoms, there's not going to be really a way to course-correct, in my opinion, and the vast majority of my peers can't or won't see that. I think it's just a form of sticking one's head in the sand as most of them can't even handle losing power fo a few days or know how to change a flat tire. I'm not much better, but at least I acknowledge that disasters happen all the time (see last week with Hurrican Sandy) and the government is now primarily in the clean-up business and not in the loss-prevention business.
Not maybe the most well-thought out reasons, but, well, there you go. At least I can articulate why I think Romney would be a better choice than Obama even if those arguments are easily dismantled or a President Romney might not be very effective in handling the situations I mentioned. I think we, as a nation, are way too far out to sea to be 'fixed' but I had hoped Romney might have been able to hold things together for a little while longer and that, by some miracle, we as a nation might wake up a little, see the danger we're in - and possibly find a way to ween ourselves off the quantative easing teat and deal with the stealthy infiltration of Islam into our government and social fabric. I'm really a small "L" libertarian, but I was also realistic about that party's chances and what effect giving my vote to the Libetarians would produce.
In the end, I don't think it really matters at this point, except that I believe Obama's plans will hasten the inevitable misery people I respect on opposite ends of the political spectrum see coming. I think Tuesday was a clear message from America to the world we have no intention of cleaning up our economic mess and the door to the White House has been kicked wide-open to the Muslim Brotherhood. I also think we just gave Israel the finger as well. I know a lot of people here have a decidely unfavorable view of Israel, but I do not, and it has bothered me how Obama just can't be bothered to give much time to Benjamin Netanyahu. A lot pundits think it's alarmist claptrack to be very concerned about these things or they think you need to wear a tin-foil hat, but economies are failing all over the place in big and small ways and the Islamic world is emboldened and empowered like never before. These are troubling times, for me, at least and it bothers me that so many people around me don't see or don't want to see the threats that are very real and will be addressed sooner or later. That these issues are not politically convenient or are difficult for Steven Colbert or Jon Stewart to spin on Comedy Central has meant they have been minimized to the periphery or ignored by the voting populace. It's also frustrating to see people line up to make magic underwear jokes but refuse to truly stand up against the rise of tyrannies, soft and hard, because, I don't know, it's not 'cool and stuff.'
If/when America bottoms, there's not going to be really a way to course-correct, in my opinion, and the vast majority of my peers can't or won't see that. I think it's just a form of sticking one's head in the sand as most of them can't even handle losing power fo a few days or know how to change a flat tire. I'm not much better, but at least I acknowledge that disasters happen all the time (see last week with Hurrican Sandy) and the government is now primarily in the clean-up business and not in the loss-prevention business.
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Of course. And liberals are sad just how conservative Obama really is. That's why the outrage from the right, who were so mute and passive when the repugs were doing it, is so suspicious.Herv100 wrote:You realize that Obama has voted for the Patriot Act every time? And approved the NDAA(indefinite detention)? And several other warrantless wiretap, domestic drone use, and various Spy bills? Also has executed an American citizen without trial, has kept Guantanamo open, has a secret kill list carried out by the CIA, and has invaded several more countries in the Mideast/Africa? LMAO! He has out-neoconned the neocons.Thud wrote:
I know you're trying to sound less than partisan, but I just have this sneaky suspicion you'd be a tad less somber if Romney and his neo-con Patriot Act'ors were elected.

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*snorts, gags and cries bitter tears while contemplating what Obama has borrowed and how it will affect future Americans.Thud wrote:In recent history it's the Dems who've driven down the debt...
If you mean Clinton, you might want to also recall a couple of hated fellas named Newt and Trent had something to do with that driving down of the deficit (not the debt), and they had to rake old Billy over the coals until he decided that it was his idea to be more fiscally responsible. That's when he turned on the social progressive wing of the Dem party to enact reforms.
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