Bye Bye Sarkozy!

[cleaner464]

Cromwell was a piece of shit. You might as well say that you admire Hitler, if you're going to bring him up positively.

[DARTH]

Cromwell was a piece of shit. You might as well say that you admire Hitler, if you're going to bring him up positively.

Despite YID's hate I have met a few Brits whotake a more complicated veiw of his time and several Brit historians including the very liberal Simon Shama speaks almost admiringly of him.

Much like many respectable and good people talk about Napolian in glowing terms when many would look at him as an anti-christ. Caesar is such a figure as well, but he and Jesus H. Christ are probably the most known and widely admired historical figures.

People very might do the same with Hitler in another 100 years? Not that I agree but the aforementioned bears that out.

My point is that a Cromwell would deal with the Islamification of the UK. It's a blight on that great nations past accomplishments for itself and the world and needs to be knocked the fuck down.

[Yes, I'm drunk]

Cromwell was a piece of shit. You might as well say that you admire Hitler, if you're going to bring him up positively.

Despite YID's hate I have met a few Brits whotake a more complicated veiw of his time and several Brit historians including the very liberal Simon Shama speaks almost admiringly of him.

I don't really "hate" Cromwell so much, and I thought I acknowledged the complexity of his historical legacy when I wrote:

It is a complex point, but.....

Schama's a loyal Jew, and therefore he's congenitally susceptible to admiring and sympathizing with those historical figures who commit genocidal massacres on wholly innocent populations. Cleaner's comparison to Hitler is, in this respect, both justified and, in Schama's case, unfortunately ironic.....

[DARTH]

He did make the point that Cromwell was good to the Jews in England.

Still I do admit I am not up on Cromwell as I am Elizabeth the First, Alfred the Great, Wellington, Churchill or David Sterling.

[cleaner464]

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/cr ... ngland.htm

http://www.rhettaakamatsu.com/irishslaves.htm

[Yes, I'm drunk]

It was mentioned on the TF about a case in the UK where 9 Asian guys have just been convicted of "street grooming" young white girls so that the depraved monsters could rape and abuse them at will.

The first thing to note here, and this is pretty significant, is that the BNP - British National Party - was warning people about this over 10 years ago. If you're not aware, the BNP is considered a far-right party over here, and they are portrayed in the media as thuggish fascists and the like. In fact, it is illegal to belong to the police force and, I think, the military, if you belong to them. Because of this, when they first raised the issue of young white girls being groomed for rape by the Pakistani men they were roundly condemned as scaremongering and stoking racial division. This feeling persisted - until yesterday.

Now all the media outlets - TV, radio, print - are asking whether this really is an issue that is specially focused on Muslim men. Interestingly a lot, and I mean a lot, of Pakistani community leaders have come out and said yes! So for all those years when the BNP were saying this was the case, they were accused of racism, but suddenly now it's all coming out in the wash. The forces of the left-wing have prevented discussion on this topic for over a decade, all the while these poor girls were being raped and pimped around these disgusting Paki beasts.

This is a real-life example where political correctness has stifled proper discussion on an issue and has led directly to the continued perpetration of criminal acts against innocent children. I predict this could be a turning point in the consciousness of the United Kingdom, where decent white-folk can no longer bury their heads in respect to the barbaric actions against our own kind from the perverted lusts of those who practice "the religion of peace".....

[baffled]

How is the UKIP viewed over there? I think Nigel Farage has ripped the EU pretty well. His takedown of Van Rompuy a couple years ago was pretty funny, IMHO.

What's their take on these issues?

[The Ginger Beard Man]

No, unknown has a point. The West is totally at odds with its own values on this. On the one hand, we see that Islam is incompatible with democratic freedoms, and on the other hand, we see that to attack a group which identifies as a religion (despite its political objectives) is contrary to our values. So it's an ugly choice, and one which it is difficult to form a consensus about.

I seem to remember reading, shortly after 9/11, an opinion piece somewhere that made the point that the US had already waged war on the only people in the west who really knew how to deal with the Muslims. I wish I could remember more clearly.
Alexander Cockburns name sticks in my head. I believe his column was in NY Press at the time.
I hate to advocate genocide, but it's not something I want to be on the wrong end of, and it sometimes seems inevitable.
And let me say very clearly, I hate Islam. More than I hate any individual Muslims I've met.

[Yes, I'm drunk]

How is the UKIP viewed over there? I think Nigel Farage has ripped the EU pretty well. His takedown of Van Rompuy a couple years ago was pretty funny, IMHO.

What's their take on these issues?

In essence they're a single-issue party, that issue being our imminent need to get out of the EU. Slowly, very slowly, the two main parties of the left (Labour) and the right (Conservative) are coming round to this fact, not least because the possible collapse of the Euro currency would rain a shit-storm down on those exposed to European financial liabilities.

But, in reality, they're not serious contenders. They pick up mainly protest votes from the Conservative hoards who are disgruntled with their own party and need an outlet.

[baffled]

How is the UKIP viewed over there? I think Nigel Farage has ripped the EU pretty well. His takedown of Van Rompuy a couple years ago was pretty funny, IMHO.

What's their take on these issues?

In essence they're a single-issue party, that issue being our imminent need to get out of the EU. Slowly, very slowly, the two main parties of the left (Labour) and the right (Conservative) are coming round to this fact, not least because the possible collapse of the Euro currency would rain a shit-storm down on those exposed to European financial liabilities.

But, in reality, they're not serious contenders. They pick up mainly protest votes from the Conservative hoards who are disgruntled with their own party and need an outlet.

I see. Well, at least their videos on YouTube ripping EU members are pretty funny. Farage gives less of a fuck than nearly any other politician I'm aware of. Even if you don't agree with him, his ability to troll the European Parliament is noteworthy.

[Yes, I'm drunk]

How is the UKIP viewed over there? I think Nigel Farage has ripped the EU pretty well. His takedown of Van Rompuy a couple years ago was pretty funny, IMHO.

What's their take on these issues?

In essence they're a single-issue party, that issue being our imminent need to get out of the EU. Slowly, very slowly, the two main parties of the left (Labour) and the right (Conservative) are coming round to this fact, not least because the possible collapse of the Euro currency would rain a shit-storm down on those exposed to European financial liabilities.

But, in reality, they're not serious contenders. They pick up mainly protest votes from the Conservative hoards who are disgruntled with their own party and need an outlet.

I see. Well, at least their videos on YouTube ripping EU members are pretty funny. Farage gives less of a fuck than nearly any other politician I'm aware of. Even if you don't agree with him, his ability to troll the European Parliament is noteworthy.

They're quite an eccentric group of fellows, are the UKIP.

Interestingly, the (in)famous climate change skeptic Lord Monckton is a member. Make of that what you will

[baffled]

I see. Just watched a few interviews with him. Seems like a reasonable and balanced fellow.