ebola quarantine--governmental overreach?

[nafod]

It also doesn't help that the Administration and the CDC are both incompetent in handling such a small outbreak. One would think the administration would have learned something from the Bush Administration...

This really does echo of Katrina. In both cases, when you open up the rules and regulations much of the policy and response is supposed to be controlled at the state level, yet everyone immediately turns to the federal level.

[Pinky]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

And they were dealing with someone who actually had symptoms of Ebola and was known to be contagious. None of the people that Turd and certain poll-obsessed politicians want to lock up are thought to be contagious.

No one is disputing the wisdom of isolating symptomatic people who might spread Ebola. The disagreement is over the treatment of people who are not known to be sick.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

There was reporter in NYC last week who said if you don't want Ebola, then don't eat the feces of someone who is infected.
Pinky is right, the only way to get a handle on this is for westerners to do something about it.
But there are people on all sides of this who are playing fast and loose with the facts and pushing an agenda. Any of our doctors want to say something about this?
It seems to me that a little common sense would dictate staying at home for a few days, as a precaution.
And anyone who has never ridden a subway in NY, I don't really care what you say.
Anyone who has, and says I can't come in contact with infected mucous, go fuck yourself. I see people sneezing and spitting in the subway system every damn day. Not to mention the occasional human feces on display.

[dead man walking]

out of a dire situation, good emerges: the sexy ebola nurse costume, just in time for halloween.

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/sexy-eb ... d=26484278

[Turdacious]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

For that to be true, they had to have not followed hospital protocol. I've seen no evidence of that. Nurses don't run things at hospitals.

[Turdacious]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

And they were dealing with someone who actually had symptoms of Ebola and was known to be contagious. None of the people that Turd and certain poll-obsessed politicians want to lock up are thought to be contagious.

No one is disputing the wisdom of isolating symptomatic people who might spread Ebola. The disagreement is over the treatment of people who are not known to be sick.

You're assuming that pre-symptomatic people are not at risk to themselves or others, and that people can be trusted to be responsible in these situations. Both are unreasonable assumptions.

And you seem to have forgotten what it's like to ride the METRO during peak times.

[Batboy2/75]

The US Army just announced that soldiers deployed to Liberia are going to be quarantined.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-army-qu ... d=26486775

So what is it? Quarantine with symptoms or just quarantine? I'd like to know what the Administration knows that they would contradict themselves when dealing with US troops vs Health workers with Doctors Without Borders? If they are erring on the side of caution with the US military, then why not err on the side of caution with volunteers returning from West Africa? Or how about some consistency and just drop the plans for quarantining US troops?

These are fair questions. However, I don't expect to get any adult answers any time soon.

[Pinky]

You're assuming that pre-symptomatic people are not at risk to themselves or others, and that people can be trusted to be responsible in these situations. Both are unreasonable assumptions.

And you seem to have forgotten what it's like to ride the METRO during peak times.

There are no known cases of an asymptomatic person transmitting Ebola, and all experts in the field say that such transmission is not consistent with what they know about the disease. It's possible that the virus has mutated, the experts have underestimated something, or that Dr. Feelgood sneezed death onto a handrail before he noticed his first symptoms. But the people telling us that the risks faced by not quarantining returning healthcare workers is low also know those things are possible. The fact that every uninformed jackass in the country is sitting around speculating about the transmission and mutation of viruses should have no effect on anyone's expectation of the risks involved.

Furthermore, if the disease really is more contagious than people think, then it's even more critical that we quell the outbreak in Africa. If you're so freaked out about Ebola that you want to lock up innocent people with no symptoms, you should be thinking of ways to encourage more medical personnel to go to Africa. It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Finally, I remember riding the Metro very well, and part of the reason I didn't like it is that other people are full of germs. That's why I'm more worried about the flu and other diseases than exotic, hard-to-spread African illnesses that only a handful of people have. But I'm one of those crazy people who still went outside during the DC sniper spree.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

For that to be true, they had to have not followed hospital protocol. I've seen no evidence of that. Nurses don't run things at hospitals.

I don't remember the source but his explanation was that the Dallas hospital protocol was based on UN field treatment protocols that did not require 100% body coverage. I did a Google image search and most workers appeared to be fully covered but some weren't. Apparently the new protocol requires 100% coverage.

The bottom line, of course, is that despite months of warning those tasked with managing this problem were pretty unprepared and unable to admit same. Much more important to manage the message than manage the problem, which should be the motto of the entire Obama presidency.

Also, all Ebola is not created equal. Some has a higher concentration of virus in cells and is possibly more virulent because of that. No one is able, or willing, to state what the status of this ebola strain is.

[Turdacious]

It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Doctors Without Borders pulls in $200m a year, they can afford to pay people a few extra bucks easily.

[nafod]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

For that to be true, they had to have not followed hospital protocol. I've seen no evidence of that. Nurses don't run things at hospitals.

Ok, I'm adopting a broad "they" here. Policy for that hospital was set by the hospital and the Texas dept of Health Services. Training should have been conducted for the folks working on this. It wasn't. The nurses were screwed over by their hospital for that. Over 1000 doctors at that place too.

[johno]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

You say this based on evidence? Or blind faith?

(Crickets.) No evidence.

But CDC bureaucrats have provided speculation: Because our protocols are adequate, she (Pham) must have violated the protocols.
Wow. We used to burn witches based on such reasoning.

[Turdacious]

Maybe we should use a scientific and logical investment strategy...

[powerlifter54]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/2 ... 54708.html

But the 101st Airborne is being quarantined. "Abundance of Caution"...

[nafod]

Any of you know-it-all, nothing to-see-here experts want to explain how the two US nurses contracted Ebola?
Since the disease is so difficult to get and the nurses had the resources of modern US medicine at their disposal, and knew they were treating Ebola patients?

They fucked up and let fluids get on them.

You say this based on evidence? Or blind faith?

I say this based on this is how you catch Ebola. From the fluids. There's a lot of empirical data from the field after dealing with this in Africa for years that says you get it from when folks start vomiting and gushing out other orifices.

The smart thing to do is to set up testing of people for the virus that you would consider quarantining. We have tests that can pick up Ebola before the patient has symptoms (I'm pretty sure). The test will pick it up long before they are contagious. Probably a little pricey.

[nafod]

"Abundance of Caution"...

[dead man walking]

the two nurses who caught ebola in dallas have now been released from the hospital following treatment.

how deadly is ebola if treated?

[Pinky]

It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Fuck those assholes for trying to help! I want action, I want it now, and I don't want rational thought or morality to get in the way.

OK.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

At this point in time, expecting the government to do anything except 1) give taxpayers' money away to very profitable corporations and 2) wage war while restricting the military's abilities to do so is pretty laughable.

[DrDonkeyLove]

At this point in time, expecting the government to do anything except 1) give taxpayers' money away to very profitable corporations and 2) wage war while restricting the military's abilities to do so is pretty laughable.

Add 3) promote policies to the detriment of the working and middle classes and you have a hat trick.

[Turdacious]

It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Fuck those assholes for trying to help! I want action, I want it now, and I don't want rational thought or morality to get in the way.

OK.

So that's what the view from the ivory tower looks like.

[Batboy2/75]

People starting to ask what an Ebola Czar does.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ ... 9534#bmb=1

Don't worry though, Klien has made some important "Announcements". Because announcements and declarations are what pass for work and accomplishment with the political class. "Hey, get off my back man, I made announcement; problem solved."

To be fair, these czar positions are a fucking waste of time and the Ebola Czsr has no real authority. The position exists to give Predident Jug Ears an excuse for why he isn't providing leadership on this topic. No drama Obama has appointed a Ebola Czar, problem fixed! "Where are my golf clubs?"

[nafod]

It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Fuck those assholes for trying to help! I want action, I want it now, and I don't want rational thought or morality to get in the way.

OK.

So that's what the view from the ivory tower looks like.

Uhhh, google on 'coeds' and hit the image button

[Dunn]

It makes no sense to talk about quarantine without also talking about how much more we should pay people to first risk their lives and then face a three-week quarantine. (OMG, what if three weeks isn't enough? Better make it 6!)

Fuck those assholes for trying to help! I want action, I want it now, and I don't want rational thought or morality to get in the way.

OK.

So that's what the view from the ivory tower looks like.

Uhhh, google on 'coeds' and hit the image button

Gods bless you.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

Here's a question:
Has there been an instance, yet, of any doctors or nurses returning from Africa and infecting anyone else?
I know that Doc Hipster's fiancé is quarantined, and someone else he came in contact with as well. But has anyone gotten sick from contact with infected medical personnel?
Because when that happens, some of us will look a lot less paranoid.