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Batboy2/75 wrote:I'll kick things off.

The much maligned AR-15 or M-16 is more than enough rifle. Almost every issue with the AR-15/M-16 can be traced back to DOD incompetence. When the M-16 was first sent to Veitnem it was sent to SF advisors. They demanded the rifle be put into production imediately and issued to troops. When the M-16 when field tested with a 55 gr bullet it delivered devestating wounds. Wounds so devestating, the pictures were classified as Top secret well into the 1970s and the International Red Cross wanted the M193 round banned from warfare as inhumane.

The M-16 was designed from the ground up to use a very clean and fast burning gun powder. the military decided to use dirty ball ammo instead.
The DOD fielded the M-16 with a non Chrome lined Barrel, despite the fact the M-16 field tested in Veitnam had chrome lined barrels.
The Military did not issue cleaning kits with the M16 and even told troops (incorrectly) that the M16 was self cleaning.

The combination of stupidity resulted in the M-16 becoming a jam o matic. The powder fouled the weapon. The fouling combined with a non-chrome lined barrel resulted in stuck spent cartidges. All made worse because no one was cleaning their weapons.

I believe proper spelling should be a requirement for the right to vote.

Interesting that about counting the rounds that go thru the barrel.All I`ve ever been told is the old:change barrels every 250 rounds,or the barrel will overheat.This is here in Sweden and with the trusty ksp 58 (M240).I`ll ask about that next exercise.

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:I'll kick things off.

The much maligned AR-15 or M-16 is more than enough rifle. Almost every issue with the AR-15/M-16 can be traced back to DOD incompetence. When the M-16 was first sent to Veitnem it was sent to SF advisors. They demanded the rifle be put into production imediately and issued to troops. When the M-16 when field tested with a 55 gr bullet it delivered devestating wounds. Wounds so devestating, the pictures were classified as Top secret well into the 1970s and the International Red Cross wanted the M193 round banned from warfare as inhumane.

The M-16 was designed from the ground up to use a very clean and fast burning gun powder. the military decided to use dirty ball ammo instead.
The DOD fielded the M-16 with a non Chrome lined Barrel, despite the fact the M-16 field tested in Veitnam had chrome lined barrels.
The Military did not issue cleaning kits with the M16 and even told troops (incorrectly) that the M16 was self cleaning.

The combination of stupidity resulted in the M-16 becoming a jam o matic. The powder fouled the weapon. The fouling combined with a non-chrome lined barrel resulted in stuck spent cartidges. All made worse because no one was cleaning their weapons.

I believe proper spelling should be a requirement for the right to vote.

I believe that you neeed to contribute, get the fuck out or shut the fuck up.

Bobby wrote:Interesting that about counting the rounds that go thru the barrel.All I`ve ever been told is the old:change barrels every 250 rounds,or the barrel will overheat.This is here in Sweden and with the trusty ksp 58 (M240).I`ll ask about that next exercise.

Barrels have a defined life. Counting the total rounds that go through it is just a preventative measure to make sure your DX the barrel before it is shot out.

I've fired the M-16/M-4 in the woods of Quantico, in the jungle of Okinawa, and in the desert of Iraq. It never malfunctioned.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:I'll kick things off.

The much maligned AR-15 or M-16 is more than enough rifle. Almost every issue with the AR-15/M-16 can be traced back to DOD incompetence. When the M-16 was first sent to Veitnem it was sent to SF advisors. They demanded the rifle be put into production imediately and issued to troops. When the M-16 when field tested with a 55 gr bullet it delivered devestating wounds. Wounds so devestating, the pictures were classified as Top secret well into the 1970s and the International Red Cross wanted the M193 round banned from warfare as inhumane.

The M-16 was designed from the ground up to use a very clean and fast burning gun powder. the military decided to use dirty ball ammo instead.
The DOD fielded the M-16 with a non Chrome lined Barrel, despite the fact the M-16 field tested in Veitnam had chrome lined barrels.
The Military did not issue cleaning kits with the M16 and even told troops (incorrectly) that the M16 was self cleaning.

The combination of stupidity resulted in the M-16 becoming a jam o matic. The powder fouled the weapon. The fouling combined with a non-chrome lined barrel resulted in stuck spent cartidges. All made worse because no one was cleaning their weapons.

I believe proper spelling should be a requirement for the right to vote.

I believe that you neeed to contribute, get the fuck out or shut the fuck up.

I believe people with anger management issues should not be allowed to vote either.

That organic weapon cleaning stuff didn't work for shit.

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:I'll kick things off.

The much maligned AR-15 or M-16 is more than enough rifle. Almost every issue with the AR-15/M-16 can be traced back to DOD incompetence. When the M-16 was first sent to Veitnem it was sent to SF advisors. They demanded the rifle be put into production imediately and issued to troops. When the M-16 when field tested with a 55 gr bullet it delivered devestating wounds. Wounds so devestating, the pictures were classified as Top secret well into the 1970s and the International Red Cross wanted the M193 round banned from warfare as inhumane.

The M-16 was designed from the ground up to use a very clean and fast burning gun powder. the military decided to use dirty ball ammo instead.
The DOD fielded the M-16 with a non Chrome lined Barrel, despite the fact the M-16 field tested in Veitnam had chrome lined barrels.
The Military did not issue cleaning kits with the M16 and even told troops (incorrectly) that the M16 was self cleaning.

The combination of stupidity resulted in the M-16 becoming a jam o matic. The powder fouled the weapon. The fouling combined with a non-chrome lined barrel resulted in stuck spent cartidges. All made worse because no one was cleaning their weapons.

I believe proper spelling should be a requirement for the right to vote.

I believe that you neeed to contribute, get the fuck out or shut the fuck up.

I believe people with anger management issues should not be allowed to vote either.

That organic weapon cleaning stuff didn't work for shit.

Try Corrossion X. Very good for cleaning and rust prention. However, use something else for lubrication.

I have used everything from CLP to Diesel oil for gun lubrication.

double post

I love the AR-15 (shot competitively with it), and admit it's tough to beat in terms of weight and accuracy to ~600 yards.

On the other hand, AR-10 variants firing a .308 cartridge are also fine weapons; my dad has one specifically for slaying feral hogs, and it's comparable to my AR in accuracy. Greater effective range and improved stopping power comes at the price of a leaner ammo capacity and increased cost, but I'll admit that I'm tempted to purchase one when I get more spending money.

I also saw that someone mentioned discounted Russian ammo (the kind sold on Cheaper than Dirt) - let me double down on that by saying that it sucks balls. My dad purchased a bunch of that shit (steel cases), and malfunctions ensued. I'd rather shoot my crazy uncle's hot rounds than that commie crap.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, if you have the standard M-16 handguard, do not use your sling for stabilization. You are fucking with the point of aim. I don't care what your Drill Sgt said; he's a dumbass. I don't care that you shot expert; you got lucky. When taking a shot over 100 meters, grip the magazine well when shooting off hand and use the magazine a a monopod when in the prone.

That's what I was taught (grab the mag well but never the mag, this was before everyone SOFMODDED their shit with foregrip handles and when lasers and even aim points were for fags with too much money. "Iron's don;t run out of batteries and are not knocked off zero so easily, Mate.";-) ) and I was never allowed slings with the guys who trained me any ways. Sling were for going up trees and shit so God made 550 cord. I was told your rifle goes in your hands when your in the woods. None of my guns have them, just some 550 wrapped and secured around the stock.

I know that's not the current trend with the 3 points and all, even seen a pick of an SAS trooper with one, Heresy! I can see the thinking as they sit to the front and you don't have to drop your main gun when going for a sidearm but I have not been trained that way so until someone does I'll keep to what I was taught. (That and Trooper showed me how that sling and gun can get you jerked into a wall, if shit got close and he was adamant that inside, shit often gets in your face.)

Jesus! My formal training was 21 fucking years ago!

Texas Red wrote:
I also saw that someone mentioned discounted Russian ammo (the kind sold on Cheaper than Dirt) - let me double down on that by saying that it sucks balls. My dad purchased a bunch of that shit (steel cases), and malfunctions ensued. I'd rather shoot my crazy uncle's hot rounds than that commie crap.

I bought a bunch of Wolf ammo for my 1911 and it was fucking horrible all the way around. The only thing I could do with the shit was use it for close contact training because it was super inconsistent.

I mean with decent USA target ammo I can easily put all my rounds in the silhouette’s face at 21 feet but that Wolf shit made me shoot like an Imperial Stormtrooper, 2 rounds out of 8 hit the head and the rest were all over the fucking place and going for centre mass was not much better. They have to be sendiung us their shit and laughing about it, kind of like Chinks and NORINCO SKS and AK's.

Not to mention my gun was dirtier than an African whore afterwards and it was like cleaning gum out of my weapon.

Complete waste of money and a half waste of valuable range time, so I shot all 500 rounds that day, 450 of them at contact range to 10 feet, all it was fucking good for.

DARTH wrote: I bought a bunch of Wolf ammo for my 1911 and it was fucking horrible all the way around.

Steel-cased ammo is also rumored to be very hard on the 1911's extractor.

Texas Red wrote:I love the AR-15 (shot competitively with it), and admit it's tough to beat in terms of weight and accuracy to ~600 yards.

On the other hand, AR-10 variants firing a .308 cartridge are also fine weapons; my dad has one specifically for slaying feral hogs, and it's comparable to my AR in accuracy. Greater effective range and improved stopping power comes at the price of a leaner ammo capacity and increased cost, but I'll admit that I'm tempted to purchase one when I get more spending money.

I also saw that someone mentioned discounted Russian ammo (the kind sold on Cheaper than Dirt) - let me double down on that by saying that it sucks balls. My dad purchased a bunch of that shit (steel cases), and malfunctions ensued. I'd rather shoot my crazy uncle's hot rounds than that commie crap.

For practice ammo steel cased is fine in the right weapon. It's what I use for practice ammo in my Sig 556R, AK47s, and my SKS. The bimetal bullets are not an issue with .30 caliber rounds. Just go into it eyes wide open.

I even reload stell cases; even though the experts tell you can not or should not be done.

So, build or buy?

Pinky wrote:So, build or buy?

Actaully there are three choices. Plus with an AR15 you are basically assembling, not building.

1) Assemble your lower receiver (very easy to do with minimal tools) and buy an upper receiver of your choice
2) Assemble both your lower and upper receiver as your your wants, needs, and desire (Some specilized tools and knowledge for assembling an upper; paticularly the barrel group)
3) Buy a complete rifle

Buying a quality AR is going to be cheaper than assembling an AR. Yes, you can assemble a cheap AR. However, it will be assembled with cheap components.

Good middle of the road AR15s

Colt: excellent AR15s, great customer service and warranty. You'll pay a bit of a premium for the pony logo, but resell is the best out of all the AR15s.

S&W: excellent AR15s. However, don't buy the sport model. Excellent customer service and warranty.

Ruger: great warranty and biggest gun manufacture in the USA; they make excellent eapons and will be around to service your rifle etc. Only cons is they use a Ruger designed psiton gas system. This makes their rifles front heavy.

Palmetto State Armory (FN): The biggest bang for the buck is Palmetto state armory if your want to assemble a a quality AR15. Almost all of their AR15 receivers and parts are made by FN in the same state. Excellent true milspec parts and their barrels are hammer forged.

Avoid Bushmaster, Remington, DPMS, Rock river unless you're willing to do some DIY turd polishing.

Unless you have money to burn, compete for money or the government is buying your rifle, there is no need to buy a top teir expense AR15.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Pinky wrote:So, build or buy?

Palmetto State Armory (FN): The biggest bang for the buck is Palmetto state armory if your want to assemble a a quality AR15. Almost all of their AR15 receivers and parts are made by FN in the same state. Excellent true milspec parts and their barrels are hammer forged.

I just bought a sale-price PSA blemished complete lower on the advice of a friend. You have to work to see the finish flaw. I'm a noob as far as AR-15s are concerned, but my friend pronounced it fine. It was certainly priced attractively compared to assembling one from parts. Will probably be patient and try for a similar deal on an assembled upper from them next year.

Schlegel wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Pinky wrote:So, build or buy?

Palmetto State Armory (FN): The biggest bang for the buck is Palmetto state armory if your want to assemble a a quality AR15. Almost all of their AR15 receivers and parts are made by FN in the same state. Excellent true milspec parts and their barrels are hammer forged.

I just bought a sale-price PSA blemished complete lower on the advice of a friend. You have to work to see the finish flaw. I'm a noob as far as AR-15s are concerned, but my friend pronounced it fine. It was certainly priced attractively compared to assembling one from parts. Will probably be patient and try for a similar deal on an assembled upper from them next year.

Check their site daily; Palmetto runs a lot of deals and sell out fast. Their AR15 parts are top notch. Just make sure your read the item descriptions. Sometime they run deals with good, but second teir parts. YOu what a chrome lined and hammer forged barrel and you want their top of the line bolt carrier group. All made by FN and as good as AR15s get. On par with expensive ARS and Colts. Buy with confidence.

Fuck your fancy guns. My 60 year old lever 30-30 will get any job I need done, done. You and your penile substitutes. Pussies

SAR wrote:Fuck your fancy guns. My 60 year old lever 30-30 will get any job I need done, done. You and your penile substitutes. Pussies

Jealousy (penis envy) is a terrible thing to witness.

Fuck your fancy guns. My 60 year old lever 30-30 will get any job I need done, done. You and your penile substitutes. Pussies

Lever .357. Long Gun and Side Arm use the same ammo. Apocalypse friendly. .38/.357

I have lever 357, 45-70,30-30, 32 win and 22. I like lever rifles.

Batboy2/75 wrote: Jealousy (penis envy) is a terrible thing to witness.

Yeah....go polish your black rifles :-)

M4 in 6.8 mm Remington SPC.

SAR wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote: Jealousy (penis envy) is a terrible thing to witness.

Yeah....go polish your black rifles :-)

All my ARs are Colt Grey!

My favorite rifle has to be the FN-FAL Para version. And then the M1A1 Super Match.
Big fan of 7.62, and it can be found almost anywhere in an emergency.