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I don't know how vast.

Seriously & ironically, now that there's a sex angle to this, Benghazi may get proper coverage.


By Michael Isikoff, NBC News
After investigating a potential case of "cyber-harassment" for several months, the FBI wrapped up its case after interviewing Paula Broadwell -- the biographer of former CIA director David Petraeus -- on Friday, Nov. 2, four days before the presidential election, a senior U.S. law enforcement official told NBC News.
It was the second time that FBI agents had questioned Broadwell in the probe and during both interviews she acknowledged having had an affair with Petraeus, the official said. Petraeus himself had been questioned a few days earlier and also acknowledged the affair, the first official said.
The dual interviews the week of Oct. 29 -- among the last to be conducted by the FBI in the case -- allowed the FBI to formally conclude there was no basis for criminal charges in the matter. This explains why the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper wasn't told about the probe until the following Tuesday, Nov. 6, election day, the official said.



The official offered new details about the FBI investigation -- and a more precise timeline of key events-- in order to rebut suggestions that senior law enforcement officials held back key information about the Petraeus matter until after the election.
The FBI and Justice Department's decisions on the case were not governed by the political calendar, the official asserted. Nor, the official said, were they influenced by a phone call from House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's office to the FBI on Oct. 31 asserting that it had heard from a FBI whistleblower who raised concerns that the Petraeus matter was being covered up or not being taken seriously.

Lawmakers question timing of Petraeus resignation
"I was contacted by an FBI employee concerned that sensitive, classified information may have been compromised and made certain (FBI Director Robert) Mueller was aware of these serious allegations and the potential risk to our national security,” Cantor said in a statement.
According to reporting by NBC’s chief justice correspondent Pete Williams, a senior law enforcement official said a call to a congressional staffer came from an agent who was initially involved in the investigation but who was later removed from the case because he knew an associate of one of the people being investigated. The agent knew someone on the Hill and called that person, a Republican staffer, according to the official. But that phone call had no effect on either the course of the investigation, the involvement of Mueller -- who was following it closely long before Cantor called him -- or the decision to notify Clapper, the official says.
"This had nothing to do with the election," the official said. Moreover the official added, Cantor's office was told that the case was being actively investigated by the FBI when it raised the matter on Oct. 31, and so it would have been wrong for the FBI or Justice Department to inform higher level officials in the administration about the probe earlier -- because they were unsure at that point what they were dealing with. In the end, according to multiple officials, investigators determined there was no criminal wrongdoing.

The woman who complained of being harassed by Paula Broadwell, General David Petraeus' biographer, has been identified as Jill Kelley, 37, a senior official tells NBC News. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.



According to the senior official, the investigation began several months ago when a woman reported to the FBI she had received anonymous-- and harassing -- emails from a person she didn't know. Multiple government officials tell NBC News that the woman was Jill Kelley, who lives in Tampa, Florida. Kelley and her husband, officials say, are close friends of the Petraeus family. Kelley was a volunteer social liaison to the MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa.
The FBI viewed the matter as a potential case of "cyber-harassment" and it was handled "regionally" with federal prosecutors working with the FBI on the matter, the official said. At first, neither Kelley nor the FBI knew who was sending the harassing emails-- because they came from accounts that were not immediately identifiable. But the FBI was eventually able to determine they came from Broadwell and then obtained access to her regular email account. It was only then that the FBI discovered, through her email exchanges with Petraeus, an apparent relationship between the two of them, the official said.
The FBI continued investigating the matter and was close to wrapping up the case late in October, the official said. Agents finally interviewed Petraeus the week of Oct. 29 and then re-interviewed Broadwell, allowing them to complete their investigation, according to multiple officials. It was only at that point that the decision was made to pass along information about the case to Clapper, the senior law enforcement official said, setting in motion the chain of events that led to Petraeus' resignation.
If infidelity risks blackmail & the loss of secrets, it is astounding that the FBI didn't notify DNI Clapper until Nov. 6. This involves the head of the CIA.
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Jill Kelley, the "other" other woman in this affair.
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In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
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Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
It does matter when your ambassador is raped and murdered, three other personnel are killed, and US territory is over run. As a person who has worked in that part of the world and understands the forces that should have been available and the tactics involved involved in responding to an incident like Benghazi; Leon Penetta is a lying scum bag.

There is more to Benghazi than has come out. Ask yourself this, why was our ambassador in Benghazi to begin with and why was he meeting with a representative of the Turkish Government just before he was ambushed?

I also find it hilarious that the free speech warriors are absolutely silent about imprisonment of a film maker, who only crime is being a dumb ass. It's his poor luck that he isn't a black criminal. If he was, UC Berkley idiots would probably be protesting for his release. Instead he insulted the poor defenseless worshippers of a ignorant pedophile scam artist for 8th century. God forbid we tell the savages to go fuck themselves.

The real cover up is how the administration allowed the criminally incompetent BATF to give Narco-terrorist thousand of firearms with absolutely no method of tracking and control. But fuck that shit, nothing to see here. What's the worse that could happen if Mexico suffers a complete collapse?
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Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
They overran and destroyed our consulate, i.e., our national territory. They killed the direct emissary of the President, the Ambassador. They specifically did it on 11 September, as a massive "fuck you, you haven't won shit yet" to us.

But, good question.
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On benghazi. So no one knew anything about a 4 plane coordinated multi city strike into the heart of America. But benghazi, there was chatter

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Benghazi could have been a huge black eye for the Administration, calling into question why Obama replaced a defanged viper with a mob of Islamic whackos. Played differently, it could have hurt him politically. Did the Obama administration pump out a week's worth of lies/disinformation to cover up the debacle...to kick the can down the road past the election?
On a more micro level, why was the consulate so vulnerable? Who decided, against security's advice, to reduce security teams in Benghazi? Obama's family Labradoodle probably has more security than the Benghazi consulate did.
Was there a Quick Reaction Force staged in Italy? If not, why not?
All of these questions, and more, speak to incompetence, so were perhaps covered up.
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Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
They overran and destroyed our consulate, i.e., our national territory. They killed the direct emissary of the President, the Ambassador. They specifically did it on 11 September, as a massive "fuck you, you haven't won shit yet" to us.

But, good question.
I think you make a very good rebuttal, and it made me think, which I hate to do.

That said, I disagree that it needs to be cast in that light and it is symbolic thinking. We know why things were the way they were, we know what factors led to it, and we know that there is very little latitude in our response if we hope to avoid a Somalia-by-the-Mediterranean. I'm not saying that this wasn't bungled mind you, but we know why, and we know what to do about it (hint: kill, quietly).

Also, consulates are not extraterritorial, contrary to popular belief.
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Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
They overran and destroyed our consulate, i.e., our national territory. They killed the direct emissary of the President, the Ambassador. They specifically did it on 11 September, as a massive "fuck you, you haven't won shit yet" to us.

But, good question.
I think you make a very good rebuttal, and it made me think, which I hate to do.

That said, I disagree that it needs to be cast in that light and it is symbolic thinking. We know why things were the way they were, we know what factors led to it, and we know that there is very little latitude in our response if we hope to avoid a Somalia-by-the-Mediterranean. I'm not saying that this wasn't bungled mind you, but we know why, and we know what to do about it (hint: kill, quietly).

Also, consulates are not extraterritorial, contrary to popular belief.
Why he would travel away from the embassy given the threat level is a question that will be asked, and should be.
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Turdacious wrote:
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Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
They overran and destroyed our consulate, i.e., our national territory. They killed the direct emissary of the President, the Ambassador. They specifically did it on 11 September, as a massive "fuck you, you haven't won shit yet" to us.

But, good question.
I think you make a very good rebuttal, and it made me think, which I hate to do.

That said, I disagree that it needs to be cast in that light and it is symbolic thinking. We know why things were the way they were, we know what factors led to it, and we know that there is very little latitude in our response if we hope to avoid a Somalia-by-the-Mediterranean. I'm not saying that this wasn't bungled mind you, but we know why, and we know what to do about it (hint: kill, quietly).

Also, consulates are not extraterritorial, contrary to popular belief.
Why he would travel away from the embassy given the threat level is a question that will be asked, and should be.
Are you stupid or something? I have told you, there was no embassy. It was a diplomatic mission--a consulate--and "travel away" is what ambassadors do.
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Hahahahaha, oh this is getting quite amazing.

Starting at mid-point of this article, we find the FBI agent who initiated the investigation was a guy who was friends with Jill Kelley (the other other woman) and wanted to bang her, so when she complained about the emails he started the process. No connection himself to the cyber crimes division. Over the course of the investigation he sent her shirtless pictures of himself, got so obsessed with the case his superiors had to tell him to back off, and after that went to Eric Cantor because he was convinced poor Kelley's case was being stalled to protect Obama, or something, and he was still trying to bang her.

Meanwhile, while it is not determined whether Kelley was actually banging Petreaus it appears she was banging General Allen, commander of American and NATO troops in Afghanistan.
According to a senior U.S. defense official, the FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” e-mails between Allen and Jill Kelley, a 37-year-old Tampa woman whose close friendship with Petraeus ultimately led to his downfall. Allen, a Marine, succeeded Petraeus as the top allied commander in Afghanistan in July 2011.
In summary:
Petreaus banged Broadwell, who felt threatened by Kelley, who was banging General Allen, may have banged Petreaus and was pursued by an FBI agent, who sent her shirtless pictures and initiated and attempted to micromanage the entire investigation despite it being outside his division in an attempt to impress her.

Is there a secret cabal of upper-middle-class housewives who are groupies for military people?


Regarding Ambassador Stevens's excursions, he was well-known and beloved by Libyans for getting out into the community and directly interacting with locals. It was what made him so effective as an ambassador.


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I'd hit it wrote:Is there a secret cabal of upper-middle-class housewives who are groupies for military people?
Yes indeed there is. That is obviously.
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So, two women, two generals, and an FBI agent. Its a love pentagon. :)
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Wow, 2 chicks. I had figured he was a rope sucker. Well, he's probably on the down low.
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syaigh wrote:So, two women, two generals, and an FBI agent. Its a love pentagon. :)
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Allen's denying any impropriety.
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:Allen's denying any impropriety.

I don't think I've sent my wife 10 e-mails in our entire marriage, let alone 20,000 of them.

Let's ask General Allen's wife if she think 20,000 e-mails to a socialite is improper. I'm sure she feels differently then the General.
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Where the fuck is Slick Willie to tell us a little Sex on the side is no big issue.
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:Allen's denying any impropriety.

I don't think I've sent my wife 10 e-mails in our entire marriage, let alone 20,000 of them.

Let's ask General Allen's wife if she think 20,000 e-mails to a socialite is improper. I'm sure she feels differently then the General.
He's denying the 20,000 pages of emails, too (and since when are emails measured in pages?). The article's description of “potentially inappropriate emails” is pretty vague.

Given the fact that he's flatly denying it despite knowing they have access to his email, somebody may be overreaching.
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Batboy2/75 wrote:Where the fuck is Slick Willie to tell us a little Sex on the side is no big issue.
Not far from Jill Kelley is my guess.
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Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Batboy2/75 wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Allen's denying any impropriety.

I don't think I've sent my wife 10 e-mails in our entire marriage, let alone 20,000 of them.

Let's ask General Allen's wife if she think 20,000 e-mails to a socialite is improper. I'm sure she feels differently then the General.
He's denying the 20,000 pages of emails, too (and since when are emails measured in pages?). The article's description of “potentially inappropriate emails” is pretty vague.

Given the fact that he's flatly denying it despite knowing they have access to his email, somebody may be overreaching.
Gen. Allen knows which rules he could be punished under, and what the consequences. Given the public nature of the accusations, the whole thing could go in a lot of directions.

This thing could get crazy once the politicians get involved-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profumo_Affair

Three straight theater commanders (McCrystal, Petraeus, and Allen)-- whether the latter two are guilty or not, this is incredibly bad.
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Andy79 wrote:
I'd hit it wrote:Is there a secret cabal of upper-middle-class housewives who are groupies for military people?
Yes indeed there is. That is obviously.

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nafod wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:In all truth, I don't see why Benghazi is such a big deal aside from the desire of the right-wing to vilify the present administration. So we lost what, three guys? Diplomatic work in warzones is inherently dangerous. Did they fuck it up? Sure. Does it matter? Not really.
They overran and destroyed our consulate, i.e., our national territory. They killed the direct emissary of the President, the Ambassador. They specifically did it on 11 September, as a massive "fuck you, you haven't won shit yet" to us.

But, good question.
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With a 24/7 news cycle, it’s downright impossible for reporters to avoid making mistakes. But–especially when lifting something from the internet–sometimes a little fact checking goes a long way.

America Blog reports that during a segment about former CIA director David Petraeus’ mistress Paula Broadwell, ABC Denver accidentally reported the title of the biography she penned about her lover as All Up In My Snatch. An accompanying video shows a snapshot of the Photoshopped book, undoubtedly lifted from the internet, being flashed on the screen following a clip of Ms. Broadwell speaking about Mr. Petraeus. The actual title of the book is All In.
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