acquiesce, or you're a bigot

[The Ginger Beard Man]

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index ... me_in.html
Trannies can use whatever locker room or bathroom they want. Just drop dead if you don't like it.

[Protobuilder]

Shut up and try to find a skirt that fits your big arse like the rest of us are doing.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Shut up and try to find a skirt that fits your big arse like the rest of us are doing.

nailed it...

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Funny...my old hometown. I bet that put some tits in the wringer...Midland's overall culture can best be described as "Corporate/Christian"

With seething undertones of sexual deviance, alcoholism, and drug addiction.

I don't know, the dude was in there "rocking out with his cock out" apparently, according to a friend who does go to that gym.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

The other thing...apparently the trangender was dressed like a guy, not a woman...so, I can see where there is some confusion. (so I was told)

[Kazuya Mishima]

All you cisgender assholes need to check your privilege.

[Bob Wildes]

They used to say that California was the place that all US trends started.

There were a couple of cheap theatres in San Diego in the Centre City district that were frequented by Marines, sailors and
assorted bohemians from the area. When I arrived in San Diego one of those theatres charged 50 cents for three movies.
The sign outside the ladies head stated "No Queenies allowed".

I guess California was ahead on that one.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I'm kind of sensitive and bitchy about this right now.
There's this mens AA meeting I got to regularly, and some chick who just started hormones and dresses like a dude started going. Most of the guys attitudes range between "Well if she identifies as male I don't mind" and "Can't even ask any questions about it".
Call me an asshole, but as far as I'm concerned, if you weren't born with a cock and a Y chromosome, you're not male.
I'm generally a "do what you want, live and let live" kind of guy. But I think letting a trans into a gender specific place is too much.

[syaigh]

I'm kind of sensitive and bitchy about this right now.
There's this mens AA meeting I got to regularly, and some chick who just started hormones and dresses like a dude started going. Most of the guys attitudes range between "Well if she identifies as male I don't mind" and "Can't even ask any questions about it".
Call me an asshole, but as far as I'm concerned, if you weren't born with a cock and a Y chromosome, you're not male.
I'm generally a "do what you want, live and let live" kind of guy. But I think letting a trans into a gender specific place is too much.

I kind of agree.

And I'm all about live and let live.

I would not want some broad shouldered, cock-brandishing chick hanging out in my locker room. Most gyms have private changing rooms and showers for those who don't want to share. If you have a cock, stay in the cocks-only dressing room. If you have both sets of hardware, well, that's a different story.

[Protobuilder]

Perhaps I don't understand this issue.

I think it's fine if a man wants to dress as a woman and vice versa whatever that even means. I know several of you who like the feeling of frilly lace on your asses. I used to know a drag queen and the practice was to refer to him as a man when he was dressed as a man and as a woman when he was in costume.

I am 100% in favor of gay marriage and can think of no logical argument against it.

If somebody wants to go through hormones and surgery and officially change their legal status, I'm cool with that as well. It feels odd but I don't really care. Actually, I would be in favor of co-ed restrooms if women didn't take so damn much time in them.

However, simply declaring that you feel that you are another gender and want others to change things for you is something I don't understand. I can legally change my name to Juan Reyes and get a Mexican passport but that doesn't make me Hispanic. If a kid said they've always felt they were black and decided to check that box on college admissions forms to get a minority scholarship would people be fine with it? Could I declare myself a senior citizen so I can get discount tickets at the theater because I feel really old that day?

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I'm pretty much with you.
The whole notion of somebody feeling that they are somehow trapped in the wrong body seems strange to me, but I don't care much about the choices other people make.
That doesn't mean I should have to change anything to suit you. I made the argument about saying "I identify as African American" myself, and the guys I was talking too just sort of pretended not to hear it.
It's nothing like homosexuality. Men have fucked men for as long as there have been men. . Now we seem unclear on what a man is, or if men even exist.
Either gender is biological fact (chromosomes and genitals) or it is a social construct. You can't have it both ways.
If you have a dick, stay out of the women's locker room.
I hope that's not too micro aggressive.

[ccrow]

I was thinking they should just make rest rooms and locker rooms only big enough for one person at a time, but even then I wouldn't always be comfortable with the company in there.

[Grandpa's Spells]

If somebody wants to go through hormones and surgery and officially change their legal status, I'm cool with that as well. It feels odd but I don't really care. Actually, I would be in favor of co-ed restrooms if women didn't take so damn much time in them.

However, simply declaring that you feel that you are another gender and want others to change things for you is something I don't understand.

Agreed. I suspect in this case there may be two sides of assholia. The lady was bringing this up daily with people in the locker room, enough to attract complaints about her. I think that if some "obviously not transitioning" lumberjack started hanging out in the ladies room, you wouldn't have only one lady complaining, and let alone people complaining about the complainer. Something's weird.

[Kazuya Mishima]

The moral of the story is pretty clear. Stay the fuck out of Planet Fitness because it is the living embodiment of everything that is going wrong with America.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

There needs to be a dick room and a no-dick room.

Solves all the problems.

[Kazuya Mishima]

IN A KAZ RUN AMERIKA (KRA) ALL OF THIS CONTROVERSY WOULD BE AVOIDED BY HAVING A FOUR LOCKER ROOM SYSTEM. ONE FOR MEN, ONE FOR WOMEN, ONE FOR JEWS NIGGERS AND MESSICANS, AND ONE FOR FAGGOTZ.

[Turdacious]

In DC, not having gender neutral bathrooms is a human rights violation.

[Grandpa's Spells]

In DC, not having gender neutral bathrooms is a human rights violation.

They're talking about having single toilet bathrooms be gender neutral. OH NOES!

[Turdacious]

In DC, not having gender neutral bathrooms is a human rights violation.

They're talking about having single toilet bathrooms be gender neutral. OH NOES!

I assumed that it would be a bigger problem for those who sit to pee. Apparently I was wrong...

[Batboy2/75]

The real comedy gold will start when male to female transgender "things" start demanding spots on female only sports teams.

The New York Times recently had a story on a current Harvard female swimmer that had sex reassignment surgery and plans on swimming on the male team next year. The dudes on the men's team didn't give two shits. It was a non issue; mostly because "it" wasn't a threat to any of the men on the Team. No one was losing a scholarship and or position.

We all know that story would have been different if it was dude that became a chick and wanted to swim on the girls team. This is the shoe I'm waiting to see drop. If sex is defined by how the person feels. It won't be long until a some guy (reassigned sexually or not) is going to demand a place on a woman's sports team; then watch the sparks fly.

There was also a recent story about a male transgender fighting in female MMA fights. The video I saw was comical. Even lacking a balls, the former male dismembered the female MMA fighter.

Like I stated; things are going to be comical when two liberal special victims groups collide.

[TerryB]

Perhaps I don't understand this issue.

I think it's fine if a man wants to dress as a woman and vice versa whatever that even means. I know several of you who like the feeling of frilly lace on your asses. I used to know a drag queen and the practice was to refer to him as a man when he was dressed as a man and as a woman when he was in costume.

I am 100% in favor of gay marriage and can think of no logical argument against it.

If somebody wants to go through hormones and surgery and officially change their legal status, I'm cool with that as well. It feels odd but I don't really care. Actually, I would be in favor of co-ed restrooms if women didn't take so damn much time in them.

However, simply declaring that you feel that you are another gender and want others to change things for you is something I don't understand. I can legally change my name to Juan Reyes and get a Mexican passport but that doesn't make me Hispanic. If a kid said they've always felt they were black and decided to check that box on college admissions forms to get a minority scholarship would people be fine with it? Could I declare myself a senior citizen so I can get discount tickets at the theater because I feel really old that day?

It's all very logical if you think about it.

If you're a member of the privileged group (white), you can't do anything that would increase your power or moral authority (i.e., you can't "change" from victimizer to victim). This is why Jenner can change into a woman--he went from victimizer (white, male, athlete, probable rapist) to victim (woman/trans).

But if you're a member of the disenfranchised, powerless, victimized groups (meaning, everyone else), you can do whatever you want, however you want, to increase your power/moral authority.

[Blaidd Drwg]

We got a new lifter at the gym. Trans dude? was a women, now a dude, identfies as teh ghey. So..still...he has a pussy and gets fucked by penises..He takes a ton of test. It seems complicated.

We address this within our little micro-culture by NOTGIVINGASINGLEFUCK. I recommend instituting this increasingly rare American value.

[DrDonkeyLove]

In DC, not having gender neutral bathrooms is a human rights violation.

I was in San Fran a few weeks ago and noticed that the majority of restaurants & bars I visited lacked men's/women's rooms and just had several single seat heads for any and everyone. I assumed that ownership felt it was too much trouble to set gender rules in such a gender blender town. Better to invest a few grand in extra heads and avoid hassle.

[Protobuilder]

I refuse to give up this last vestige of male privilege. I mean, seriously, have you seen the lines out of women's restrooms when you go out?