"Hate" Crimes?

[dead man walking]

so blacks get disproportionate sentencing and you admit that the outcome unfair, but assert that it's not racist.

them darkies sure do have bad luck.

[bennyonesix]

Yes. Exactly.

[powerlifter54]

Hey, here is a crazy idea...stop committing crimes maybe?

[Turdacious]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

[nafod]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

Interesting read.

The flip side of that is collective pride. Pride in the group, even when individual variation permits some individuals to be douchebags.

[Boris]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

I like his three laws of bogus analysis of groups, but his conclusion is weak. It's like saying that stereotypes are wrong, so don't stereotype those who stereotype.

He is right that guilt is worthless if it doesn't change behavior - like a cheating husband who feels guilty but keeps cheating. But, if there's not going to be a change, I'll take guilt as at least some form of punishment.

[dead man walking]

i don't know what you're trying to say, turd.

we stereotype blacks?
white racism is just a stereotype?
so we've got one stereotype which is a misjudgment of another stereotype, in a vortex of false analysis? as a result, nothing will change, and blacks will remain fucked.

pls don't try to tell me blacks aren't discriminated against. that won't fly.

make it simple, pls.

[bennyonesix]

The point is , DMW, that there is no evidence of racial animus presented. Read the articles again. They try very hard to make it look like there was, but there wasn't. None.

Now, if you assume your conclusion before starting the investigation...

[bennyonesix]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

I like his three laws of bogus analysis of groups, but his conclusion is weak. It's like saying that stereotypes are wrong, so don't stereotype those who stereotype.

He is right that guilt is worthless if it doesn't change behavior - like a cheating husband who feels guilty but keeps cheating. But, if there's not going to be a change, I'll take guilt as at least some form of punishment.

But no guilt re the alleged wrongdoing has been established by the evidence presented.

If you want to punish whites for the crimes of their ancestors then at least be honest and tell them that is what you are doing.

Conversely if you want to reward blacks for the suffering of their ancestors (which is what the article is in fact asking for) then be honest about that as well.

But both are very hard sells, which is why people who wanted to do the above developed disparate impact. It is a way of successfully alleging racial animus where no evidence of it actually exists.

The NYT knows this. They want to change dissimilar outcomes into similar outcomes. And tbey have to figure out a way to justify it absent evidence of animus.

[Turdacious]

i don't know what you're trying to say, turd.

we stereotype blacks?
white racism is just a stereotype?
so we've got one stereotype which is a misjudgment of another stereotype, in a vortex of false analysis? as a result, nothing will change, and blacks will remain fucked.

pls don't try to tell me blacks aren't discriminated against. that won't fly.

make it simple, pls.

Simple-- look at the history. From the freedman's bank to public housing, Uncle Sugar's efforts to help blacks have largely failed. Expecting it to be different this time is foolish.

[bennyonesix]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

Yeah, that mindset is even more destructive of social cohesion than the NYT one.

The reality is, people act tribally, always have always will. Moreover, not acting tribally is a new phenomenon (post WWII) and present in one culture: W Europe and its former colonies. It is a sign of cultural rot and death wish because as even rudimentary game theory teaches: group strategy defeats individual gameplaying every damn time.

The NYT article is a manifestation of tribal politics. It desires preferential treatment for blacks. The collective guilt argument is a mere tactic. Viewed properly, it is a healthy expression of tribal interest.

Your article, is a manifestation of anti tribalism. It desires not only no special treatment, but the abolition of tribal mentality. And since all other groups engage in group strategy and group strategy defeats non group strategy...

Anti tribalism has always been a tool of the elites to defang those of the majority they wish to control. As examples see Strikebreaking tactics and the break up of white ethnic Catholic enclaves in the major cities.

[bennyonesix]

i don't know what you're trying to say, turd.

we stereotype blacks?
white racism is just a stereotype?
so we've got one stereotype which is a misjudgment of another stereotype, in a vortex of false analysis? as a result, nothing will change, and blacks will remain fucked.

pls don't try to tell me blacks aren't discriminated against. that won't fly.

make it simple, pls.

Simple-- look at the history. From the freedman's bank to public housing, Uncle Sugar's efforts to help blacks have largely failed. Expecting it to be different this time is foolish.

USG efforts to help blacks have always been disingenuous and if they didnt start off that way they were co opted within a few years.

They were dishonest attempts by elites to consolidate or gain power via their votes.

[bennyonesix]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

Interesting read.

The flip side of that is collective pride. Pride in the group, even when individual variation permits some individuals to be douchebags.

You know what? That's a guaranteed losing strategy because every other group acts in its own interests.

[dead man walking]

The NYT article is a manifestation of tribal politics. It desires preferential treatment for blacks.

if you are talking about the article on sentencing, it doesn't express desire for preferential treatment, only equal treatment.

turd, as for uncle sugar's failed policies, perhaps the govt shouldn't be uncle anything and should just work for equality of opportunity.

it's possible that our experiment in democracy will fail. as bennysuxdix says, tribalism is powerful and anti-democratic.

saw this today.

The real unifying force in our national cultural and political life, beyond skirmishes over ideology, is white identity masked as universal, neutral and, therefore, quintessentially American. The greatest purveyors of identity politics today, and for the bulk of our country’s history, have been white citizens.

[Turdacious]

Easterly has the bitterness you'd expect from someone who spent decades in development. It's a sentiment we share.

[dead man walking]

so when i first saw a decaying pruitt-igoe in st louis in the late '60s, that was all i need to know, the whole story was right there in front of me?

[Turdacious]

so when i first saw a decaying pruitt-igoe in st louis in the late '60s, that was all i need to know, the whole story was right there in front of me?

Have we learned anything?

[Boris]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

I like his three laws of bogus analysis of groups, but his conclusion is weak. It's like saying that stereotypes are wrong, so don't stereotype those who stereotype.

He is right that guilt is worthless if it doesn't change behavior - like a cheating husband who feels guilty but keeps cheating. But, if there's not going to be a change, I'll take guilt as at least some form of punishment.

But no guilt re the alleged wrongdoing has been established by the evidence presented.

...and this is why we will never, ever agree.

[dead man walking]

so when i first saw a decaying pruitt-igoe in st louis in the late '60s, that was all i need to know, the whole story was right there in front of me?

Have we learned anything?

more than 50% of republicans think his orangeness won the popular vote.

are we collectively intelligent enough to learn big lessons?

[Turdacious]

so when i first saw a decaying pruitt-igoe in st louis in the late '60s, that was all i need to know, the whole story was right there in front of me?

Have we learned anything?

more than 50% of republicans think his orangeness won the popular vote.

are we collectively intelligent enough to learn big lessons?

He won the popular vote that mattered.

[dead man walking]

you missed the point. deliberately, i expect.

[bennyonesix]

From one of the best things I've read in a long time.

Collective guilt doesn't work to change anyone's behavior. In the end, collective guilt, fashioned from bogus analysis and delight in stereotypes, is mere slander. It's a formula for constant antagonism and it's poisoning American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... n-politics

I like his three laws of bogus analysis of groups, but his conclusion is weak. It's like saying that stereotypes are wrong, so don't stereotype those who stereotype.

He is right that guilt is worthless if it doesn't change behavior - like a cheating husband who feels guilty but keeps cheating. But, if there's not going to be a change, I'll take guilt as at least some form of punishment.

But no guilt re the alleged wrongdoing has been established by the evidence presented.

...and this is why we will never, ever agree.

Are you saying such evidence was presented or that you think we should dispense with causation in this case?

[bennyonesix]

you missed the point. deliberately, i expect.

Yeah. Thrd is a cunt.

[bennyonesix]

The NYT article is a manifestation of tribal politics. It desires preferential treatment for blacks.

if you are talking about the article on sentencing, it doesn't express desire for preferential treatment, only equal treatment.

There has been no evidence produced as to racial animus playing a role in any decisionmaking. In fact, after a massive and thorough inquiry, there was no such evidence uncovered. Therefore, altering the outcome to make black sentences shorter is a de facto (and de jure if sanctioned by law) benefit to blacks on the basis of their tribal affiliation.

saw this today.

The real unifying force in our national cultural and political life, beyond skirmishes over ideology, is white identity masked as universal, neutral and, therefore, quintessentially American. The greatest purveyors of identity politics today, and for the bulk of our country’s history, have been white citizens.

Of course, it has only been recently that our elites decided that whites should abandon tribalism (group tactics and strategy) for the express purpose of reducing their power in society and increasing the power of the elites. The importation of millions upon millions of immigrants and backing of various sexual minorities was entirely purposeful...

[Thud]

so blacks get disproportionate sentencing and you admit that the outcome unfair, but assert that it's not racist.

them darkies sure do have bad luck.

Or:

Nobody is trying to disproportionately punish blacks; but keep in mind, they are niggers.

Ineluctable IGx logic.