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The tables are turning.

seeahill wrote:The tables are turning.

It's not the hardware, but the software.

If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

I've used Windows at work forever and Macs at home for the last 9 years. I am on my 2nd Mac Book pro and bought it 5 years ago this summer. I've never had a laptop last that long. I used it for coding and it came in handy when I had to help my GF in her C++ class. I don't do much with it now other that surfing and email -They are expensive, so I think it comes down to what you will do with it. When this one craps out, I'll likely opt for a tablet/keyboard setup.

CI

I bought my first Mac in 2001 and haven't regularly used a Windows machine since... but I bought a cheap-but-well-specced Dell desktop for my office a couple of weeks ago. I have to say Win10 is not so bad - really no more prone to getting in the way than the current, bloated iterations of OS X. I could see going Windows for my photo and video editing at home when my iMac gets too long in the tooth.

Doubt I'll ever switch from MacBook Pros to a Win laptop, though. No one else seems to get the whole package (keyboard and trackpad, gestures) done as well.

I put Linux on my old MACBook Pro. It's way better now that it was before.

I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

Kenny X wrote:I put Linux on my old MACBook Pro. It's way better now that it was before.

Wrong!

If you are using OSX you can:

- Install any OSX app.

- Install any BSD app (ports roolz).

- Install any Debian app (Fink is awesome).

And, please, tell me you ain't using any Ubuntu crap.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

VmWare Fusion/Parallels Desktop/Virtual Box are your friends.

SubClaw wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

VmWare Fusion/Parallels Desktop/Virtual Box are your friends.

I am a consultant, and for whatever bizarre reason, have to us my own machine. So I have a laptop loaded with their 365.....calendar is hell, and I'm not the only one to report that.

In other news, aside from our tablets, we have a 2y/o Acer Chromebook that has been bombproof.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

Snore. Office for Mac. Welcome to 2016.

The Crawdaddy wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

Snore. Office for Mac. Welcome to 2016.

It's not just that. Most official websites require Internet Explorer (they won't even work with Windows 10's Edge browser, that's why they kept IE 11) and there are way too many apps which don't have an OSX version.

I have to use a W7 virtual machine (they won't even allow a W10 machine) in order to join our corporate domain and use our inefficient and outdated apps.

SubClaw wrote:

The Crawdaddy wrote:

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:I love MAC but only if you do not have to interact with enterprise corporate America.

Snore. Office for Mac. Welcome to 2016.

It's not just that. Most official websites require Internet Explorer (they won't even work with Windows 10's Edge browser, that's why they kept IE 11) and there are way too many apps which don't have an OSX version.

I have to use a W7 virtual machine (they won't even allow a W10 machine) in order to join our corporate domain and use our inefficient and outdated apps.

Yes, and I have W10/O365 and it still plays hell with my calendar for whatever reason.....and I am not the only contractor using their own machine with this issue and we are months into the problem.

If you work in corp and want a Mac-like PC, the Dell XPS is excellent.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:If you work in corp and want a Mac-like PC, the Dell XPS is excellent.

That's what I got my daughter for college, the XPS 13, plus an extra monitor when at her desk. She loves it.
You can get them from the Microsoft store, sometimes with a deal where it's cheaper than from Dell, and it comes without a bunch of Dell bloatware that way.

Win 10, so far, is really stable, and I think really easy to use.

Dell refurbs are also a very good place to go. They are often canceled orders or returned NIB orders.

I am divided in this. I have Macbook Air for more than three years now, and for mobile needs it satisfies me more than enough. When I have to do something more complex though I prefer PC.

For instance, this morning I had to transfer photos for my wife's business to Dropbox - from her iPad. I first transferred them to PC and then to DB. This way it is more intuitive and easier for me, not a very educated computer user.

This is also the reason I switched to Android phone: more open system and less control. Drag and drop music files instead of using iTunes etc.

One more thing: search in email in AirBook is absolutely pathetic, and if i need to find something I go directly to Gmail site and search using their platform. The difference is huge. Several of my friends mentioned the same problem.

SubClaw wrote:If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

Good grief.

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

Good grief.

What's your problem now, asshole?

SubClaw wrote:

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

Good grief.

What's your problem now, asshole?

A rough first month? Give me a break. Perhaps if you're 65 years old and hunt and peck while typing with one finger. This is like saying moving from a Ford to a Toyota will be a rough first month. I have no idea what browser I'm even using but wouldn't have problem with that.

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

Good grief.

What's your problem now, asshole?

A rough first month? Give me a break. Perhaps if you're 65 years old and hunt and peck while typing with one finger. This is like saying moving from a Ford to a Toyota will be a rough first month. I have no idea what browser I'm even using but wouldn't have problem with that.

No, this is like moving from an automatic transmission car to a "stick".

For a typical Windows user like you, Time Machine is a concept difficult to grasp. So is Versions, so is using Terminal (a true, fully functional terminal, not that shitty thing MS-DOS based), or even being able to install a program (dragging the program's icon to the App folder is not the Windows way). And don't get me started with Expose, Spaces, Mission Control, etc...

In some old OSX iterations you had to enable your mouse's right button function. Unless you wanted to use CMD+Left button to emulate it.

So shut your fucking trap and quit trying to teach Daddy how to fuck. He already knows best.

Now crawl back to your dark, damp den and let adults do the talking.

SubClaw wrote:

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:

Protobuilder wrote:

SubClaw wrote:If you are willing to un-learn practically everything, then go ahead. OSX is waaaaay more useful and user friendly, but coming from a Windows background it's gonna be a rough first month.

Good grief.

What's your problem now, asshole?

A rough first month? Give me a break. Perhaps if you're 65 years old and hunt and peck while typing with one finger. This is like saying moving from a Ford to a Toyota will be a rough first month. I have no idea what browser I'm even using but wouldn't have problem with that.

No, this is like moving from an automatic transmission car to a "stick".

For a typical Windows user like you, Time Machine is a concept difficult to grasp. So is Versions, so is using Terminal (a true, fully functional terminal, not that shitty thing MS-DOS based), or even being able to install a program (dragging the program's icon to the App folder is not the Windows way). And don't get me started with Expose, Spaces, Mission Control, etc...

In some old OSX iterations you had to enable your mouse's right button function. Unless you wanted to use CMD+Left button to emulate it.

So shut your fucking trap and quit trying to teach Daddy how to fuck. He already knows best.

Now crawl back to your dark, damp den and let adults do the talking.

I bet you think it's hard to shift between browsers. Tell us, how do you do it?

Protobuilder wrote:I bet you think it's hard to shift between browsers. Tell us, how do you do it?

It only took you ten days to digest my response and try to come up with a supposedly sarcastic remark while carefully avoiding to answer my questions. Not bad...

SubClaw wrote:

Protobuilder wrote:I bet you think it's hard to shift between browsers. Tell us, how do you do it?

It only took you ten days to digest my response and try to come up with a supposedly sarcastic remark while carefully avoiding to answer my questions. Not bad...

I do imagine no 'delete' key would throw a person of your intellect for a few weeks but after that, seriously, it should have been smooth sailing.

Dayum IT geeks and their gear.

Am a big fan of RAWR! IT...just use an abacus and a charcoal stick on some parchment. And knee sleeves.