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Schlegel wrote: If I suspect the drunk customers at a venue might cause me to pull a gun, I don't go there, gun or no gun.

To expand: if I think I need a gun to go someplace, I don't go there.

The only exception would be to help a loved one - a very unlikely circumstance. In fact, it's only happened to me three times; Hollywood made a movie series about it, starring Liam Neeson.

Anybody who knows what they're talking about care to dissect these suppositions?

A giant leap in logic and facts related to him "firing nearly 1000 rounds" or needing to reload 30 times in 7 minutes. I'm unaware of anyone repeating those numbers aside from the conspiracy nutbag here.

I assume it's from: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/06/12 ... n-orlando/

Asinine special forces comparisons, because that's relevant to being an individual inside a packed club where you could literally just spray and pray and be unlikely to miss.

The danger and play dude is a special brand of 'failed to thrive'. That being said, sometimes he makes a good point

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:The danger and play dude is a special brand of 'failed to thrive'. That being said, sometimes he makes a good point

Heh. I'm assuming the club had at least a cursory ID/security/cover check at the door. How did he get the rifle in without help? Little big to kiester.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:

nafod wrote:I predict we will find out the shooter was a closet gay. He knew exactly where to go.

News coming out now about previous visits to the club, and use of a gay dating app. I thought something similar. Being a repressed Muslim homosexual has got to be a living hell.

You're telling me, m8!

And now the blame can safely be put on oppressive cisgendered heteronormitivy. I was going to take bets on how long it would take, but NPR beat me to it this morning.

young cis-men are the killers--no news there

are they oppressive or simply pissed off?

of course, many young men are pissed off from the moment they awaken each day. we just need to keep guns out of the hands of every cis-male younger than say, 50.

problem solved.

dead man walking wrote:young cis-men are the killers--no news there

are they oppressive or simply pissed off?

of course, many young men are pissed off from the moment they awaken each day. we just need to keep guns out of the hands of every cis-male younger than say, 50.

problem solved.

Appalling. First, you fail to give appropriate credit to the female shooter in the San Bernardino attack. As cold as they come. If women haven't kept up with men in mass shooting it's clearly the patriarchy at work. We've seen huge strides in violence of all sorts perpetrated by women and they are in a dead heat in domestic violence with men. In the face of women joining the combat arms, no less. The San Diego shooter was also quite clear. He was a victim of bullying. Woman after woman turned down his request for dates in the most demeaning way, we are told. Ugly, nerd shaming if I've ever seen it. When will we as a society face this has to stop and if doesn't we can just expect more. Time you get your mind wrapped around the real perpetrators there, dude. Likewise, should it turn out that the shooter in Orlando really was gay, then it is the self-loathing induced by organized religion that brought him in a twist of psyche to embrace his tormentor. Pesky constitution is once again in the way of true social justice. The only thing we should keep is freedom of the press, so that we can hear once again how this was the worst shooting in US history and encourage the next yahoo with a spreadsheet to break the record, where he knows he'll get all the notoriety anybody could ever want, free of charge, by any hack with an internet account.

not sure of your point, sua spent.

the san bernadine female is an outlier. otherwise, shooters are male (perhaps driven mad by women in some instances).

dead man walking wrote:not sure of your point, sua spent.

the san bernadine female is an outlier. otherwise, shooters are male (perhaps driven mad by women in some instances).

All I see in the SB incident is another argument to keep women from voting, possessing firearms, driving cars or wearing shoes.

if equality means they take up firearms and start shooting up the men's room, there is merit in your view.

Equality is overrated.

My point is snark. Application of The Narrative in a way the The Narrative doesn't approve of. Imagine the outrage if somebody said "if you really want to drop gun homicides, instead of addressing these statistical anomalies like Orlando, keep guns out of the hands of young black men." You'd see responses abound, about the societal causes of such things and therefore it isn't arguing fact, it is racist commentary. Which is the snarky tack I took.

If I argued women shouldn't be architects because almost all great architecture has come from men, you'd hear arguments about women only now being allowed opportunity. To be sure, violence perpetrated by women really has risen rapidly in recent years right along with their changing role in society. Combat arms were opened up to all women (but not selective service) partially based upon 3 women passing Ranger School out of a pool of some 1400. When it was argued that these women are outliers, that there would be implications to the effectiveness of units as based on a USMC study, that too was sexist. So if you make a comment that traditionally women aren't mass shooters then, by The Narrative, you fail to see the potential of women doing the same as men. You fail to credit the pathfinder San Bernardino women and the contribution she's made to equality. No shortage of female suicide bombers to be sure. Applying The Narrative to you, you're a sexist for your comment.

If you break it out by other groupings, The Donald is right. Muslims are the deadliest so bar them the first'est and the most'est from guns.

If I made the true statement that almost all false accusations of rape have been made by women, so all women should be ignored and the problem goes away, you'd expect justifiable outrage. Then, finally, while most mass shooters are men, almost all men aren't mass shooters.

Sua Sponte wrote:My point is snark. Application of The Narrative in a way the The Narrative doesn't approve of. Imagine the outrage if somebody said "if you really want to drop gun homicides, instead of addressing these statistical anomalies like Orlando, keep guns out of the hands of young black men." You'd see responses abound, about the societal causes of such things and therefore it isn't arguing fact, it is racist commentary. Which is the snarky tack I took.

If I argued women shouldn't be architects because almost all great architecture has come from men, you'd hear arguments about women only now being allowed opportunity. To be sure, violence perpetrated by women really has risen rapidly in recent years right along with their changing role in society. Combat arms were opened up to all women (but not selective service) partially based upon 3 women passing Ranger School out of a pool of some 1400. When it was argued that these women are outliers, that there would be implications to the effectiveness of units as based on a USMC study, that too was sexist. So if you make a comment that traditionally women aren't mass shooters then, by The Narrative, you fail to see the potential of women doing the same as men. No shortage of female suicide bombers to be sure. Applying The Narrative to you, you're a sexist for your comment.

If you break it out by other groupings, The Donald is right. Muslims are the deadliest so bar them the first'est and the most'est from guns.

If I made the true statement that almost all false accusations of rape have been made by women, so all women should be ignored and the problem goes away, you'd expect justifiable outrage. Then, finally, while most mass shooters are men, almost all men aren't mass shooters.

LOGICBOMB

And then there's Jared Wesley Howell...

An Indiana man who said he was headed to a gay pride event in California had a loaded assault rifle with magazines rigged to allow 60 shots to be fired in quick succession, plus 15 pounds of chemicals mixed and ready to explode, authorities said. James Wesley Howell, 20, also had two other loaded rifles, ammunition, a stun gun, a buck knife and a security badge when he was arrested in Santa Monica early Sunday, hours after an attack at a gay nightclub in Florida left 49 people dead, police said.[...]

Friends in Indiana described Howell as a gun enthusiast with a short temper. In October, he twice was accused of pulling a gun and making threats, once against his then-boyfriend and once against a neighbor.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/ ... ives-ready

James Wesley Howell was charged with child molestation on Wednesday, officials with the Clark County prosecutor's office said. Howell, 20, is accused of having sex with an underage girl on May 31, just days before he was arrested in Los Angeles County with weapons and an explosive mixture on his way to a gay pride event.

Howell left for California after he learned he was under investigation in the alleged molestation, Clark County Prosecutor Jeremy Mull told IndyStar. "I believe he left the state of Indiana and went to California because he understood that this child molesting investigation was ongoing and he was in imminent danger of being arrested," Mull said.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crim ... /85925896/

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Sua Sponte wrote: So if you make a comment that traditionally women aren't mass shooters then, by The Narrative, you fail to see the potential of women doing the same as men. No shortage of female suicide bombers to be sure. Applying The Narrative to you, you're a sexist for your comment.

LOGICBOMB

thanx for the entertaining explanation.

i understood the sexism lurking behind my factual remark. it's early days, and women may rise to the occasion, unless we put pandora back in her box.

I'm a sexist. It's just sound primate behavior and makes for good public policy. Call it what you will, functional misogyny is the only way to navigate a world littered with with crazy bitches....

lord how we love them...but they crazy.

dead man walking wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Sua Sponte wrote: So if you make a comment that traditionally women aren't mass shooters then, by The Narrative, you fail to see the potential of women doing the same as men. No shortage of female suicide bombers to be sure. Applying The Narrative to you, you're a sexist for your comment.

LOGICBOMB

thanx for the entertaining explanation.

i understood the sexism lurking behind my factual remark. it's early days, and women may rise to the occasion, unless we put pandora back in her box.

Another factual remark is that most of the recent mass shooters are liberals/democrats, or kids of liberals/democrats.

that's a piquant detail.

can you put a percentage to "most"?

is the sample size large enough to be meaningful?

One thing is for sure... none of these shooters was an NRA member. We'd never be allowed to overlook that.

Herv100 wrote:

dead man walking wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Sua Sponte wrote: So if you make a comment that traditionally women aren't mass shooters then, by The Narrative, you fail to see the potential of women doing the same as men. No shortage of female suicide bombers to be sure. Applying The Narrative to you, you're a sexist for your comment.

LOGICBOMB

thanx for the entertaining explanation.

i understood the sexism lurking behind my factual remark. it's early days, and women may rise to the occasion, unless we put pandora back in her box.

Another factual remark is that most of the recent mass shooters are liberals/democrats, or kids of liberals/democrats.

This is one of the dumbest things I've read here.

See Spells, when you register to vote, they keep records of that. And when you make social media posts espousing socialism/liberalism, it gets stored in the internets forever.

mass shooters and domestic abuse:

A recent analysis of mass shootings, conducted by the research-and-advocacy group Everytown for Gun Safety, found the link to domestic violence “noteworthy.” Using the F.B.I.’s definition of mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are murdered by guns, the Everytown researchers were able to document a hundred and thirty-three such shootings between January, 2009, and July, 2015. They found that “in at least 76 of the cases (57%), the shooter killed a current or former spouse or intimate partner or other family member, and in at least 21 incidents the shooter had a prior domestic violence charge.”

The lethal intersection of firearms and intimate-partner violence is actually one of the few gun-safety matters that Congress has acted on. In 1996, it adopted the Lautenberg Amendment, which bans people who have been convicted of domestic-violence misdemeanors, or who are subject to restraining orders, from owning firearms.

does this mean that if mateen's first wife had filed charges, perhaps he couldn't have bought a gun?