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Luke wrote:I'm in Sydney and there was a raid on my sleepy suburban street last week. I drove past the tactical/SWAT van on the way to work. People I know are feeling very differently towards all of this than what we've been used to up until now.

It just amazes me how in this climate the left can only see government corruption and fear-mongering. They literally appear to be blocking out all signs that something very serious may be tearing down upon us...it's ridiculous.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Given some law was just passed that the government can detain "terror suspects" without charging them with anything, I'd be a tad nervous to be a Muslim in Oz at the moment.

Luke wrote:I'm in Sydney and there was a raid on my sleepy suburban street last week. I drove past the tactical/SWAT van on the way to work. People I know are feeling very differently towards all of this than what we've been used to up until now.

It's probably useful to ask why that's the case.

It just amazes me how in this climate the left can only see government corruption and fear-mongering. They literally appear to be blocking out all signs that something very serious may be tearing down upon us...it's ridiculous.

It may be helpful to get the perspective of an outsider. Wake up. Nothing very serious is coming your way that would justify throwing your civil liberties out the window. The number of major Islamic terror attacks on Australian soil remains a steady zero since there's been an Australia. Turn off the news.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Wake up. Nothing very serious is coming your way that would justify throwing your civil liberties out the window. The number of major Islamic terror attacks on Australian soil remains a steady zero since there's been an Australia.

CANBERRA, Australia — The ISIS plot to carry out random beheadings in Sydney alleged by police is a simple and barbaric scheme that has shaken Australians. But terrorism experts on Friday questioned whether the ruthless movement had the capacity or inclination to sustain a terror campaign so far from the Middle East.

Police said they thwarted a plot to carry out beheadings in Australia by ISIS group supporters when they raided more than a dozen properties across Sydney on Thursday.

Two of the 15 suspects detained by police were charged in court on Thursday, officials said.

Nine others were freed before the day was over.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/wor ... /15855437/

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Given some law was just passed that the government can detain "terror suspects" without charging them with anything, I'd be a tad nervous to be a Muslim in Oz at the moment.

Luke wrote:I'm in Sydney and there was a raid on my sleepy suburban street last week. I drove past the tactical/SWAT van on the way to work. People I know are feeling very differently towards all of this than what we've been used to up until now.

It's probably useful to ask why that's the case.

It just amazes me how in this climate the left can only see government corruption and fear-mongering. They literally appear to be blocking out all signs that something very serious may be tearing down upon us...it's ridiculous.

It may be helpful to get the perspective of an outsider. Wake up. Nothing very serious is coming your way that would justify throwing your civil liberties out the window. The number of major Islamic terror attacks on Australian soil remains a steady zero since there's been an Australia. Turn off the news.

VB-Boy wrote:

It may be helpful to get the perspective of an outsider. Wake up. Nothing very serious is coming your way that would justify throwing your civil liberties out the window. The number of major Islamic terror attacks on Australian soil remains a steady zero since there's been an Australia. Turn off the news.

yep, it's all fun and games till little Johnnie Jihad goes down to the local COP shop for a meeting and upon greeting the 2 Police, produces a knife and stabs them both till he is shot dead......

DumbfuckDonkeyLove wrote:If so, they'll lose their status as one of the top ten most free countries and come down to join the USA between Estonai and Bahrain

terra wrote:...catholic church...bugger-a-thon...bad apple...priests...pedophile risks...bad apples[again]...phew.

...kids...bend down...totter off...pedos[again]...sky god...

What was I talking about?

Fat Cat wrote:

DumbfuckDonkeyLove wrote:If so, they'll lose their status as one of the top ten most free countries and come down to join the USA between Estonai and Bahrain

If you think the People's Republic of China is #1, you're an idiot.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:

DumbfuckDonkeyLove wrote:If so, they'll lose their status as one of the top ten most free countries and come down to join the USA between Estonai and Bahrain

If you think the People's Republic of China is #1, you're an idiot.

2014 Index of Economic Freedom lists Hong Kong as #1 and the PRC as #137. The USA is #12 just below Estonia and just above Bahrain. Reporters Without Borders lists us as #46 in press freedom just behind Romania and above Haiti.

Spells' comments about Oz made me think about the USA's dramatic slide in the wrong direction in areas where we should be a solid and embedded #1. Most troubling is the fact that the direction in the BushBama era is down down down.

terra wrote:Something I was hoping for...

"Australian Muslims join #notinmyname against Islamic State"

Article here:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014 ... amic-state

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We have come of age here in Oz, we are a happy and fairly peaceful lot down under. Our "bread and circus" are beaches and sporting achievements. We lived off the sheep's back for a while and do so now by digging big holes and pulling out minerals.

We come up with good ideas but without the population or government backing they usually head overseas (we then placate our cargo culture fixation and buy back the developed technology, at increased prices...).

We have climate, space and resources on our side. It IS a kind of apathy I suppose, and we generally get away with it... Yes we are a happy and fairly peaceful lot down under. Many an amerikan has stared in wonder at how safe and relaxed our little nation is... We are "The Lucky Country".

But then there is that thing that happens when we fight for something we value.
Shit gets real.

Not by shear weight of numbers, or financing and not with the latest technology. It isn't even patriotism, its just a sense of justice combined with a pragmatic application of harden-the-fuck-up-mate, and the ability to fight to the bitter end...

Hence the news that IS (or isil or isis or whatever) had declared jihad on our home turf gave pause for concern. Not for fear of being the token whitey pulled off the street and beheaded to a back drop of the Sydney opera house.
The real concern is that in a pragmatic, peace loving nation like ours I could see only a couple of outcomes from this..

See, we have this apathetic logic-but-not thing that we do down here... For instance, down here the catholic church has been having a wholesale bugger-a-thon with any child it can get its hands on for a couple of hundred years. In the churches wisdom they said, let us handle it ourselves, we will find that bad apple and remove it.

We just shrug and say, yeah fair enough. Of course they didn't do anything and hence catholic priests are now all looked upon as serious pedophile risks. So we had ato resort to all sorts of offical commisions to find the bad apples and a lot of heads will be rolling - phew.

Parents are now once again happy for their kids to bend down and hail mary whilst eating a facsimile of her son's flesh and drinking his blood. They then totter off and tell the once would be pedos all of their secrets in the hope that the sky god gives them a cloud and hand over cash to remove their mothers from a spirit limbo-land called purgatory.

What was I talking about? Oh that's right, logic...

Anyhow, these IS clowns... Who, let's be honest, really are just the extreme version of rednecks (there's the pick-up truck, the guns, the hair, the need to stick together to form a brain). Except that these guys know how to use computers for things other than jerking off to daisy duke goes mud sharking porn. These IS good ol' boys could severely fuck up this great land of Oz for every single other muslim living here. The problem with rednecks is that it's our default state. Due to those neanderthal genes we all have combined with our mirror neurons, rednecking is contagious...

For example after the IS Oz jihad threat, there is already an unnerving sudden proliferation of bumper stickers with sentiments such as "Love this land as you find it, or fuck off back where you came from". Usually plastered across the back of a toyota pick-up truck, jus' sayin...

It's kind of sad, as the people who put these stickers on their cars would, on any normal day, rather sit down and have a beer with a muslim mate. Unfortunately the carry over from the 'any priest is a potential pedo' logic means that every muslim is now a potential terrorist... Of course some also argue that every man is a potential rapist - but people with that sort of logic are brainless extremists.

I personally see Jews as a bigger threat. A simple suburban beheading every now and then is nothing compared to what the kikes have done to real estate prices around where I live. What use is a head if you can't afford to put a roof over it?

So the choice of outcomes are simple:
1) Ship them all off to god knows where (we have a lot of places on our big sunburnt continent called 'god knows where', specifically for cases such as this... Just watch the first series of the crocodile hunter).

By the way, don't you think it's strange that even though there are many gods and no one can agree on which god is correct, there is a place were things become lost and it's 'only god knows where'... Regardless of whose god, they all know where that place is. Could this place of lost things be the unifying factor that will bring the various religions together? That unknown place full of keys, receipts and things from the third draw down in the kitchen. The mere existence of that place that 'only god knows where' is proof that all gods are indeed one and the same! And when we find the place there will be 72 virgins sitting around a pile of car keys, odd socks and re-useable vacuum sealing wine bottle stoppers.

2) Ban them, in a similar manner to the French, but with a lot less style. The fact that head dresses are kind of practical down here during summer and the hipster thing making long beards trendy, means that we can't simply rule against their fashion sense like the french have done.
So we'll probably just ban kneeling down. Carpet layers will get special exemptions for kneeling and will make a lot of money, because along with kneeling we will ban persian rugs... Well, we all know that persians aren't traditionally muslim so we won't actually ban the rugs, just heavily tax them.. 'Jeez yeah' that might be tough but the Zoroastrians are used to coping a jizya from muslims (a bad pun for the theo-historians among us).

3) Tell them to sort themselves out or we will enact solutions 1 and 2.
This is the best possible outcome, and it seems to be happening voluntarily...
= Good.

Thoughts?

DrDonkeyLove wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Given some law was just passed that the government can detain "terror suspects" without charging them with anything, I'd be a tad nervous to be a Muslim in Oz at the moment.

Luke wrote:I'm in Sydney and there was a raid on my sleepy suburban street last week. I drove past the tactical/SWAT van on the way to work. People I know are feeling very differently towards all of this than what we've been used to up until now.

It's probably useful to ask why that's the case.

It just amazes me how in this climate the left can only see government corruption and fear-mongering. They literally appear to be blocking out all signs that something very serious may be tearing down upon us...it's ridiculous.

It may be helpful to get the perspective of an outsider. Wake up. Nothing very serious is coming your way that would justify throwing your civil liberties out the window. The number of major Islamic terror attacks on Australian soil remains a steady zero since there's been an Australia. Turn off the news.

Does anyone know if Australia's detention laws allow them to detain a citizen forever with no access to the justice system like our McCain/Graham/Obama/Feinstein National Defense Authorization Act does? Did they throw their civil liberties out of the window as cavalierly and thoroughly as we have here in the US? Considering their gun laws, I suppose it's possible.

If so, they'll lose their status as one of the top ten most free countries and come down to join the USA between Estonai and Bahrain