American Citizens are being Poisoned in Flint, MI
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American Citizens are being Poisoned in Flint, MI
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The folks who fled back in the 80's were the smart ones.
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Flint's department of water, and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality fucked up real time.
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And now it's buried in the context of who should pay for it-- broke ass Michigan or the feebs. Balance pertains.baffled wrote:Wasn't the EPA investigating this over a year ago? Seem to remember a story the last few days noting that the investigation got buried over an internal shit flinging contest.
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Here are some memories of 25 years ago when I lived in Flint:
-Seeing guns pulled on people on a regular basis (7, maybe 8 times)
-Lots of crack
-Crack apartment building shot up with some kind of submachine gun while I was riding my mountain bike to the bar
-Vegas style casino in the black part of town that was completely untouched by police.
-2 acquaintances hiring a crack whore for $5, a package of gum, and some tic tacs, then fucking her in the car right there in the street
-Spending the night and most of a summer morning on top of a house that was being busted as an illegal card den
-Detroit gangsters, bloods and crips, coming up to Flint and their bodies being found in abandoned houses
-Pack of stray dogs who were eating those bodies
-Homeless guy coming out of the shadows in the Capital Theater during a concert slashing a buddy up with a knife
-Getting the shit beat out of my by members of the Mexican Posse because I was, unknowingly, dating a sister of theirs.
-Getting a bottle broke over my head
I mean, there are more, and for fucks sake, I was just going to college
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That would make one helluva reality show.Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Flint is such a shithole now that you actually would have to go there and look around to believe it.
Here are some memories of 25 years ago when I lived in Flint:
-Seeing guns pulled on people on a regular basis (7, maybe 8 times)
-Lots of crack
-Crack apartment building shot up with some kind of submachine gun while I was riding my mountain bike to the bar
-Vegas style casino in the black part of town that was completely untouched by police.
-2 acquaintances hiring a crack whore for $5, a package of gum, and some tic tacs, then fucking her in the car right there in the street
-Spending the night and most of a summer morning on top of a house that was being busted as an illegal card den
-Detroit gangsters, bloods and crips, coming up to Flint and their bodies being found in abandoned houses
-Pack of stray dogs who were eating those bodies
-Homeless guy coming out of the shadows in the Capital Theater during a concert slashing a buddy up with a knife
-Getting the shit beat out of my by members of the Mexican Posse because I was, unknowingly, dating a sister of theirs.
-Getting a bottle broke over my head
I mean, there are more, and for fucks sake, I was just going to college
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Now, Granholm, the previous governor was worse, she did fucking NOTHING for the state, she just spent her time jockeying for a position on Obama's staff when she was done with her term.
Snyder did make it legal to not wear your helmet, making Michigan the latest organ donor on motorcycle destination in the area...and there are some beautiful roads to ride. However, his union busting and his attempts to loot the auto insurance fund millions of Michigan citizens paid into for long term car were pretty fucking shitty, as was him looting the education funds for road repair or whatever that bullshit was.
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Basically one poor black city, Detroit, was charging a lot of money to another poor black city, Flint, for water.
Flint's city council voted 7-1 to change to the Karegnondi water source, which will take several years to finish the infrastructure of.
One day later -
Detroit, filled with compassion for the poor people in Flint, gave them a big Fuck You and gave one year notice before they are cut off water. The new supply won't be ready in time.
Flint does a study to see what they can do for an interim solution. They decide to get water from the Flint River, which is a valid source. The Emergency manager agrees with their decision.
The Flint water department does not adequately condition the water. The acidic water removes the protective coating within the pipes. Lead is able to leach into the water.
All hell breaks loose.
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j-cubed wrote:Not much.
Basically one poor black city, Detroit, was charging a lot of money to another poor black city, Flint, for water.
Flint's city council voted 7-1 to change to the Karegnondi water source, which will take several years to finish the infrastructure of.
One day later -
Detroit, filled with compassion for the poor people in Flint, gave them a big Fuck You and gave one year notice before they are cut off water. The new supply won't be ready in time.
Flint does a study to see what they can do for an interim solution. They decide to get water from the Flint River, which is a valid source. The Emergency manager agrees with their decision.
The Flint water department does not adequately condition the water. The acidic water removes the protective coating within the pipes. Lead is able to leach into the water.
All hell breaks loose.
That's a brilliantly concise summary. Thank you sir.
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At some point, Detroit offered to hook Flint back up to their water supply, but Flint's city government said their water was safe and declined.j-cubed wrote:Not much.
Basically one poor black city, Detroit, was charging a lot of money to another poor black city, Flint, for water.
Flint's city council voted 7-1 to change to the Karegnondi water source, which will take several years to finish the infrastructure of.
One day later -
Detroit, filled with compassion for the poor people in Flint, gave them a big Fuck You and gave one year notice before they are cut off water. The new supply won't be ready in time.
Flint does a study to see what they can do for an interim solution. They decide to get water from the Flint River, which is a valid source. The Emergency manager agrees with their decision.
The Flint water department does not adequately condition the water. The acidic water removes the protective coating within the pipes. Lead is able to leach into the water.
All hell breaks loose.
I'm guessing Detroit made the offer with a high price tag?
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People talk about local government being more responsive to the people and even more effective than state and Federal government, but I don't think that's usually true. Most local government sucks. It's just as corrupt and detached from the interests of the governed as any other level of government. The only difference is that it’s run by less competent swindlers.Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Texas is just as bad though they have more money to throw over the problem
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Many of the water systems in the country were put in originally in the 30s and 40s - and since the feds have dried up the money for nearly everything so we can rebuild other countries after blowing them up over and over - a total rebuild of nearly 100 year old water systems is nearly impossible. Water system rebuilds are well outside the abilities of local governments. The only good thing I see here is I think now Flint will end up getting a new system from top to bottom on the federal dime.
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There are no "qualifications" necessary to run for any public office - including congress and president. In years past being a veteran was certainly viewed as a step up in the process - but no more - now it seems being an attorney is the thing. Many successful people who might be good in public office want nothing to do with it for obvious reasons. Decisions that may be the right thing to do as a public official can hurt a businessman's personal business in a big way if unpopular and almost any decision will be unpopular to some group or another. Public office at the smaller levels (think small villages etc) pay almost nothing and often result in everyone living there thinking they should tell you constantly what they think you should do because they know you personally and have their whole life. The pay is poor - you catch hell every day - you can't eat out without someone in your face telling you you're a dumb ass for something or another - I wonder why I have done it for almost 25 years now. And I have yet to have anyone offer me a bribe of any kind - no lobbyists - nothing. My advice to all is if you don't like the way things are (at any level) then run for office and do what you can to change things.Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Let's all say that out loud "MOST LOCAL GOVERNMENT SUCKS". It's worse than that, most local government has people who were unable to actually hack it at McDonalds. The board of the Houston junior college is an astonishing array of thieves and thugs.
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I don't see what makes this a federal issue.climber511 wrote:...The only good thing I see here is I think now Flint will end up getting a new system from top to bottom on the federal dime.
And I don't see where federal money comes from any other source but the taxpayers of the various states & cities.
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The EPA is on hold on Line 1.johno wrote:I don't see what makes this a federal issue.climber511 wrote:...The only good thing I see here is I think now Flint will end up getting a new system from top to bottom on the federal dime.
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No, in terms of responsibility for replacing the water system. It's a local water system that serves a purely local purpose.Yes I Have Balls wrote:The EPA is on hold on Line 1.johno wrote:I don't see what makes this a federal issue.climber511 wrote:...The only good thing I see here is I think now Flint will end up getting a new system from top to bottom on the federal dime.
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