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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Chicago

Homicides dropped over last 20 yrs. But prior to that they were worse than now. And homicides rising continuously since Emmanuel took over.

And if they keep not promoting whites and making a viral episode of white cop shootings that clearance rate isn't budging.

tonkadtx wrote:One thing I think some people don't realize about NYC is that the NYPD has more cops then a lot of states. There are 35,000 copes here, the high was 40,000 around 2000. During the bad old days around 1990 when we set a murder record, they were at a low point, but still around 25,000. LAPD and CPD have between 10,000 and 15,000, I believe. The NYPD can always throw bodies at a problem, and frequently does. Also the gentrification express has really helped NY. I know the economy hasn't been fantastic, but the city has been pretty stable and gentrification is rolling over bad neighborhoods like a steamroller. Eventually it's just going to be the projects and million dollar condos/coops. South Bronx is the next hot neighborhood. Condos by Fordham are already in demand.

Great post. LA deserves a lot of blame for the style of policing we have. As you point out, they opted for a low manpower special forces approach post Vietnam. It made the cops the enemy of citizens.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:That story....TWO WHITE GUYS...

No one cares about your facebook stories steven.

pizza gate isn't real, benwald

Fuck off Ian.

tonkadtx wrote:One thing I think some people don't realize about NYC is that the NYPD has more cops then a lot of states. There are 35,000 copes here, the high was 40,000 around 2000. During the bad old days around 1990 when we set a murder record, they were at a low point, but still around 25,000. LAPD and CPD have between 10,000 and 15,000, I believe. The NYPD can always throw bodies at a problem, and frequently does. Also the gentrification express has really helped NY. I know the economy hasn't been fantastic, but the city has been pretty stable and gentrification is rolling over bad neighborhoods like a steamroller. Eventually it's just going to be the projects and million dollar condos/coops. South Bronx is the next hot neighborhood. Condos by Fordham are already in demand.

Meanwhile in Illinois...

Illinois’ sluggish economy has claimed another victim: home values. A new report by ATTOM Data Solutions on homes that are valued at least 25 percent under their outstanding mortgage debt reveals that more than 500,000, or nearly 20 percent, of homes in Illinois fit that description, only a couple points better than Nevada.

https://ilnews.org/11248/illinois-one-t ... omeowners/
W is to blame, this is obviously.

Chicago is not disappointing this year. Holy fuck.

I will say there is a lot of specific demographic shootings happening in Houston too.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Chicago is not disappointing this year. Holy fuck.

I will say there is a lot of specific demographic shootings happening in Houston too.

Asian pre-med students?

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Chicago is not disappointing this year. Holy fuck.

I will say there is a lot of specific demographic shootings happening in Houston too.

And Baltimore, ~ a murder/day.

I don't mind taking Chicago and breaking it off in Obama's ass. But why the focus on Chicago? Aren't there other cities with similar/worse murder rates?


PS - I don't see how any of these cities is a federal issue (excepting DC). Except maybe to collect stats & point the way to Best Practices.

They are not the king on a per capita basis (although their murder rate is nothing to be proud of), but I believe they are outpacing all US cities every year in terms of total murders.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:They are not the king on a per capita basis (although their murder rate is nothing to be proud of), but I believe they are outpacing all US cities every year in terms of total murders.

Really interested in where this goes. So many opportunities to expend or build political capital for both sides. Imagine that Trump releases an Eliot Ness style gang/gun style team of FBI, ATF & JD task force. So much can be done w/o entering danger zones like stop & frisk or bringing out the National Guard.

If he can release enough heat to make shooters curb their activity by 25%, he'll be a hero. Of coarse if he fumbles or overplays his hand, he's handed the opposition a cudgel to beat him with. He's Trump so he could do anything or nothing which is why it will be fun to watch.

My current Trump theory is that he just throws punches in bunches. He maintains the initiative with no need to be factually right that often, because he's coming from a place that his voting base emotionally resonates with.
He is Oprah. None of Oprah's audience give the least shit about whether she's factually right or wrong or whether the woo-woo shit she promotes actually works in real life. It's how you FEEL when you watch her. And then Trump is off to the next topic, with the Press trailing behind, reacting to his agenda.

The "truth" no longer matters. We all pick our own sources, facts, and conclusions. How else could "Bush Lied, People Died" or "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" survive?

He needs to do two things to get reelected: 1) not start WWIII and 2) bump the economy up to a 3+% growth rate.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:After 50 years of declining homicides, 2016 had a huge jump. Could be an anomaly.

Since the ban was repealed and we became a shall issue state, all the nearby gun stores have added ranges, moved to larger spaces, or both. They've gone from dead to very busy.

It's been unquestionably good for the industry.

Not that good, Troy. As of July of last year just 181,000 people in Illinois have a CCW (see http://patch.com/illinois/tinleypark/ho ... our-county ) Cook county has just 47,000 CCW holders. I doubt that Ruger and S&W are making that much bank from your neighborhoods.

When Illinois reaches Pennsylvania's nine percent of the population with CCW let's see how it goes. We have a population of 12,000,000 and 1,064,360 or so CCW holders. (see http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... n-permits/ ) Look at the PSP numbers, btw.

A proportional number for Chicago would be about every CCW holder in Illinois, yes?

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Pro CCW folks should be rooting for declining murder rates in Chicago, since it's pretty much a perfect test case for "What happens when criminals can easily get guns, despite a ban? What happens when you let law-abiding people also carry guns?" NYC & LA are still very difficult places to legally carry, and they haven't seen the spike we did.

I've been a big fan of drug legalization for this very reason. Take the risk out of drug sales, reduce the profits, reduce the deaths. This would give you the "Instant On" effect that you've been seeking. I suspect that much of Chicago's violence is drug related but I'm not a resident. Blaming guns is a cop out, it's a typical big city Elitist attitude which usually camouflages shitty urban policy. Philly politicians are notorious for blaming guns.

Using the same shitty strategy for guns that is failing for drugs is not a good answer.

Interested parties can see what exactly is required in Illinois to get a CCW.... Shall issue, yes. Easy to get? Nope.

ILLINOIS RESIDENTS

16 hours of Concealed Carry firearms training provided by an ISP approved Instructor.
Electronic Copy of my training certificate(s). You will be required to upload your electronic certificate during the application process.
An Illinois State Police User ID and Password
A Valid Driver’s License or State Identification card.
A valid FOID card unless in the process of getting a valid FOID card.
A head and shoulder electronic photograph taken within the last 30 days.
Be able to provide the last ten years of residency.
Fingerprints – Electronic fingerprints will expedite your application! Specify to the Live Scan vendor that your fingerprint application is for the Concealed Carry application (ORI = IL920707Z, Purpose Code = CCW).

NOTE: Applicants will be assigned a transaction control number (TCN) at the time of fingerprinting and will be required to retain that TCN to complete the application.
$150.00 payable with a credit card or electronic check.
https://www.ispfsb.com/public/ccl.aspx



Shall Issue? Really, Troy? Didn't we hear last year that asking for ID to vote is "Racist"? Yet Illinois residents have to show two forms of ID and fork over $150.00

I agree with Troy that LA, which is in a may issue state and NYC are not good examples for the utility of concealed carry. Drugs, police methods, who can say?

California has pretty liberal marijuana laws.... I welcome seeing how their murder rates are affected by Prop 64.


The closest city to Chicago in size is Houston, Tx. They have Texas gun laws. Their deaths have stayed roughly the same from 2015 but are still a fraction of Chicago's

Chicago - 750 deaths

Houston - 302 deaths

If gun control worked the total of Houston's murders would be higher, not lower than Chicago's. Since there are other factors we need to look at those and agree upon a reasonable strategy, and not the tired narrative of "Less guns, less gun crime".

Philadelphia - 277 deaths. Population is 1,553,000

Scaled to Chicago's population of 2,719,000 this gives us 485 deaths.

This is bit more than half again higher than Houston's but 35 percent lower than Chicago's.

The Chicago Police Department says it is conducting "a very comprehensive review" after the city experienced one of its most violent Fourth of July weekends in recent years, with at least 101 people shot between late Friday afternoon and early Wednesday. [...]The weekend began with 19 people shot on Friday night and 23 on Saturday. Sunday and Monday nights were both relatively quiet, by summer standards, with 17 people shot over the two days, according to Tribune data.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

I liked the 'amateur fireworks' excuse from the article, because 'amateur fireworks' don't happen anywhere else with lower murder rates apparently.