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powerlifter54 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:59 pm Congress was never what the Dems feared. New Year, New AG, declassified docs, new Special Prosecutor.

Better than Bowl Season.

Schlegel wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:42 pm

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:39 pm

Schlegel wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:46 am Mueller investigation is basically done, cnn says they are in the report writing phase and most investigators are now returned to their normal jobs. So there's not really anything to obstruct now. It's gonna be a damp squib, but get ready for the cries of "the new AG stopped Mueller's work prematurely"

That's what I've been reading. It's hard to look at the way this is shaping up and think that Mueller has developed some really jaw-dropping high crimes and misdemeanors that could fuel an impeachment.

Yeah, i think too many people worked on it to keep anything juicy from leaking a hint or two. It would just be too tempting for somebody, somewhere.

nafod wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:55 am Call me a little surprised that Don Jr wasn't charged with lying. You wonder why all the rest of those Trump hangers-on lied about Russia and then lied about lying about Russia. Habit, I guess. Organizational culture.

Manafort is probably high-fiving his cell mate.

Herv100 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:42 am But Spells and Nafod were so sure he was going down for collision and obstruction!!!! LMAO

Hopefully some people go to jail for weaponizing the intelligence apparatus against a citizen running for office and elected official who did nothing wrong.

"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be,"

The Special Counsel’s investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. The first involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election...

The second element involved the Russian government’s efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:13 pm

Herv100 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:42 am But Spells and Nafod were so sure he was going down for collision and obstruction!!!! LMAO

Word?

Hopefully some people go to jail for weaponizing the intelligence apparatus against a citizen running for office and elected official who did nothing wrong.

Not sure SDNY agrees. Even Barr, who won't release the report yet, says Trump wasn't exonerated. Let's see what comes out.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:43 pmIt appears our MAGAmigos were a bit premature in their celebration.

Mueller in his report did not draw a conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice but specifically said that "if we had confidence" Trump did not do so, "we would so state." The report also says, "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

This is the sentence that Toobin says is key, calling it "all but an explicit invitation to Congress to impeach the president." Toobin also concluded that there's "no other way" to read this sentence other than Mueller telling Congress he "cannot enforce the obstruction of justice laws against the president" but that lawmakers "can do it" through impeachment.

Toobin clarified that he's not sure whether Congress will — or even should — actually impeach Trump.

Turdacious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:35 am

Mueller in his report did not draw a conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice but specifically said that "if we had confidence" Trump did not do so, "we would so state." The report also says, "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

This is the sentence that Toobin says is key, calling it "all but an explicit invitation to Congress to impeach the president." Toobin also concluded that there's "no other way" to read this sentence other than Mueller telling Congress he "cannot enforce the obstruction of justice laws against the president" but that lawmakers "can do it" through impeachment.

Toobin clarified that he's not sure whether Congress will — or even should — actually impeach Trump.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/836125/c ... each-trump
Translation-- well below even the Kim Foxx standard of indictment at this point.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Turdacious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:35 am

Mueller in his report did not draw a conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice but specifically said that "if we had confidence" Trump did not do so, "we would so state." The report also says, "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

This is the sentence that Toobin says is key, calling it "all but an explicit invitation to Congress to impeach the president." Toobin also concluded that there's "no other way" to read this sentence other than Mueller telling Congress he "cannot enforce the obstruction of justice laws against the president" but that lawmakers "can do it" through impeachment.

Toobin clarified that he's not sure whether Congress will — or even should — actually impeach Trump.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/836125/c ... each-trump
Translation-- well below even the Kim Foxx standard of indictment at this point.

That's actually the only translation you can't make. Mueller specifically says he is following OLC guidelines that he can't indict.

The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. Comey did not end the investigation of Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn’s prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the Special Counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President’s order. Lewandowski and Dearborn did not deliver the President’s message to Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President’s direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President’s multiple demands that he do so.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Turdacious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:35 am

Mueller in his report did not draw a conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice but specifically said that "if we had confidence" Trump did not do so, "we would so state." The report also says, "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

This is the sentence that Toobin says is key, calling it "all but an explicit invitation to Congress to impeach the president." Toobin also concluded that there's "no other way" to read this sentence other than Mueller telling Congress he "cannot enforce the obstruction of justice laws against the president" but that lawmakers "can do it" through impeachment.

Toobin clarified that he's not sure whether Congress will — or even should — actually impeach Trump.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/836125/c ... each-trump
Translation-- well below even the Kim Foxx standard of indictment at this point.

That's actually the only translation you can't make. Mueller specifically says he is following OLC guidelines that he can't indict.

nafod wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:24 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Turdacious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:35 am

Mueller in his report did not draw a conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice but specifically said that "if we had confidence" Trump did not do so, "we would so state." The report also says, "The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

This is the sentence that Toobin says is key, calling it "all but an explicit invitation to Congress to impeach the president." Toobin also concluded that there's "no other way" to read this sentence other than Mueller telling Congress he "cannot enforce the obstruction of justice laws against the president" but that lawmakers "can do it" through impeachment.

Toobin clarified that he's not sure whether Congress will — or even should — actually impeach Trump.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/836125/c ... each-trump
Translation-- well below even the Kim Foxx standard of indictment at this point.

That's actually the only translation you can't make. Mueller specifically says he is following OLC guidelines that he can't indict.

I see it as Mueller telling congress to do its job.

From the Mueller report

The President’s efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. Comey did not end the investigation of Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn’s prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the Special Counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President’s order. Lewandowski and Dearborn did not deliver the President’s message to Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President’s direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President’s multiple demands that he do so.

So who is in charge in the White House? The guy who was elected, or a bunch of appointed officials? Who is going to make decisions when we have an actual crisis that needs a president who isn’t a fucking idiot?

Turdacious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:02 amMueller is saying that the Orange One running his mouth on Twitter and venting in meetings doesn't meet obstruction standards.