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Changing topic just a bit is the difference between pre ACA and now. Prior to the ACA no insurance company in the world would have sold him health insurance with this as a preexisting condition. Now my understanding is that under the ACA some insurance company is going to "have to" pick up millions and millions in current and future bills for him. In the end guess who is going to pay? Of course in the past "someone" would have written off these bills for the most part - but in the final analysis - it always comes down to "us". An interesting side tidbit of this and the ACA.

climber511 wrote:Changing topic just a bit is the difference between pre ACA and now. Prior to the ACA no insurance company in the world would have sold him health insurance with this as a preexisting condition. Now my understanding is that under the ACA some insurance company is going to "have to" pick up millions and millions in current and future bills for him. In the end guess who is going to pay? Of course in the past "someone" would have written off these bills for the most part - but in the final analysis - it always comes down to "us". An interesting side tidbit of this and the ACA.

A terrifying side bit if you run it to its logical conclusion.

IWA
COMPETITION PLATFORM
3.2.1 All lifts must be executed on the competition platform.
3.2.2 The platform must be square, level and measuring four (4) metres on each
side. When the floor surrounding the platform has similar or same colouring,
the top edge of the platform must have a different coloured line of at least 150
mm.
3.2.3 The platform may be made of wood, plastic or any solid material and may be
covered with a non-slippery material.
3.2.4 A clear area measuring one (1) metre surrounding the platform is compulsory.
This area must be flat and free from any obstacle including discs.
3.2.5 The height of the platform must be between 50 and 150 mm.
3.2.6 If the platform is above ground level, a restraining bar at least the width of the
platform must be suitably and safely fixed to the stage, at least one (1) metre
in front of the platform.

Read 3.2.4 - so an area of 4 meters square with an additional 1 meter all around of free space is considered necessary for the Olympic lifts - so a 6 meter square space. Probably gonna hear more about this point down the road I imagine. That's 19.68' for the metric challenged.

Story made Drudge-- it's national news now.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/01/14/c ... mpetition/

Why he didn't sign up for Obamacare when he's uninsured and competing in these events is beyond me. Hopefully people will learn from his experience.

Yet, Crossfit is its own sport with its own rules and, complete lack of standards.

Putting a face to the name makes it worse, to me. His life is forever changed and he looks like a guy who knows his way around the weights. He doesn't look like some clueless goofball who got in too deep. Freak accident, then. Sucks.

climber511 wrote:Changing topic just a bit is the difference between pre ACA and now. Prior to the ACA no insurance company in the world would have sold him health insurance with this as a preexisting condition. Now my understanding is that under the ACA some insurance company is going to "have to" pick up millions and millions in current and future bills for him. In the end guess who is going to pay? Of course in the past "someone" would have written off these bills for the most part - but in the final analysis - it always comes down to "us". An interesting side tidbit of this and the ACA.

This is incorrect, since the policies are carried by corporations, not the government. Besides, adding millions of uninsured, many of them young and healthy, will overwhelm the cost of much fewer high-risk individuals. These are insurance companies, and they will make sure of that.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

climber511 wrote:Changing topic just a bit is the difference between pre ACA and now. Prior to the ACA no insurance company in the world would have sold him health insurance with this as a preexisting condition. Now my understanding is that under the ACA some insurance company is going to "have to" pick up millions and millions in current and future bills for him. In the end guess who is going to pay? Of course in the past "someone" would have written off these bills for the most part - but in the final analysis - it always comes down to "us". An interesting side tidbit of this and the ACA.

This is incorrect, since the policies are carried by corporations, not the government. Besides, adding millions of uninsured, many of them young and healthy, will overwhelm the cost of much fewer high-risk individuals. These are insurance companies, and they will make sure of that.

I don't mean us as taxpayers but us as people paying insurance premiums. I have to wonder how things will all play out with premiums under ACA and things like this. Companies will pick up young healthy uninsureds but also people who have been unable to buy insurance due to extremely costly instances like this one. Not saying either scenario is right or wrong but in the end I think the public will pay higher premiums - I could be wrong and hope I am.

I have a former cycling teammate who crashed in a weekly training race we refer to as the Thursday Night World Championships...He shattered his face, needed eye surgery, a reconstructed orbit, wired jaw, skin graft. Insurance Co denies him coverage because they deemed it a semi-professional contest Prize for winning the series is about $100 bux and a box of powerbars.

He was ranked as Category 2 at the time and had a fulltime job in civil engineering. Took him many thousands of dollars to get the Ins. Co to settle out and pay part of his bills. This is the exact scenario that we will see expanding regardless of ACA.

Remember kids. if you get hurt competing.. take a taxi home and call the ambulance from your backyard and claim it was a gardening accident.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

climber511 wrote:Changing topic just a bit is the difference between pre ACA and now. Prior to the ACA no insurance company in the world would have sold him health insurance with this as a preexisting condition. Now my understanding is that under the ACA some insurance company is going to "have to" pick up millions and millions in current and future bills for him. In the end guess who is going to pay? Of course in the past "someone" would have written off these bills for the most part - but in the final analysis - it always comes down to "us". An interesting side tidbit of this and the ACA.

This is incorrect, since the policies are carried by corporations, not the government. Besides, adding millions of uninsured, many of them young and healthy, will overwhelm the cost of much fewer high-risk individuals. These are insurance companies, and they will make sure of that.

First and foremost, this thread shouldn't be about Obamacare/PPACA.

And what may happen is that in addition to the exchanges being places where mainly high risk people buy insurance, or that businesses move their high risk employees onto the exchanges. Both will raise rates, and raise the amount of subsidy the government has to provide. Moreover, any losses the insurance companies take over the next few years will have to be covered by the government.

We're already seeing that the incentives for the young and health to buy insurance are not enough for them to buy it yet. Without some serious cost control action, or fairly massive penalties-- this is unlikely to change, especially in this job market.

Please move future discussions here: http://irongarmx.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... 43#p769743

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Remember kids. if you get hurt competing.. take a taxi home and call the ambulance from your backyard and claim it was a gardening accident.

If you're going to do that, you could have the taxi drop you off at work and file a worker's comp claim.

Pinky wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Remember kids. if you get hurt competing.. take a taxi home and call the ambulance from your backyard and claim it was a gardening accident.

If you're going to do that, you could have the taxi drop you off at work and file a worker's comp claim.

In for a penny in for a pound I guess.

In the military sometimes scandal is tied to "command climate" which I would describe as the environment fostered within a unit based upon actions taken by the Commanding Officer (or someone else in a leadership role).

I would hypothesize that the climate fostered by the leadership contributed to the situation.

-Stan

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Pinky wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Remember kids. if you get hurt competing.. take a taxi home and call the ambulance from your backyard and claim it was a gardening accident.

If you're going to do that, you could have the taxi drop you off at work and file a worker's comp claim.

In for a penny in for a pound I guess.

You motherfuckers are brilliant.

stanley_white wrote:In the military sometimes scandal is tied to "command climate" which I would describe as the environment fostered within a unit based upon actions taken by the Commanding Officer (or someone else in a leadership role).

I would hypothesize that the climate fostered by the leadership contributed to the situation.

-Stan

Yep!

baffled wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

baffled wrote:I wish I hadn't clicked either link.

I won't. How close were the plates to the lifting area?

Looked like he was maybe 2 feet from the back of a mat serving as the lifting area, with the plates within a few inches of the mat. Not enough space to dump, but he didn't dump the bar.

It looks like he just sort of let the bar go and it came down on him.

Pretty easy to do after doing a bunch of metcon circuit stuff and then doing 2RM Oly lifts.

Surprised we have not seen more of this although we have tons of clips and picks of CF dunbfucitree, like the one with the chick trying to show off doing a clean with heels on.

Pinky wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Remember kids. if you get hurt competing.. take a taxi home and call the ambulance from your backyard and claim it was a gardening accident.

If you're going to do that, you could have the taxi drop you off at work and file a worker's comp claim.

True story. I once dropped a 12 foot 10 by 2 on my head while building a raised bed garden. Got six stitches and a concussion.

http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/how- ... kevin-ogar

Is this guy one of us?

He makes a lot of the points many of us have.

DARTH wrote:http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/how- ... kevin-ogar

Is this guy one of us?

He makes a lot of the points many of us have.

The guy is a CF Masters competitor who is trying to bring transparency and common sense to the organization. Although I don't always agree with him, he usually calls a spade a spade. I'm just surprised that they have yet to release the Russells to glassassinate him. He must know where some of the bones are buried.

Cave Canem wrote:

DARTH wrote:http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/how- ... kevin-ogar

Is this guy one of us?

He makes a lot of the points many of us have.

The guy is a CF Masters competitor who is trying to bring transparency and common sense to the organization. Although I don't always agree with him, he usually calls a spade a spade. I'm just surprised that they have yet to release the Russells to glassassinate him. He must know where some of the bones are buried.

He's got a stripe of serious hoorah bullshit bravado that I find pungent and awful...like that Typkin shitstain...but overall, he's rarely wrong about shit, just that he remains a true believer at heart. Never worth listening to the true believers of any stripe.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Cave Canem wrote:

DARTH wrote:http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/how- ... kevin-ogar

Is this guy one of us?

He makes a lot of the points many of us have.

The guy is a CF Masters competitor who is trying to bring transparency and common sense to the organization. Although I don't always agree with him, he usually calls a spade a spade. I'm just surprised that they have yet to release the Russells to glassassinate him. He must know where some of the bones are buried.

He's got a stripe of serious hoorah bullshit bravado that I find pungent and awful...like that Typkin shitstain...but overall, he's rarely wrong about shit, just that he remains a true believer at heart. Never worth listening to the true believers of any stripe.

Common sense will never take hold, in the @Fit community at-large.

For a brief comedic picture break

Now that we have had our group hug:


Any updates on Lisa Lugo?

Douche bags in love, the best soap opera on the net.

DARTH wrote:http://breakingmuscle.com/crossfit/how- ... kevin-ogar

Is this guy one of us?

He makes a lot of the points many of us have.

I don't know, but the buffet tamer was one of the first to comment...

After seeing the video the 2 questions are, what the fuck are the plates doing so close to the mats? and secondly, why is he so far back to the end of the mat?

I feel bad for the guy.