nafod wrote: Trump didn't know Crimea was annexed, his campaign manager was tied directly to pro Russian Ukrainians, he has business dealings in Russia hidden behind his tax returns, Flynn has hung out with RT news, and just so many more weird connections that have never been seen before.
Good grief, and you were discussing evidentiary standards and burdens of proof just a few pages ago.
So far have we fallen, dear nafod! Go read a book you sick fuckk!
the poor trumpettes are going to have difficulty with this business of the russian hack. they'll try to discredit the story, throw other shiny objects in the air to attract attention, offer some competing conspiracy theory, slander those who discuss the subject, and point out various cia flaws to suggest the agency could not possibly know anything.
but you know in your heart, you'd love to see what is in the trump team's emails.
I wouldn't mind at all. Russia could be behind the hacks or leaks or whatever. They are fighters and have been in a de facto war with us for a very long time.
And the claimants should offer more evidence than off the record allegations made by the CIA which even they admit are supported by no direct evidence.
The more interesting questions are:
are the CIA/DoD/NSA/State and the FBI in a civil war over Foreign Policy?
nafod wrote: Trump didn't know Crimea was annexed, his campaign manager was tied directly to pro Russian Ukrainians, he has business dealings in Russia hidden behind his tax returns, Flynn has hung out with RT news, and just so many more weird connections that have never been seen before.
Good grief, and you were discussing evidentiary standards and burdens of proof just a few pages ago.
So far have we fallen, dear nafod! Go read a book you sick fuckk!
the poor trumpettes are going to have difficulty with this business of the russian hack. they'll try to discredit the story, throw other shiny objects in the air to attract attention, offer some competing conspiracy theory, slander those who discuss the subject, and point out various cia flaws to suggest the agency could not possibly know anything.
but you know in your heart, you'd love to see what is in the trump team's emails.
The more interesting questions are:
are the CIA/DoD/NSA/State and the FBI in a civil war over Foreign Policy?
Did they intervene in the elections as well?
thank you for offering a competing conspiracy theory and confirming my point
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
nafod wrote: Trump didn't know Crimea was annexed, his campaign manager was tied directly to pro Russian Ukrainians, he has business dealings in Russia hidden behind his tax returns, Flynn has hung out with RT news, and just so many more weird connections that have never been seen before.
Good grief, and you were discussing evidentiary standards and burdens of proof just a few pages ago.
So far have we fallen, dear nafod! Go read a book you sick fuckk!
Uhhh, this evidence (Trump's ignorance, Manafort's previous job, Flynn posing with Vlad, Trump business with Russian oligarchs) is all known. No need to send a yahoo with an AR to look for hidden tunnels.
Hey, the Intel community states with high confidence the commies hacked both dems and repubs, but only released the dem emails.
Wonder what is in the republican emails? Blackmail-worthy?
nafod wrote:Donk, Trump didn't know Crimea was annexed...
In Trump's defense, he may have thought that Crimea was one of Melania's cousins.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
the poor trumpettes are going to have difficulty with this business of the russian hack. they'll try to discredit the story, throw other shiny objects in the air to attract attention, offer some competing conspiracy theory, slander those who discuss the subject, and point out various cia flaws to suggest the agency could not possibly know anything.
the poor trumpettes are going to have difficulty with this business of the russian hack. they'll try to discredit the story, throw other shiny objects in the air to attract attention, offer some competing conspiracy theory, slander those who discuss the subject, and point out various cia flaws to suggest the agency could not possibly know anything.
How dare they influence our election with facts!
are you saying that it's a good thing for a foreign government steal information from private servers in the united states? (i know, you're a member of the edward snowden fan club)
and if getting out the "facts" is positive, why is bleach-blonde don denying the whole business?
i'm sure we're all looking forward to the release of republican emails.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
There is no definitive proof it was the Russians. We could make a list of all he things the CIA has lied about, and we would still be typing when the world ended. "We didn't import cocaine into the U.S. to fund an illegal war in Central America", "We didn't organize the torture of people in Abu Gharab (sp)", "Iraq has WMDs". It is equally likely, and the story has been floated since the summer, that there was a U.S. intelligence coup against Clinton and they are blaming it on the Russians.
I have mixed feelings about a foreign Government stealing info from a private server, if this is what actually happened. I don't like the manner in which it occurred, but the exposure of the truth, of the corruption and manipulation of the people who try to run our lives is a higher good. Especially things like the exposure of the absolute compromise of the 4th Estate.
You can Cherry Pick all you want. I would actually love to see the dirt on Fox. I doubt any of those three organizations were sending their stories to Trump for approval or editing as CNN, Politico, CNBC, and the New York Times did with Clinton.
I forgot. Fox was massively Anti-Trump until they realized it would be a prudent business decision to jump on the bandwagon because the winds were blowing against them.
tonkadtx wrote:I forgot. Fox was massively Anti-Trump until they realized it would be a prudent business decision to jump on the bandwagon because the winds were blowing against them.
massively. epically. tidal-wavily.
especially hannity. couldn't abide trump. then did a complete reversal.
totally.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
Fake, obviously. We are on a big flat disk, on the back of four elephants, walking continuously in a circle on a giant cosmic turtle's back. #flatearthtruthers
It's good that we finally got to see proof that the MSM and Dems are fuck buddies. It's good that we learned how easy it is to hack.
It's bad that the (insert villain here) tried to corrupt our election. It's bad that we didn't get to see how corrupt the Repugs are this time. Maybe in 2020?
It's hilarious that the MSM & Dems are beside themselves over this. Most of what was hacked from the DNC was one step above sleazy business as usual gossip.
I don't remember 1% of this outrage when the Chinese hacked the Office of Personnel Management of critical & secure military personnel documents a year ago. MSM got quiet about that real fast.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
DrDonkeyLove wrote:Most of what was hacked from the DNC was one step above sleazy business as usual gossip.
true.
it reminds me of the nixon tapes. there was so much petty shit on them, but people were aghast. i recall saying that i was glad my office wasn't bugged because i've never been appropriately restrained.
i don't know that a republican hack would show us anything we can't guess at, but the fact that you would see it and not have to guess at it would be refreshing. both parties would be nekkid. not a pretty sight.
Really Big Strong Guy: There are a plethora of psychopaths among us.
