Jordan Peterson on JRE

[Shapecharge]

A Facebook friend posted this the other day and I listened to a good chunk of it and intend to finish it later. This is the Univ. of Toronto professor that has come under heavy criticism including but not limited to official censure and possible legal action for his unwillingness to incorporate newly created gender specific pronouns in his teachings, lectures etc. I found this podcast to be extremely informative. Give it a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

[Shafpocalypse Now]

One of the best podcasts I've listened to in a long time. Super fucking long.

That Future Authoring software is on sale for .50..they changed it from free because people were getting 1000s of accounts.

[bennyonesix]

Can someone bottom line this for me?

Before I invest the time...

[Blaidd Drwg]

Can someone bottom line this for me?

Before I invest the time...

No.
Listen. It's really really good.

[bennyonesix]

This is Joe Rogan.

I will not be invovled.

[Turdacious]

This is Joe Rogan.

I will not be invovled.

Rogan nails the interview-- letting JP do most of the talking and mostly just guiding the conversation. BD is right.

[Thud]

Can someone bottom line this for me?

Before I invest the time...

High pitched shrill tranny-in-waiting is pretending to be hardcore and macho till he gets his peeny lopped off.

[bennyonesix]

Yeah rogan is gross.

[baffled]

This was probably the best podcast interview I've listened to in... a long time.

That Rogan conducted it was surprising to me, but credit where it's due. Well worth the time investment.

[bennyonesix]

It is really good so far. This dude is a crypto fascist! Hahahab

And Rogan is just a not very bright man. He is just not good at thinking and his world is a very very small place and he just got spoonfed a little glimpse of what is really going on. Mentally ponderous is what he is.

[Testiclaw]

I thought this was going to be the usual, "If you're born a woman I'm not calling you mister" kind of shit, but I seriously didn't know that the whole pronoun thing extended to foxkin and shit.

Transgender? Yeah, call them what they want to be called. Like Matt/Janae.

But foxkin? GFY.

[bennyonesix]

So i listened to an hour.

Did he ever mention how college loans caused massive expansion in attendance and now lots of people who shouldn't be in college are and how the majority of professors are dumb as rocks now?

And how that kinda leads to this simplisitc ideology and feedback loop?

[Shafpocalypse Now]

You can talk shit about Rogan all you want, but he invites guests that have diametrically opposed viewpoints. Milo, that proto-hipster cum Catholic cum ultracon...notice, though, that NO social justice warrior types will engage with him.

[bennyonesix]

Rogan is many times better than Milo who is just a sexually degenerate chickenhawking drug addled pervert. Rogan isn't a subversive like Milo (note his forced association with two groups whose creeds are completely opposed to bis behavior) either. Rogan is more of the useful idiot type. Take for example his continued assumption that the SJWs want to create a kinder gentler world when every bit of evidence points to the contrary.

His audience seems to be libertine whites who want their dabbling in durgz and gaysex justified. I supoose most are just white drug fans who decided to cut slack to the bisexuals and gays in exchange for acceptance or toleration from white women.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

I know you can't stomach white women. Ben Wald, but isn't that a bit much?

[bennyonesix]

That's Milo in pigs blood btw. And I think liberal white women have messed a lot of things up. If that means what you said, so be it. I am critical of many groups though, and they aren't on the top of the list.

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[Shafpocalypse Now]

Milo is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.

[Turdacious]

I thought this was going to be the usual, "If you're born a woman I'm not calling you mister" kind of shit, but I seriously didn't know that the whole pronoun thing extended to foxkin and shit.

Transgender? Yeah, call them what they want to be called. Like Matt/Janae.

But foxkin? GFY.

We are a pretty diverse and accepting community here at IGx. We have piss-kin, peeeeek-kin, and @-kin.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

I gotta break the 4th wall here and say Fanfuckingtastic TURD.

[Testiclaw]

Turd has his moments!

[Grandpa's Spells]

First half hour was painfully stupid. Does it get off gender into other topics?

[Blaidd Drwg]

First half hour was painfully stupid. Does it get off gender into other topics?

In what way? I'm legit surprised. Peterson is probably the most thoughtful person speaking to an issue with at worst, far ranging cultural consequences and best case is at least deeply fascinating in what it reveals about how we communicate. How you arrived at "painfully dumb" is curious to me.

And yes... it goes pretty far from gender language to some really important discussions about ideologies in general.

[Turdacious]

First half hour was painfully stupid. Does it get off gender into other topics?

He hits racial ideas within the first hour, and the racial identity ideas he discusses are similar to those I've seen in people I know. It may be a generational thing-- our generation doesn't see things the same way and isn't that exposed to people who do.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Ferfucksake, he makes the best defense of the role of religion and spirituality I've ever heard and I've heard every damn one of them, ad nasuem. Anybody who manages to get my attention on a subject I find tedious deserves a second third and fourth look. Currently devouring his YT channel.

[Grandpa's Spells]

First half hour was painfully stupid. Does it get off gender into other topics?

In what way? I'm legit surprised.

Maybe I'm on hard on him because I expect a conservative on a college campus to be familiar with the opposing argument, and he's either ignorant or lying. I'll start by saying I know a lot of SJW types and see their arguments, good and often bad, in my FB feed. He's misrepresenting or misunderstanding what the Canada law is and why people support it.

Pronouns
Start with the pronouns thing since that's what Rogan was all over and it caught on here. It was curious because Rogan would ask about that particular part of the law, and then Peterson would go on a tangent. He was doing that because there's no law being passed that says Peterson has to use weird pronouns, nor is the law defining what these pronouns are, which is what Rogan was suggesting and Peterson played along with. The law in Canada is an expansion of anti-discrimination, for businesses under federal jurisdiction, to extend to gender identity (trans people). That appears to be pretty much it. This makes sense given fringe left people who call themselves Worm Kin are never going to get legislation passed.

Communism
Peterson's also of an age where he is still equating college liberals with communists. There aren't really any of those any more. People born in the 90's grew up seeing Russia as a hell hole and China as a place they feel a little guilty about because a 12 year old was paid 10 cents to build their iPhone. To the extent those kids like socialism, it's Sanders-promoted Scandinavian socialism, created and maintained via democratic institutions. Nobody is reading Marx. He is describing burned out 60's hippies who won't see the world change. Completely different people.

His pushing to the extreme of Siberian death camps is particularly stupid because sending minorities off to death is at least as big a result of the extreme right. Soviets were sending off economic/intellectual types. Nazis were sending off the wrong religion, identity, orientation. WTF death camps are not the domain of the left.

Latching onto Identity
This is the wackiest part, which is impressive. They're suggesting these people came out of nowhere and started having gender identity and wanted "special rights" for it. The reality is there's an easily identifiable timeline where the status quo permitted the majority in this country to fuck with minorities of all types to varying degrees. Sodomy laws were not passed to stop straight people from having oral sex, they were criminalizing teh gays. Nowadays that stuff is going by the wayside, but in the US (but not Canada) a bible thumping asshole with federal contracts can still fire a subordinate if he finds out she's gay. Hence, SJWs, when they aren't going wacky, are very active in anti-discrimination, because we have some improving to do. 90's me didn't know any out gay people. I didn't know any trans people until this year. That informed my world view. There's a pretty clear connection between closeted gay and trans people coming out and straight people saying, "Oh, leave them alone, they're fine." People who aren't straight need to self-identify if they want to get fucked with less. That is what is happening. They aren't adopting Marxism.

The fundamental problems of SJWs are overreach and demonizing.

Yes, we should not be discriminating against minorities. No, I think Tinder having 37 gender options may be high.

Yes, accepting that trans people exist and not marginalizing them will result in a lot fewer kids committing suicide. No, every 30+ person every person who grew up with trans people in the closet and are uncomfortable with them are not automatically hateful bigots.

Listening to two older straight white dudes talk about this while ignoring all of the above was painful, particularly with the communism crap. Rogan: "How are these people still Marxists?" FFS they just want a chance at a job in companies/institutions their tax dollars support.