Help me out here: Sovereign Citizens, what's their reasoning?

[Gene]

nobody's interested

I wasn't either until I had a chat with the new neighbors.

Oh. Sorry to read that, Tim.

[seeahill]

nobody's interested

I wasn't either until I had a chat with the new neighbors.

Oh. Sorry to read that, Tim.

No problems with them. They're nearby but not next door. Shortly after I met them, they talked about this sovereign stuff and I wondered what it was all about.

[TerryB]

I get the sense this is entrapment, a question designed to draw out those unloyal to the regime.

[baffled]

This thread has covered the spectrum from the autistic Sovereigns to pinko SPLC.

Nice job, now go write something that isn't shitty.

[Luke]

Iran currently has 10 citizens sovereign to the US?

You want to say to those guys, "when has the govt. actually paid 600,000 to someone who has 'declared' that? Yeah so, get on with life"

[TerryB]

Iran currently has 10 citizens sovereign to the US?

You want to say to those guys, "when has the govt. actually paid 600,000 to someone who has 'declared' that? Yeah so, get on with life"

I wouldn't advise this.

Most of those sorts are in biker gangs or other various criminal activities.

[Andy83]

Tim. Use Google. Here's the first of many hits on the subject.







The Benefits Of Being A Sovereign


There is much to be gained from becoming what you were born to be “A Sovereign”
Lets see what the advantages are.

The first thing a Sovereign becomes is immune to law, I.E. statutory, civil and vehicle codes. You no
Never having to pay a traffic ticket again if you so choose.

You cannot be sued in any court in this country.

Legally eliminate paying income taxes both federal and state. NOTE: The system will fight you on this to keep control over you even though they know it is legal for you to leave the system.

Get all the money you have ever paid into the system returned back to you with interest from the IRS. Again they will not willingly return your money.

Stop paying any more into the IRS, you can legally stop the stealing at the source with your employer.

The above is an instant and healthy raise in pay.

You will learn what the correct form(s) are for an American Citizen to use when filing your tax returns. Plus as a Sovereign you can stop paying altogether.

You gain the ability to reverse the system back onto the courts or any other government agency and beat the pants off them in a way they cannot escape under common law. This puts the lawyers and judges on the run from you.

You already have the ability to contract in an unlimited manner under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) but with the knowledge gained from this DVD you will be able to utilize all the codes to your advantage.

No lengthy legal battles in court over an alleged credit debt. Why? Because as a Sovereign you are a foreigner to the UNITED STATES and as such they have no jurisdiction over you the living man or woman. You are under no obligation to answer any summons from their system upon you. For them to do so is to leave their jurisdiction and enter yours, this is illegal and impossible for them to enter the world of the living because they are just FICTIONS created by the living man to serve the living man. There can be no right against that which the right depends. This statement stems back to the creation of this country and was written by the founding fathers.

Paying off your debts with this program cannot be refused, if a bank refuses your bond, the uniform commercial code states, a debt tendered and refused is a debt discharge to the amount of tender UCC at 3-603(b). If this were to happen from a bank you can turn them into the US Treasury for sedition against the UNITED STATES, which they are subject to the jurisdiction of.

Totally avoid bankruptcy altogether by paying off all your debts no matter what it is with a BOND. As long as it is with a bank or government system. (No personal debts with friends)

As a Sovereign you become the living man/woman again. Research this with a judge or attorney by asking them if the system can here the living man. Tell them that you are not the fiction listed on their papers, but rather you are the living man/woman. You will be told NO and if you are in a court room situation the case against you will likely be severely disrupted or even dropped altogether. If you ask this question before any proceedings start they will likely throw the case out of court.


BACKGROUND

You have heard it said that you cannot sue the government, which is because the government or the state is Sovereign. When you become a Sovereign again you also cannot be sued.
As you may have read elsewhere on this or other sites BONDS are legal tender under UCC laws for paying off debts.

NOTE: If you are looking for an arbitration award from your credit cards which is usually a lengthy legal battle this is not the program for that. This is just a cancellation of your debt directly with the bank. If a bank tries to sue you later they cannot because a Sovereign cannot be sued in any court in the land, they just do not have jurisdiction. They also cannot sue you later because the UCC laws say that a debt tendered and refused is a debt discharged UCC at 3-603(b).. It is the doctrine of common law that the Sovereign cannot be sued in his own court without his consent. The Siren, 74 US 152 (1869). A Sovereign operates strictly in common law and no statutory or civil court has any jurisdiction over the Sovereign. You are the living breathing man or woman and the fictional legal systems have no jurisdiction over the living man, but you must first know this and use it to stop them from taking from you.


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What are the CONS you ask

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Q: You've listed the benefits - what are the cons?

A: Well that is a good question.
Here goes, The cons are usually that the courts refuse to deal with you once you tell them that you are a living Sovereign rather than a corporate fiction, OOPS that is a benefit isn't it.

There really aren't any cons other than some really bent on keeping you under control type people telling you that Sovereignty is not real and that the system has total control over you.

To further, explain this lets look at the American Indians as a people. The federal government has acknowledged their sovereignty as a matter of fact of law. The treaties with the Indians state that they do not need a drivers license or a registration on their vehicles, they are not taxable by the federal gov, they are immune to the legal system that you are living under etc. Now the ORIGINAL constitution of the US (not the incorporated version) also says that all Americans born on the land are Sovereign by God given right.

There is one con that does come to mind and that is that some judges will try to deny someone there Sovereignty in court by making a statement that your Sovereignty is denied by this court. However most judges will not do that because no man or fictional court can make such a statement to a Sovereign, the reason is because they cannot make a legal determination against your choice of Citizenship, if they do they can by held liable for going against the Constitution and the intent of the founding fathers.

From time to time, you will run into people that just don't know what Sovereignty is or how to react to you so they will just tell you that you should do as everybody else on some issue at hand. They just don't understand. When it comes to the IRS Sovereignty issues can cause some negative threatening letters from them but there are many ways to handle that issue with the information contained on our DVD.

We all have the right to become that Sovereign again and that is a matter of law found in the constitution and public policy. Our founding fathers wanted Americans to live free of the tyranny and control that they fought to get away from.

Therefore, the cons are really very small in comparison to the benefits.

[seeahill]

Thanks, Andy. It's interesting to see it from their point of view.

[Andy83]

Good bumper sticker and T-shirt.....I'm a Sovereign. Go fuck yourself!

[seeahill]

Good bumper sticker and T-shirt.....I'm a Sovereign. Go fuck yourself!

And I'd be pissed this guy who doesn't pay taxes is driving on the road I pay for. He can ride around all he wants on his own private property.

[Andy83]

Taxes to pay for the roads are included in the gas to run his vehicle.

[seeahill]

Taxes to pay for the roads are included in the gas to run his vehicle.

Well, gas taxes pay for about 1/3 of the roads. So it'd be OK with me if the guy rode a gas powered unicycle with one training wheel.

[Bud Charniga's grape ape]

That's a real cool fairy tale you posted, Andy.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Lulz at Those dipshits.

[Andy83]

Taxes to pay for the roads are included in the gas to run his vehicle.

Well, gas taxes pay for about 1/3 of the roads. So it'd be OK with me if the guy rode a gas powered unicycle with one training wheel.

It's wrong to make a Sovereign pay any taxes. He/she can make the government pay them all back to him/her. And he/she uses the roads whenever he/she wants. Help keep them nice and safe for Sovereign humans with your taxes.......SUCKER