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I've been reading a lot about this the last couple of days. I know the military has a unique set of rules but the punishment seems grossly excessive. Makes me think that big time people are covering their big time asses.

Diplomacy and war makes for alliances w/bad people but how is the Army's tolerance of child rapists (sometimes on bases apparently) different from the Catholic church's child rape cover up? There' s no doubt that the statements I've been reading from the White House and pentagon are bullshit for the most part.

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In case you missed it earlier this week, the New York Times published an extensive piece detailing how U.S. soldiers serving in Afghanistan have been told to ignore rampant sexual abuse of young children, mostly boys, by Afghan allies because "it's their culture." U.S. soldiers were not only told they would be punished for intervening or stopping a sexual assault, they have been punished for doing so.

Green Beret Charles Martland was discharged from the Army after roughing up an Afghan military commander who admitted, and laughed about, being a child rapist.

Sickens me...that's about all I can say about it. Further proof that these brave soldiers no longer sacrifice themselves for a society worth preserving. When we can't take a firm stance on child rape, something has taken a queer turn for the worse.

This is where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" gets us.

disgusting, really, both the order to ignore child rape and the treatment of the guy who said fuck it, I'm not going to ignore it anymore.

Where's the US Military's moral compass? Fuck, where is the countries moral compass anymore. It's been bought and sold.

There seems to be a back-and-forth on this. When Carter said, "We're not going to do business with bad people to advance our interests any more" he was excoriated as being naive about how the world works.

While the abusers should be castrated, or shot if you catch them in the act, I can see why the US may have to work with these assholes. And if we're working with them, you can't have our guys smacking their police commanders around without repercussions, because then everybody who's not smacking them around is seen as condoning the abusers.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:disgusting, really, both the order to ignore child rape and the treatment of the guy who said fuck it, I'm not going to ignore it anymore.

Where's the US Military's moral compass? Fuck, where is the countries moral compass anymore. It's been bought and sold.

was our moral compass better when the shah was our ally? when we supported pinoche in chile?

dead man walking wrote:

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:disgusting, really, both the order to ignore child rape and the treatment of the guy who said fuck it, I'm not going to ignore it anymore.

Where's the US Military's moral compass? Fuck, where is the countries moral compass anymore. It's been bought and sold.

was our moral compass better when the shah was our ally? when we supported pinoche in chile?

Pretty sure Pinoche wasn't a kiddie fiddler, but I do see your point-- we've been hitting the sheets with unsavory individuals in the name of diplomacy for a long time, and it's no more wrong today than it was a long time ago, rather, it's just different, and a whole lot more disgusting, not to mention morally reprehensible.

Still, this sickens me. Frankly, allies or not, the child molesters should be dealt with by firing squad. Every last one of them. And if there's two few bullets, I say evacuate whatever decent people you can find (if there are any), and fucking carpet bomb everything.

If this culture condones child rape, then I whole-heartedly condone genocide in their case in particular.

Unfortunately, a lot of cultures condone child rape.

I don't know anything about the military code of justice but the punishment seems extreme to me.

3 marines were killed by a rape boy on a base where his evil rapist was welcome. Who's more culpable, commanders who made a bad decision resulting in the death of 3 marines or a Green Beret who pushed a child rapist in a moment of rage? I could understand if he cut off the bastards balls with a rusty KA-BAR knife as he deserved - but a push?

Something is very wrong here and I have yet to read a cogent explanation by anyone in authority. I suspect because there isn't one.

Kenny X wrote: Pretty sure Pinoche wasn't a kiddie fiddler, but I do see your point-- we've been hitting the sheets with unsavory individuals in the name of diplomacy for a long time, and it's no more wrong today than it was a long time ago, rather, it's just different, and a whole lot more disgusting, not to mention morally reprehensible.

you're saying kiddie fiddling is worse than making people disappear?

if that view is widely shared--as it appears to be here--it makes me wonder how the catholic clergy has been able to avoid vigilante justice in this country.

dead man walking wrote:

Kenny X wrote: Pretty sure Pinoche wasn't a kiddie fiddler, but I do see your point-- we've been hitting the sheets with unsavory individuals in the name of diplomacy for a long time, and it's no more wrong today than it was a long time ago, rather, it's just different, and a whole lot more disgusting, not to mention morally reprehensible.

you're saying kiddie fiddling is worse than making people disappear?

if that view is widely shared--as it appears to be here--it makes me wonder how the catholic clergy has been able to avoid vigilante justice in this country.

I believe child rape is worse than murder, yes. Here's why- because the victims don't go softly into the goodnight of death; they have to live with the pain of what was done to them, every single day, and all the psychological pain that comes with it.

As to the Catholic Church, I do not in any way think that all the cases of child molestation were handled properly. The recidivism rate for sexual predators is so high that death is the only recourse. Put the priests on trial, present the evidence and if they're found guilty, kill them, and lock up the church officials who cover it up.

A good start would be the Catholic Church cease hiding behind the "what is said in the confessional is sacred and off limits" and start turning-in their sick priests.

syaigh wrote:Unfortunately, a lot of cultures condone child rape.

Yep and Liberals defend it with Cultural Relativism. Fact, our culture is the best.

It's funny when someone ask about our moral compass when they are the kind that never seems to pick a side, grabbing onto a small kernal of truth from the opposition to the American way, shrugging of legitimate "fears" of what our enemies are up to, ect

Do you really think the same people who wanted nothing to do with WW2 by and large bought every bit of our government's propaganda about the enemy in 1942? No, but they got on board with it, silenced the idiots who wanted to grasp on some of the kernels of legitimate points the Axis had and understood it's power for driving a nation on for a single goal and what it could do for their nation's power, position and PROSPERITY if we came out as #1 at the end of it. It worked. Contrast that to the venal, shoe staring, devil's advocate everything cuntish culture we have been since 9-11 through to now.

Do you think an American G.I. would have been in the shit if he shot some French guy he caught fucking a boy in the ass? Fuck No! Patton would come down, shake his hand and invite him to dine with him.

Maybe if we had all got with the program, bought the fuck in after 9-11 smacked and maybe even killed a few Liberals who opend their cocksuckers and actually invaded them, and killed their dirt fucking faith at every turn through gunpoint and bomb crater conversions, we'd be in a better place, just with maybe a billion less jawas?


It's going to happen eventually, eventually we will have to lay waste to that part of the world, hunt down their kind in the rest of it and kill them off. It's just going to take a lot more than 3,500 or so Americans dead.

The Commie raised half breed some of you voted for is ensuring this will happen by even acting like Iran has a negotiating position on nukes. When we get nuked I hope it's YOU and YOUR children that die. A. You deserve it, your weakness will have lead to it. B. At least as dead you will actually do good for your nation and your culture, we can invoke your name as we cheer on a Secular crusade of stratigic assets laying the M.E. to slag and ensuring that the cockroach is master of Mecca.

Notice our guys getting reamed for doing right has skyrocketed under this POTUS? If he's not a fucking Muslim, he sure sucks their cocks. ( and don't give me the beer and bacon shit, the namesake of our training forum was tossing MREs with ham in them at Iraqi surrenderee's in Gulf War 1 and those fuckers sucked them up. Not to mention Muslims can fuck whores, do drugs and drink booze when in non Muslim lands. They are worse than catholics with their sin and forgive shit.)

which is worse? they are both horrible on any scale. death to both.

Political is dirty. It shouldn't be. And fuck you Dylan, if you had any kind of filter you wouldn't be howling about every single fear monger blog post that turns out to be not true.

I'm sure the boyfucking was happening when Bush was in charge too.

And, yeah, I feel child rape and molestation is worse than outright murder. The systematic sexual abuse of boys is one of things that builds Muslim psychopaths

DARTH wrote:

syaigh wrote:Unfortunately, a lot of cultures condone child rape.

Yep and Liberals defend it with Cultural Relativism. Fact, our culture is the best.

You realize that "our culture" is barely 2 generations past marrying children being controversial but not that controversial and maybe four generations past it being acceptable, right?

What are your thoughts on Jerry Lee Lewis, Darf?

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Political is dirty. It shouldn't be. And fuck you Dylan, if you had any kind of filter you wouldn't be howling about every single fear monger blog post that turns out to be not true.

I'm sure the boyfucking was happening when Bush was in charge too.

And, yeah, I feel child rape and molestation is worse than outright murder. The systematic sexual abuse of boys is one of things that builds Muslim psychopaths

Hit a nerve Steven? Maybe you know you have contributed in a micro small way to our lack of resolve or perspective on how you should be harsher to societies you are at war with that are nothing like your own versus those like your own. Especially when your society has done far worse to people way more like us than Jawas.

Your filter is clogged and you do us no good in the end jumping from one side of the fence to the other. Yes Jade Helm was probably no big deal ( and I've said as much on my post) yet I know folks who have been on exercises like that who do see a potential for such a drill being used to start martial law. People who loved being in the service but will point out how easy shit can flip. Gee I think I am right about letting ragheads in and tolerating Americans who side with them, must I go down the recent list of MUSLIMS committing murder and attempted murder in the name of Jihad. Not a lot of that going on under Bush with any success after 9-11-01 yet again, under Obama's watch "workplace violence" staring jawas and jawa converts has gone way up!

Yeah fear mongering, a word people use to make themselves feel secure. it works great until something comes your way. your lack of fear does not stop bullets or shrapnel and when it's so flippant it wont translate to fear management when you have to get hands on.

Notice I said Skyrocketed, I think I have made more than enough post pointing out the impotence of Bush and much of the bullshit levelled at guys in the sandbox for shit their grandfathers did as GP against far better people. But this POTUS is a glory hole for our enemies. I did not see this level of disdain amongst combat arms types for Bush. The men who fought these animal, fought, not sat in the rear, are the best judges of all of this shit. Better than me, better than you and better than the nigger/bitch who joined the military as workfare and never thought he'd/she'd go to a warzone that the Left likes to drag out as their experts.

So show me the case during Bush where an SF NCO stood on charges and was drummed out for something like this?

milosz wrote:

DARTH wrote:

syaigh wrote:Unfortunately, a lot of cultures condone child rape.

Yep and Liberals defend it with Cultural Relativism. Fact, our culture is the best.

You realize that "our culture" is barely 2 generations past marrying children being controversial but not that controversial and maybe four generations past it being acceptable, right?

What are your thoughts on Jerry Lee Lewis, Darf?

Great boogie woogie piano player, good performer, his catalogue is rather the same over and over again. I don't care so much that he was fucking and married a 14 year old backwoods girl as much as I find that she was his cousin creepy as fuck, kind of like I find Liberal icon FDR's marriage as creepy as fuck. His other cousin was a real cocksucker, Jimmy Swaggert.

You do realise adolescents were not considered children then? They were allowed to go to war, hold jobs and start their own families, not to mention life expectancy on average was not as long so you got on with life a lot sooner. The idea of adolescents being children started with the rich and privledged and slowly made it's way to the middle classes and the working classes were the last to adopt the idea of them being children.

And we are talking rag head fucking little boys here, raping them. If the boy was a teenaged faggot who liked his asshole reamed and loved munching unwashed cock, no worries.

Cultural relativism, FAIL!

"Might is right" is the mantra of the fascist. Just stop pretending that you don't dream of being a jackbooted thug with a terrified nation beneath your heel.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:"Might is right" is the mantra of the fascist. Just stop pretending that you don't dream of being a jackbooted thug with a terrified nation beneath your heel.

See that's the kind of back and forth shit you do I pointed out that made this all personal for you. I now regret editing my post because it started out both barrels but I thought " naw."

I did not say Might makes right, But I do believe Force works and has decided more shit permanently than all the mouth moving and is a better option than adopting sick ways of your enemies or letting those dedicated to crumbling your way of life hide behind the rules your society sets for it's members. I do believe that you do treat your own, your friends and your allies one way, the way you want to be, your opponents another but with honour and humanity,your adversaries slightly less and fuck your enemies completely because in the end that is always how it goes or they do it to you.

Would you really have all this fucking humanity if you heard your daughter screaming and came in her room to find some animal raping her? Fuck no you would not. You'd go from someone who shits at me for wanting this nation to use it's power to smash it's enemies quick, hard and brutal instead of fiddle fucking to being as fucking ruthless, vicious and final in your retribution as I would be and you know it.

Well that's about what a lot of our enemies want to do with us in the end. They might not have the power to bring us down now but give them a few years and a few nukes and then it goes from beating your daughter’s rapist hand to hand to he comes in and gut shoots you and makes your last moments the witnessing of the violation of all you love.

I am hard and harsh on these subjects and the way I handle threats in RL because I seek to protect what is good, kind and beautiful in my life. That which has little chance or resisting violation on it's own. When negotiations fail or there is no time violence is the best tool against violence and fuck that batman shit about giving the fucker a chance to ever try it again. I am more of a Sherman in my actual thinking than a Caesar. Not looking for a fight but if you decide to threaten or bring violence to me and mine you get much worse than you expected.

All my life it is those that espouse fair play to enemies, bleeding heart politics and the like are the first people to fuck you over when the shit goes bad and then they'll say " Well this is different". I don't do that hypocrisy. If your my friend you are my friend then you are loved and I endeavour to always treat you right but I let all know that if it goes to shit, you betray me and/or you are someone who aggresses or stand between me and mine there is no fucking quarter asked and certainly not fucking given.

I watched the high minded, bleeding hearts go feral right after Hurricane Andrew and countless other times in smaller scale and History shows a lot of the same on another scale.

"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.
War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." - W.T. Sherman.

Our leaders need to study that man, the ones who won WW2 certainly did. Our people should too, Romper Room values and outlooks are great for the playground and the family room but have no place in the running of a hegemonic nation state that can not step back from it's roll without problems. Our prosperity and overall security are tied in to our position and you do not want the Chinese, Russians or any Sand creatures stepping in that roll. We are starting to see that now. Modern Liberals should stick to civil Liberties and state and local government, where their shit has some truck to it.

DARTH wrote:You do realise adolescents were not considered children then?

How... culturally relativist of you.

No, how historical accurate of me. You wanted to compare us about 100-150 years ago to Ragheads today, and still fall short, but you suck dick so there is that.

I can see the Army bouncing the guy out of SF, where the whole job description is to play power politics with barbarians. But it's a shame to waste a man whose experience and talents could be put to good use elsewhere in the military.

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As to the big picture stuff: It's a Game of Thrones world out there. How to avoid getting your hands dirty? Obama tried to wash his hands of Iraq and up jumps ISIS in the US's absence.

We seem to have a permanent communication deficit, Darth.

I am not a 'man of peace'. I have both bled and made people bleed. I hunted extensively in my youth and have experience with firearms. I hold people whom I do not know and I am not related as less 'valuable' to me. If it came down to having to shoot someone to protect my family, I hope I can make the right decision, I've never been in that spot, though I have deliberately hurt people before.

Concurrently, I am not a 'man of war', either. I would prefer to avoid violent situations if at all possible, especially with my family around. I would rather drink a beer and swap amusing stories with most people than argue and fight with them. I am pretty easy going overall. Community matters, your neighbors, and at a huge macro level, your fellow citizens, provide a buffer of civilization around you for mutual benefit.

This makes me pretty normal, I imagine.

You guys are right. It's a filthy world out there. The 'stans used to be a sex tourism for gays who liked the rough trade. Boy rape is common across the islamic world, particularly the arab end.