Are We Being Played By Pundits?

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Re: Are We Being Played By Pundits?

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Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Kenny X wrote:
TomFurman wrote:
In high school I trained Muay Thai with two Ffx. Co. cops. Officer Joe Morton gave me some advice that has endured to this day- "Cooperate. Be polite. Be honest even if you have a dead hooker and a kilo of heroin in your trunk."
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Shit advice.

Don;t speak to the police. Hand them your ID and shut your fuckin mouth.

A cops' first objective is to figure out what the fuck is going on...then decide if he needs to control the scene. To do this he will use humor, cleverness, congeniality, violence, empty threats illegal force, lies, intimidation and probably the most effective of all...He'll just ask you.

Do not be the fuck up that assumes the police are there to help YOU.We have an adversarial justice system of which the Police are on the front line. They don't trust what you have to say, do not trust what they have to say and Never Ever Ever speak to the fucking police. Cooperate silently, give them id, remain passive as you would with an untrustworthy dog. But only ever speak as a very last resort..and only then at little as possible.
Clam up. Cooperate peacefully and silently. I cannot argue that that's definitely sound advice for 99.9% of motherfuckers out there, for sure.

For me, a dude who hasn't committed a felony, who doesn't have drugs in the car, who isn't driving drunk, etc. but may have been driving with a busted tail light, or speeding, I've been okay. I'm good with people.

Last time I got pulled over was for speeding. Egregiously. The officer and I had a polite conversation, albeit after he assessed that I wasn't a threat. He handed me a hefty ticket, and said, and I quote: "Go to court. You didn't give me any trouble at all. Go to court. We can get this reduced."

I showed up to court, met with the officer again, and BOOM! my 20 mph. over violation was reduced to, if I remember correctly, 10 mph over and no points on my license. He told the judge I was cool, that's what he recommended, that's what I got. Could've been a lot worse.

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Re: Are We Being Played By Pundits?

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Blaidd Drwg wrote: Shit advice.

Don;t speak to the police. Hand them your ID and shut your fuckin mouth.

A cops' first objective is to figure out what the fuck is going on...then decide if he needs to control the scene. To do this he will use humor, cleverness, congeniality, violence, empty threats illegal force, lies, intimidation and probably the most effective of all...He'll just ask you.

Do not be the fuck up that assumes the police are there to help YOU.We have an adversarial justice system of which the Police are on the front line. They don't trust what you have to say, do not trust what they have to say and Never Ever Ever speak to the fucking police. Cooperate silently, give them id, remain passive as you would with an untrustworthy dog. But only ever speak as a very last resort..and only then at little as possible.
That's one hundred percent correct. Whatever smart and intelligent thing you are about to say they heard it three hundred times before (it is in the first chapter of their study book anyway). "Anything you say can be used against you" - no doubt. A careless word, a joke or a smart ass remark - all can get you in trouble. The main goal of the police job is to get convictions. And they know how to get them. Keeping your mouth shut is the best option (as in most other situations in life in fact).
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