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A co workers granddaughter was shot. Supposedly she's going to be ok. I doubt that.

You guys need to sort this shit out. The 3 guns belonged, legally, to the perp's mother. A fucking assault rifle?? This is sheer madness.

You say you want guns to protect liberty. From the State? They'll always have more firepower. From bad people? Well they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. Giving them access to assault rifles is crackshit crazy.

And don't tell me that we should all grieve and ignore this issue. Bullshit. These kids will be grieves by their families for the next 50 years. The rest if you owe it to the dead children and the living children to ask why Americans have their unique fascination with guns, why these things happen an how theyight be prevented.

Wanting to make things better is the only rational response to what has happened so instead of demonising those starting this debate, reflect on it.

Gorby/NULL wrote:You guys need to sort this shit out. The 3 guns belonged, legally, to the perp's mother. A fucking assault rifle?? This is sheer madness.

You say you want guns to protect liberty. From the State? They'll always have more firepower. From bad people? Well they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. Giving them access to assault rifles is crackshit crazy.

And don't tell me that we should all grieve and ignore this issue. Bullshit. These kids will be grieves by their families for the next 50 years. The rest if you owe it to the dead children and the living children to ask why Americans have their unique fascination with guns, why these things happen an how theyight be prevented.

Wanting to make things better is the only rational response to what has happened so instead of demonising those starting this debate, reflect on it.

NULL wrote:Can we at least start talking about restricting guns? Is it so important for you to get guns that kids have to die?

Are you still pretending not to be NULL?

A fucking assault rifle?? This is sheer madness

Not that it matters because the kids are just as dead, but two pistols. .223 was left in the car. It isn't the tool it's the man using it. Some Chinese guy stabbed 22 kids yesterday as well. Largest mass murder in NYC pre-9/11 was committed with a plastic container of gasoline.

and worst school massacre to date was using explosives, sometime in the 1920s

Gorbachev wrote:You guys need to sort this shit out. The 3 guns belonged, legally, to the perp's mother. A fucking assault rifle?? This is sheer madness.

You say you want guns to protect liberty. From the State? They'll always have more firepower. From bad people? Well they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. Giving them access to assault rifles is crackshit crazy.

And don't tell me that we should all grieve and ignore this issue. Bullshit. These kids will be grieves by their families for the next 50 years. The rest if you owe it to the dead children and the living children to ask why Americans have their unique fascination with guns, why these things happen an how theyight be prevented.

Wanting to make things better is the only rational response to what has happened so instead of demonising those starting this debate, reflect on it.

You're a dumbass. Some evil fuck kills a bunch of people and the dumb asses want to take guns from those that didn't do it.Germany and Norway have all of the laws gun grabber say they want. Those laws didn't do squat to stop evil people from carrying out their plans to murder people. Evil people don't care about laws, rules or social norms.

Our fascination with guns is our fascination with being free. History has shown that the unarmed are easily slaughtered and that the first decrees of tyrants is disarming the population. Without arms you are nothing more than a slave.

Freedom comes with the definite chance that people will misuse those freedoms. The answer to these types of crimes is not less freedom, but responsibility and vigilance.

Why do these events always dissolve into a debate on GUN CONTROL when the real debate should be about MENTAL HEALTH CARE and a CULTURE that values life very little. Kids growing up today are bombarded with death imagery, skulls, zombies, videos of sick, demented, super-violent shit all over the internet. Their social interaction is completely stunted by "social media" where people are just words and expressions being posted on Facebook and Twitter as opposed to living, breathing, dreaming, feeling, thinking, tangible beings. Of course, it's hard for them to begin feeling any bond with human life when their own government sanctions all kinds of sick, sadistic shit in the name of "democracy". Is it any surprise, then, when these kids do some kind of sick, sadistic shit in the name of their own "worthwhile" cause?

Back in Serbia this kind of stuff never happens because (A) Society is rooted in Christian culture and, even if you're not a believer, the values and morals remain a part of accepted social behavior. (B) Kids are, by necessity, much more social. There's no mommy and daddy dropping their precious angels off at school every morning. You take the city bus, along with other kids, old people, workers, businesspeople, etc. You SEE human life in all its forms. You REALIZE these are people, just like yourself. You're not sheltered from other people's existence like in America. (C) Kids aren't lied to about their place in the world. Unlike in America where every child is a precious little gift from heaven that's one of a kind in the world, kids in Serbia are taught that you are what you contribute. If you want to be considered awesome at something then put in the work and do what it takes. No one is "special" just for being born. Serbian parents will rip into their kids' self-esteem and make them feel like total losers. It builds character, direction, and humility.

Here in America we live in a death cult where all that matters is money, celebrity, and bullying our way to what we want. It doesn't surprise me at all that kids here can be as sick and disturbed as the one who committed this tragedy. Take a step back and look at what's really causing all these problems, as opposed to gasping in appallment and knee-jerking over gun control.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah overgeneralization blah blah blah scapegoating blah blah blah religious quackery blah blah blah Facebook blah blah blah Serbia blah blah blah

What? You lost me at Serbia.

Gorbachev wrote:You guys need to sort this shit out. The 3 guns belonged, legally, to the perp's mother. A fucking assault rifle?? This is sheer madness.

You say you want guns to protect liberty. From the State? They'll always have more firepower. From bad people? Well they're going to shoot first and ask questions later. Giving them access to assault rifles is crackshit crazy.

And don't tell me that we should all grieve and ignore this issue. Bullshit. These kids will be grieves by their families for the next 50 years. The rest if you owe it to the dead children and the living children to ask why Americans have their unique fascination with guns, why these things happen an how theyight be prevented.

Wanting to make things better is the only rational response to what has happened so instead of demonising those starting this debate, reflect on it.

We sorted this shit out 200 years ago when we tossed your Elitist asses out of our country. Mind your own fucking business.

protobuilder wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:blah blah blah overgeneralization blah blah blah scapegoating blah blah blah religious quackery blah blah blah Facebook blah blah blah Serbia blah blah blah

What? You lost me at Serbia.

I guess you missed the news that those photos were staged in order to justify military action against Serbia. Those people are on the outside of that fence. Don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance, though. Keep on blindly blathering. It's the American way, right?

Kraj 2.0 wrote:I guess you missed the news that those photos were staged in order to justify military action against Serbia. Those people are on the outside of that fence. Don't let facts get in the way of your ignorance, though. Keep on blindly blathering. It's the American way, right?

Where did you read that? In the Serbian Times?

Rant is just deflecting because yet another fellow depression medication taker went on a psychotic killing spree

Mental health care: I would double down on agreeing with you on that. And: media circuses about this crap. The cat is out of the bag now, it's an idea that people have, but this kind of continued sensationalism doesn't do anybody any favors.

Herv100 wrote:Rant is just deflecting because yet another fellow depression medication taker went on a psychotic killing spree

Maybe leave the juvenility for another more suitable thread.

Gorbachev wrote:

Herv100 wrote:Rant is just deflecting because yet another fellow depression medication taker went on a psychotic killing spree

Maybe leave the juvenility for another more suitable thread.

Says the guy who's using this tragedy to score political points

tzg wrote:Mental health care: I would double down on agreeing with you on that. And: media circuses about this crap. The cat is out of the bag now, it's an idea that people have, but this kind of continued sensationalism doesn't do anybody any favors.

For the average person in this country mental health care is a pill and, perhaps, some kind of ineffective counseling. When my mother was batshit crazy, I contacted doctors, mental health agencies, senior agencies, and more. The results were ZERO and you would have thought that she was the first geezer that ever went nuts. The only constructive help I received was from IGx, specifically from SAR who opened the door to a simple solution (thanks again SAR). After that, the system was still very difficult to negotiate and 2nd rate at best.

It's not much different for mentally fucked up young people. If Wellbutrin and a handful of conversations with a semi-useless counselor don't do the trick, then you're fucked.

Kraj's culture comments are right on IMO. A significant % of our population are soulless empty shells.

But, it's much easier to right this terrible wrong with zero introspection and knee jerk legislation further restricting the freedoms of honorable law abiding citizens. Recall the Patriot Act and O's "enhancements", and last years vile Defense Authorization Act as recent examples.

Herv100 wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Herv100 wrote:Rant is just deflecting because yet another fellow depression medication taker went on a psychotic killing spree

Maybe leave the juvenility for another more suitable thread.

Says the guy who's using this tragedy to score political points

I'm sorry you feel tht way, Herv. Fact is, I cannot escape the compelling view that this was an avoidable massacre of children. I have a vastly different perspective on guns, not being based in the US and I cannot fathom the "culture" (or prevailing bullshit). "Political"? With a small "p" perhaps.

Generally speaking, it's best to avoid name-calling and such, but I find it particularly distasteful when people are speaking out of anger and sadness about something so fucking awful. This site contains more objectionable stuff than ever, but even my abysmally low expectations for the level of discourse on the site are not being met.

Gorbachev wrote:

Herv100 wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:

Herv100 wrote:Rant is just deflecting because yet another fellow depression medication taker went on a psychotic killing spree

Maybe leave the juvenility for another more suitable thread.

Says the guy who's using this tragedy to score political points

I'm sorry you feel tht way, Herv. Fact is, I cannot escape the compelling view that this was an avoidable massacre of children. I have a vastly different perspective on guns, not being based in the US and I cannot fathom the "culture" (or prevailing bullshit). "Political"? With a small "p" perhaps.

Generally speaking, it's best to avoid name-calling and such, but I find it particularly distasteful when people are speaking out of anger and sadness about something so fucking awful. This site contains more objectionable stuff than ever, but even my abysmally low expectations for the level of discourse on the site are not being met.

Time to report us to the FBI again?

Gorbachev wrote:Fact is, I cannot escape the compelling view that this was an avoidable massacre of children. I have a vastly different perspective on guns, not being based in the US and I cannot fathom the "culture" (or prevailing bullshit). "Political"? With a small "p" perhaps.

Generally speaking, it's best to avoid name-calling and such, but I find it particularly distasteful when people are speaking out of anger and sadness about something so fucking awful. This site contains more objectionable stuff than ever, but even my abysmally low expectations for the level of discourse on the site are not being met.

If you want good discussion try to understand the other party's point of view, Gorby. You don't have to approve of the other party's point of view, just make a reasonable effort to do so. So far it seems that you're too busy talking to listen and hence are being treated accordingly.

syaigh wrote:I hope all your babies are safe.


(If shortstraw were still here, she'd have had a story about how she was there.)

LOL. If short straw was here (and she's probabably lurking, being recently released from jail), she'd have a story about how she treated the victims with her "nurse training".

Fuck this noise..Gorbs is trolling,

If he gave two flying fux about the tragedy in the first place or changing anyone's mind on the issue of firearms he wouldn't be wasting pixels here. Political debates now are going to be about as illuminating at the ones after 911...and we see how brilliantly that turned out.

I'm with Nappy, Syaigh and others, don't let another hour go by without hugging your little ones.

^^^
yep

Blaidd Drwg wrote:....If he gave two flying fux about the tragedy in the first place...

Nice.

The UK changed its laws on assault weapons and hand guns. As did Australia. As did Finland. All following massacres like this. It's logical that this issue would arise and that people would comment on it. If you can't entertain the idea without that kind of response you're really proving the point I make that there is something approaching unthinking religious fervour and dogma about this issue in the US. I hope it gets sorted out but I doubt it will. Even now.

Ding, ding, ding! The answer is: everyone has a gun or nobody has a gun. The good guys and the bad guys have to be equally armed for it to be a fair fight. But guess what? The bad guys can get guns that the good guys can't get, and we set up hunting zones for the bad guys where we don't let good guys carry weapons. It's like the god damned Hunger Games.

Screaming Flying Monkey wrote:Ding, ding, ding! The answer is: everyone has a gun or nobody has a gun. The good guys and the bad guys have to be equally armed for it to be a fair fight. But guess what? The bad guys can get guns that the good guys can't get, and we set up hunting zones for the bad guys where we don't let good guys carry weapons. It's like the god damned Hunger Games.

That is partially true. Local laws don't do shit or Chicago would be safer, because there aren't checkpoints between jurisdictions. Federal laws work if you go strict enough, but that means Australia-style confiscation, destruction and future restriction. Anything less than that just makes it a pain in the ass for law abiding people. Calls to renew the AWB are retarded. Columbine happened 4 or 5 years into that. Banning CCW holders from bringing a gun into a school are even worse.

Saying it's politicizing a tragedy to talk about prevention in the aftermath is NRA poppycock. Every great tragedy has that discussion.

CT is an horrifying example, but this is not a new problem. The media is acting like it's 9/11 and people everywhere are losing their shit. Gun ownership is down. Murders are down. The folks taking a power-shit all over Facebook/Twitter/etc. need to turn off the TV and get a fucking grip.