Making po po less militirized

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:55 pm

I'm not sure where some of you get your Tea Party information. The movement centered around concern for the growing national debt*, and attracted a combo of libertarians and fiscal conservatives. Given their libertarian influences, Tea Party sympathizers (including me) care more about civil liberties than Joe Sixpack or that former Constitutional Law lecturer from the U. of Chicago.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

Ericc · Post by **Ericc** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Batboy2/75 wrote:In no particular order

De-unionize LEO.
Decommission most of the LEO SWAT units. Most are a solution looking for problem. That is how SWAT units ended up serving warrants for a couple ounces of pot etc.
Each Sate establish a LEO version of the UCMJ. Being an LEO entails a lot of power- place officers under a legal system like the UCMJ.
Raise standards for across the board; fire those that get off on abusing power (see UCMJ for LEO), the corrupt and the lazy fat fucks.
End the war on drugs; legalize pot entirely and legalize possession of the rest.
Stop aping the military. Actually every reference to the military- ranks, tactics etc should be stripped from everyday LEO terminology
Return to community policing, where officers are part of the community.
End no knock warrants and civil forfeiture laws
Crush the LEO vs everyone else culture. Hound, fire and imprison the dumb asses that believe they are above the law and entitle to special rights.

This is uncommon common sense and should be mandatory reading and readily implemented. It's a shame it won't be.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:27 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Cops acting/arming/dressing like shitty soldiers seems to be one of those issues that pisses off Republicans and Democrats alike. It seems like an easy area to get consensus on to do something about. Is there a reason politicians aren't speaking up?

They are speaking with their votes-- federal funds are paying for the militarization.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:50 pm

tea party believes in

-racism towards blacks and Hispanics
-repression of religion unlike their own
-not giving a nigga a hand out but feeling free to take one themselves
-a magic buddy in the sky who has your back despite ignoring the teachings of the faith as put down in their holy book
-worrying about what consenting adults do in their bedrooms
-worrying about what you put in your body
-continuing the system of graft and corruption as long as they get get their share

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:30 am

Ericc wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:In no particular order

De-unionize LEO.
Decommission most of the LEO SWAT units. Most are a solution looking for problem. That is how SWAT units ended up serving warrants for a couple ounces of pot etc.
Each Sate establish a LEO version of the UCMJ. Being an LEO entails a lot of power- place officers under a legal system like the UCMJ.
Raise standards for across the board; fire those that get off on abusing power (see UCMJ for LEO), the corrupt and the lazy fat fucks.
End the war on drugs; legalize pot entirely and legalize possession of the rest.
Stop aping the military. Actually every reference to the military- ranks, tactics etc should be stripped from everyday LEO terminology
Return to community policing, where officers are part of the community.
End no knock warrants and civil forfeiture laws
Crush the LEO vs everyone else culture. Hound, fire and imprison the dumb asses that believe they are above the law and entitle to special rights.
This is uncommon common sense and should be mandatory reading and readily implemented. It's a shame it won't be.

Yup, Bats knocked it out of the park with that post.

Shapecharge · Post by **Shapecharge** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:14 am

Surprisingly this evening's network news on NBC displayed some video from Ferguson that was not flattering to law enforcement...particularly the SWAT sniper on top of an armored vehicle, scoping the crowd that was peacefully milling about. I shit you not. I don't want to talk to much shit here but I can assure you I would have been arrested if I was there and saw that motherfucker pointing a high-powered sniper rifle at the crowd scoping out targets FOR NO FUCKING REASON. I would have went ape-shit. I hope the people in Ferguson can maintain a strong but lawful protest that will spill over and make people think about what is wrong with the militarization of law enforcement.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:16 am

Shit, yeah I saw that...fuck that asshole

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:34 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Ericc wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:In no particular order

De-unionize LEO.
Decommission most of the LEO SWAT units. Most are a solution looking for problem. That is how SWAT units ended up serving warrants for a couple ounces of pot etc.
Each Sate establish a LEO version of the UCMJ. Being an LEO entails a lot of power- place officers under a legal system like the UCMJ.
Raise standards for across the board; fire those that get off on abusing power (see UCMJ for LEO), the corrupt and the lazy fat fucks.
End the war on drugs; legalize pot entirely and legalize possession of the rest.
Stop aping the military. Actually every reference to the military- ranks, tactics etc should be stripped from everyday LEO terminology
Return to community policing, where officers are part of the community.
End no knock warrants and civil forfeiture laws
Crush the LEO vs everyone else culture. Hound, fire and imprison the dumb asses that believe they are above the law and entitle to special rights.
This is uncommon common sense and should be mandatory reading and readily implemented. It's a shame it won't be.
Yup, Bats knocked it out of the park with that post.

Also, add regular height/weight/bodyfat and physical fitness testing-- this is one area where they should ape the military.

WildGorillaMan · Post by **WildGorillaMan** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:36 am

Is this a turning poing for the USA to pull back from the brink, or does it have to get much, much worse first?

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:38 am

WildGorillaMan wrote:Is this a turning poing for the USA to pull back from the brink, or does it have to get much, much worse first?

It's an election year, nobody running for (re)election going to promise to turn off the spigot. So no.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:50 am

Majority white voters love to see rioters being put down

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:32 am

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Majority white voters love to see rioters being put down

I'd love to see these fuckers put down.

But, from what Ferguson riot news I've seen, no serious injuries to protesters/rioters. Sounds like police restraint to me.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:56 am

Remember this when the boys and girls in blue demand a pay raise etc. Most will retire with full health benefits and the public will end up picking up the tab for these fat fucks.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/fbi- ... verweight/

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:04 am

Forget the black rifles, Remington 870's with wood stocks and blued barrels.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:07 am

Batboy2/75 wrote:Remember this when the boys and girls in blue demand a pay raise etc. Most will retire with full health benefits and the public will end up picking up the tab for these fat fucks.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/fbi- ... verweight/

It's worse with firemen. There's a waiting list years long to get a fireman's gig around here, yet pay/benefits skyrocket. It's insane.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:09 am

A side note.

If the USA (and particularly white America) has to come to grips with the fascists police state we have become. Then Black America and their Liberal enablers need to come to terms with the violence and social destruction caused of black America. The image of the violent black didn't spring out of the minds of racists. Blacks are disproportionately responsible for a majority of crime in the USA and most of the social ills. Why? Because they are by and large treated as perpetual victims and wards of the state.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:13 am

WildGorillaMan wrote:Is this a turning poing for the USA to pull back from the brink, or does it have to get much, much worse first?

When I read reports of journalists being roughed up, I thought that something could come from it but it's not going to happen yet. People will need an organized, peaceful, legal protest to succeed. Rioters roving the streets sacking small business, throwing molotov cocktails and screaming that they are going to kill the po-lice isn't going to garner widespread support. If anything, they are making a case for why cops sometimes act the way that they do.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:14 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:Remember this when the boys and girls in blue demand a pay raise etc. Most will retire with full health benefits and the public will end up picking up the tab for these fat fucks.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/fbi- ... verweight/
It's worse with firemen. There's a waiting list years long to get a fireman's gig around here, yet pay/benefits skyrocket. It's insane.

Want to have some fun? Go on any forum that swings from the nuts of LEO and fire fighters and share that bit of wisdom. I've been banned from a number of forums for sharing your point.

seeahill · Post by **seeahill** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:41 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Ericc wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:In no particular order

De-unionize LEO.
Decommission most of the LEO SWAT units. Most are a solution looking for problem. That is how SWAT units ended up serving warrants for a couple ounces of pot etc.
Each Sate establish a LEO version of the UCMJ. Being an LEO entails a lot of power- place officers under a legal system like the UCMJ.
Raise standards for across the board; fire those that get off on abusing power (see UCMJ for LEO), the corrupt and the lazy fat fucks.
End the war on drugs; legalize pot entirely and legalize possession of the rest.
Stop aping the military. Actually every reference to the military- ranks, tactics etc should be stripped from everyday LEO terminology
Return to community policing, where officers are part of the community.
End no knock warrants and civil forfeiture laws
Crush the LEO vs everyone else culture. Hound, fire and imprison the dumb asses that believe they are above the law and entitle to special rights.
This is uncommon common sense and should be mandatory reading and readily implemented. It's a shame it won't be.
Yup, Bats knocked it out of the park with that post.

Seldom I agree with both Fats and Bats.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 4:06 am

The last 3 Police Chiefs in my old town did the whole "defer salary until last 3 years of job so you get that for your retirement"...one guy is making well over 200K a year with his pension, meanwhile, they've fucked over the rank and file with their pensions.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:55 pm

Batboy2/75 wrote: Each Sate establish a LEO version of the UCMJ. Being an LEO entails a lot of power- place officers under a legal system like the UCMJ.

A separate legal system outside of the civilian one? That's the opposite of what we'd want. If needed, write some laws into the state and local codes. We want more integration, not less.

Post-Iraq and Afghanistan, the military has been shedding hardware like crazy. Leaving billions of dollars of stuff overseas, and giving away billions of dollars of arms and vehicles to law enforcement. Hard to say "no" to free stuff, so police folks end up with MRAPs and armor what-not. Useful kit, so its not hard to understand why they have it. But then it ends up being a hammer looking for a nail.

It's all about leadership and community control of the police force.

Dunn · Post by **Dunn** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:05 pm

Batboy2/75 wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:Remember this when the boys and girls in blue demand a pay raise etc. Most will retire with full health benefits and the public will end up picking up the tab for these fat fucks.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/08/14/fbi- ... verweight/
It's worse with firemen. There's a waiting list years long to get a fireman's gig around here, yet pay/benefits skyrocket. It's insane.
Want to have some fun? Go on any forum that swings from the nuts of LEO and fire fighters and share that bit of wisdom. I've been banned from a number of forums for sharing your point.

I wish that were true here. We have seen a decline in pay and benefits here.

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:09 pm

nafod wrote:
It's all about leadership and community control of the police force.

This. More often than not, most city councils live in the out of sight out of mind mode and don't really care what's happening until after the fact. They defer to their city managers to keep an eye on the department heads.

dead man walking · Post by **dead man walking** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:33 pm

a little history on the ferguson cops.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... y-lie.html

j-cubed · Post by **j-cubed** » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:47 pm

Batboy2/75 wrote:In no particular order

De-unionize LEO.

I don't disagree with your points except that one.
There are many frivolous lawsuits against the honest cops that are just doing their jobs, and the union legal protection they get is very important.

If you de-unionize police, then at least set up a substantial legal defense fund.

IGX

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