Michael Brown, Ferguson Missouri

[nafod]

lulz at some of you nutbags rushing to accept the word of "gatewaypundit" (who's also citing a reporter whose tweet was disclaimed by her employer) as fact.

Maybe the pig has a broken orbital, maybe he doesn't, but you've suspended your disbelief too far when right-wing local blogs are your prime source.

Its pretty rare for a news story in the places I've lived to not mention "Police officer injured - taken to hospital for treatment." A face fracture is pretty substantial stuff. Absolutely zero cause to hide it too. So I am waving BS flag on it until proven otherwise.

[Turdacious]

I think we know what happened here. Everybody has been driving down a side street and had some urban youts or white trash walking down the middle of the street so as to show dominance (in their mind) and piss off drivers who have to drive in the other lane to get around them, all while mean mugging. This moron did it to a cop, and then when the cop gave him shit about it, decided to fight him. I don't think he was college material.

If he had the football skills, he sounds like perfect material for The U.

[nafod]

lulz at some of you nutbags rushing to accept the word of "gatewaypundit" (who's also citing a reporter whose tweet was disclaimed by her employer) as fact.

Maybe the pig has a broken orbital, maybe he doesn't, but you've suspended your disbelief too far when right-wing local blogs are your prime source.

Its pretty rare for a news story in the places I've lived to not mention "Police officer injured - taken to hospital for treatment." A face fracture is pretty substantial stuff. Absolutely zero cause to hide it too. So I am waving BS flag on it until proven otherwise.

Well, it's making its way to the major media...

Ferguson Cop Had 'Serious Facial Injury,' Source Tells ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-shoot ... d=25047905

[Kazuya Mishima]

Fixed it for you.

It seems that riots generally happen where there are lots of niggers...

[DrDonkeyLove]

Fixed it for you.

It seems that riots generally happen where there are lots of niggers...

You sir, are contemptible. Accurate as fuck but contemptible none the less.

[Andy83]

Why would you destroy your own community?

They want whitey to give them new and better stuff.

[dead man walking]

lulz at some of you nutbags rushing to accept the word of "gatewaypundit" (who's also citing a reporter whose tweet was disclaimed by her employer) as fact.

Maybe the pig has a broken orbital, maybe he doesn't, but you've suspended your disbelief too far when right-wing local blogs are your prime source.

Its pretty rare for a news story in the places I've lived to not mention "Police officer injured - taken to hospital for treatment." A face fracture is pretty substantial stuff. Absolutely zero cause to hide it too. So I am waving BS flag on it until proven otherwise.

Well, it's making its way to the major media...

Ferguson Cop Had 'Serious Facial Injury,' Source Tells ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ferguson-shoot ... d=25047905

this information is still being attributed to an unnamed family friend. that's strange as hell, under the circumstance.

[Protobuilder]

Why would you destroy your own community?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN-5VmZHll0[/youtube]

Around 90 seconds in.

They looted local businesses because they wanted money and the Wal-Mart was too far away. However, if the business owners don't rebuild and, presumably, hire the guys that tore things to pieces, there's, actually "it's gonna be hell ta pay".

[Turdacious]

From the NYT archives, six months after the LA riots:

Six months after the burning and looting that swept Los Angeles last spring, Joe Chiu has still not rebuilt his gutted meat market in Koreatown or his grocery in Long Beach. The Federal Small Business Administration has approved his $500,000 loan, but his contractors have been turned down for building permits at least three times because city building rules are much stricter now than when he opened 27 years ago.

"They won't meet you halfway," said Mr. Chiu, who is president of an association for Chinese-American riot victims. "The money is there, but there's been no real effort."

The Federal Government has allotted $1.35 billion to Los Angeles riot recovery. So far $251 million has been distributed for a wide array of programs -- from 9,000 extra summer jobs for teen-agers to housing assistance for 2,096 victims to the beginnings of the "weed and seed" program, meant to rid neighborhoods of crime and to establish medical and school programs aimed at the young.

But the Federal impact on recovery is not as great as the figures suggest. Of $300 million for the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or F.E.M.A., more than two-thirds ($218 million) is going to the state and county to help pay for National Guard, state police, debris removal and other immediate riot-control expenses. That leaves only $82 million to help families with rent and temporary housing, and only $19 million of that has actually been spent.

Of the $1.35 billion total, nearly half ($600 million) is in low-interest loans made available to banks by the Federal Home Loan Bank system to finance low-income housing and commercial development. Deputy Mayor Linda Griego says it is not clear how this money can be obtained. Only $23 million has so far been used.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/01/us/6- ... leeds.html

[Turdacious]

To my knowledge, the last major riots in the US:

The Cincinnati riots of 2001 were a series of civil disorders which took place in and around the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood of downtown Cincinnati, Ohio from April 9 to 13, 2001. The riots were the largest urban disturbance in the United States since the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

The riots were sparked after 19-year-old African American Timothy Thomas was shot and killed by Cincinnati Police Department Patrolman Stephen Roach. Tensions, which were already high following a series of other incidents of alleged police brutality and racial profiling, erupted into four nights of rioting in Cincinnati, with rioters throwing objects at police, vandalizing and looting businesses before a curfew effectively ended the unrest.

Ultimately it was determined the riots caused $3.6 million in damage to businesses and another $1.5 to $2 million to the city. A subsequent boycott of downtown businesses had an estimated impact of $10 million to the downtown area, and coincided with a rise in violent crime in the downtown area for several years thereafter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Cincinnati_riots
Seems similar, but I know too little about Cincinnati to know how accurate this summary is.
Wiki seems to think the neighborhood has gone the way of Shafnasty's old stomping ground: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-Rhine#Crime

[Kazuya Mishima]

Where goest ye black ape, so riseth ye crime rate.

[Protobuilder]

[Hymen Asshole]

This nigger is the biggest racist and race baiter there is, fuck Al Sharpton

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWl5v-k_LKg[/youtube]

[powerlifter54]

3 ways to not get shot by the popo
1. Do not openly commit crimes.
2. Do not assault the police.
3. If you do 1 and/or 2 do not return to the place you did one or both.

3 ways to not look like a Storm Trooper
1. Do not openly violate the Constitution.
2. Do not bring multiple assault rifles/MRAPS to a riot.
3. If you do 1 and/or 2 do not do it front of cameras.

[Protobuilder]

This nigger is the biggest racist and race baiter there is, fuck Al Sharpton

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWl5v-k_LKg[/youtube]

He's simply an opportunist. He has inserted himself in every hot topic racial situation over the past 30 years and has frequently been so wrong that it would have destroyed the career of many but he keeps coming back and cashing in. He simply plays the game and says stupid shit because stupid, racist blacks eat it up. Bill O'Reilly does the same for stupid, racist whites.

I didn't realize that Sharpton had a mainstream TV program until I read it a few days ago. How brilliant is that? He becomes the news story...then covers the news story. He even has an assist from the White House for 'legitimacy' nowadays.

[Turdacious]

That just tells us that the 'Snitches Get Stitches' movement is not strong in Ferguson, MO.

[Grandpa's Spells]

3 ways to not get shot by the popo
1. Do not openly commit crimes.
2. Do not assault the police.
3. If you do 1 and/or 2 do not return to the place you did one or both.

Didn't help this guy:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... y-lie.html

Part of this is the Ferguson cops have a culture of dipshittery that needs improvement. They're pointing guns at and threatening reporters while being video recorded. There's a problem that goes well beyond the people they're threatening/beating/shooting.

A statistical look at Brown's alleged problems. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ther ... n-america/

[Pinky]

The cops in Ferguson aren't police, they're revenuers.

Fines for petty bullshit, like jaywalking, are the second largest source of income for the city.

[Turdacious]

A statistical look at Brown's alleged problems. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ther ... n-america/

A statistical look that ignores the allegation that Brown assaulted a police officer. That might be an important data point. I'm not a regular reader, but it seems that 538 faces a pretty steep quality dropoff when Silver isn't writing-- almost like it becomes a primer on how to lie with selective statistics.

[Grandpa's Spells]

A statistical look that ignores the allegation that Brown assaulted a police officer.

Probably because nobody disputes fighting with a cop for his gun gets you shot, it wasn't in the NYT article that the 538 one was referring to, and there's no evidence that it happened. Cop says it did, three named witnesses say no.

No broken orbital bone, either; that was a fabrication.

[Turdacious]

A statistical look that ignores the allegation that Brown assaulted a police officer.

Probably because nobody disputes fighting with a cop for his gun gets you shot, it wasn't in the NYT article that the 538 one was referring to, and there's no evidence that it happened. Cop says it did, three named witnesses say no.

No broken orbital bone, either; that was a fabrication.

1. The cop hasn't said necessarily said anything, the information is coming from unnamed sources.
2. The allegation the Brown assaulted the officer has come from multiple sources. Does the bone have to be broken for the officer to make the self defense argument successfully in court? The fracture is irrelevant.
4. Multiple witnesses have said multiple things, some which support the officer, some of which support Brown. None of the released statements, to my knowledge, have been made under oath. None of them have been subject to cross-examination.
4. All this press, and 538 is only referencing one article (that conveniently leaves out the most relevant allegation supporting the officer)? Pathetic-- Silver should insist on better writing at his site.
5. Rioting can start based on misinformation. Case and point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Wash ... Background FWIW, the officer in the DC shooting was acquitted.

I have no idea whether this was a legitimate shooting or if the officer was out of line. Neither do you.

[milosz]

Too bad there's no way to verify or disprove the 11-shot audio clip.

[Turdacious]

Henceforth, law enforcement MRAPs are to be known as NPSEs.

The Davis City Council has told the police department it must get rid of a military vehicle it received in the next 60 days....

The chief promised specific guidelines for its use, and said like many police forces who now have the armored vehicles, it’s a necessary piece of safety equipment.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/08/ ... t-60-days/

[johno]

The problem is much more the tactics & practices, such as No Knock Warrants and intrusive searches* than any piece of hardware the cops have.
I have no problem with cops having black rifles (with proper training & deployment) in their cruisers. MRAPS are over the top & silly.

As far as equipment goes, PD's should be spending their $ on lapel cams and longterm data storage that is better than the IRS's.


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingray_Phone_Tracker

[Turdacious]

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-ferguson-de ... epage=true
Interesting piece about what's happening from a law enforcement perspective.
Interesting excerpts:

Last week on Ricochet.com I wrote a post called “Lose the Camouflage, Please,” in which I criticized the soldierly appearance of many of the police officers facing off with protesters in Ferguson. Camouflage fatigues have no place on the streets of any American city, regardless of the chaos that might be reigning. But I erred in being critical of the sight of snipers aiming their rifles into crowds of what I had been led to believe were peaceful protesters (see “Media” discussion above). Now we know there were armed men in those crowds, and that some of those purportedly peaceful protesters took a break from looting at night only for as long as long as it took to shoot someone. This being the case, better for a police officer to be equipped with a rifle and perched up high than with a pistol at street level should the need arise to engage a gunman concealed among innocents.

And if Wilson is indicted, there’s not a chance in the world he’ll be convicted, that is unless the jury is made up of nothing but MSNBC viewers or veterans of the O.J. Simpson jury. Pathologist Michael Baden, who conducted an autopsy on Brown’s body at the request of his family, all but guaranteed an acquittal when he said Brown could have been shot while charging at Wilson. All the reasonable doubt Wilson needs is right there.