Muslim Brotherhood In America

[DrDonkeyLove]

Hahahahahahaha

Almost every Tea Party type person I know is far from being in the religious right. They want fiscal sanity and less gov't intrusion into every aspect of our lives. They don't give is a shit if it's Obama or Bush or BushBama.

This bothers you, how?

When you signing up for your Obamacare? I might be able to save a few $/month if I switch over in October and I need young healthy people to support me. If the Pelosi/Reid/Obama tax on the working poor is what it takes, so be it. It's just forcing young people to be good citizens whether they want to or not, and that's a good thing, right? Thanks in advance for your help.

[Bud Charniga's grape ape]

Hahahahahahaha

Almost every Tea Party type person I know is far from being in the religious right. They want fiscal sanity and less gov't intrusion into every aspect of our lives. They don't give is a shit if it's Obama or Bush or BushBama.

This bothers you, how?

About the Tea Party, you know, I think that's probably right. I think there are some fringier folks in the Tea Party, but I agree that most of those that I've seen are as you describe.

But by the same token, not every democrat or progressive in the US is spending their time longing for the Marxist takeover and trying to figure out how to confiscate everyone's guns. Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

[johno]

You slack jawed faggots spout this shit constantly and never mention the control freak tendancies of the left. Everything listed on Stillbrains list is nothing more than the usual lefitist socialist talking points. The only progess the left is interested in is the enlargement of the State.

I dare you cum guzzling yuppie fags to find all of the Tea partier with a Death to the President signs you can. I dare you! I double Dog Dare you!
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Where are the Obama assisination movies with awards from Conservative crtics and organizations? Oh right, there are none.

You fucking hollowed out hypocrites can all stop fucking your dead rotting high horse. You're only fooling yourselves, your progressive/socialist butt buddies and the retarded.

Hahahahahahaha

Bats responds, and that's all you've got? ...

Turd, you faggots don't deserve honest responses.

Observe the nuanced reasoning, the depth of thought, the command of the facts & argument shown by NoTestes. i thought Lefties were so brainy.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Hahahahahahaha

Almost every Tea Party type person I know is far from being in the religious right. They want fiscal sanity and less gov't intrusion into every aspect of our lives. They don't give is a shit if it's Obama or Bush or BushBama.

This bothers you, how?

About the Tea Party, you know, I think that's probably right. I think there are some fringier folks in the Tea Party, but I agree that most of those that I've seen are as you describe.

But by the same token, not every democrat or progressive in the US is spending their time longing for the Marxist takeover and trying to figure out how to confiscate everyone's guns. Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

I'm certain that's true of you and millions of others. I'm for a reasonable amount of that myself - and have been the beneficiary of gov't programs. However, Dem leadership is very interested in gun confiscation and cynically using government as a tool for the enrichment of themselves and their special interest groups at the expense of the freedom of others. This is similarly true of vile Repugs who will deny some halfrican his gubmint cheese while enriching some uber rich person or company via tax breaks or regulations that limit real capitalist competition.

Hence the need for the Tea Party and OWS which both grasp in different ways that the the power of the people is flowing towards an elitest gov't/corporate/media oligarchy and away from founding principals. It's easy to mock the extremes of both groups but as a whole they sense what's happening - kind of like animals getting still and quiet before an earthquake or hurricane, they feel the danger.

[johno]

Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

The real question is: more Gov't borrowing, spending, and future taxing and inflating...or less?

[Turdacious]

But by the same token, not every democrat or progressive in the US is spending their time longing for the Marxist takeover and trying to figure out how to confiscate everyone's guns. Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

That's a serious problem for those like you-- New Democrats basically have no influence anymore, and their policies can't be effectively implemented by more traditional Democrats. No one on your side with any influence believes in better government anymore.

[Hymen Asshole]

Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality! This is the problem with these fucking liberal assholes they actually think the government is the great equalizer what a fucking joke.

[baffled]

But by the same token, not every democrat or progressive in the US is spending their time longing for the Marxist takeover and trying to figure out how to confiscate everyone's guns. Most of us -- and I include me in this -- think that the government can have a positive role to play in ameliorating poverty and inequality. That's a far cry from running around shouting "Occupy everything, komrade!"

That's a serious problem for those like you-- New Democrats basically have no influence anymore, and their policies can't be effectively implemented by more traditional Democrats. No one on your side with any influence believes in better government anymore.

Wyden seems to in a lot of ways. At least on civil liberties issues.

Now I'm stuck.

[Bud Charniga's grape ape]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

[baffled]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

I can't speak for Mr. Hymen, but I personally see it as "should or shouldn't".

I personally think the government "should" play a part in reducing poverty, but in nearly complete polar opposite ways as both the republicans and democrats seem to think.

[johno]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

Wrong question. The proper question is, "In the Constitution's enumerated powers, where is the federal government authorized to ameliorate poverty?"

[Hymen Asshole]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

Wrong question. The proper question is, "In the Constitution's enumerated powers, where is the federal government authorized to ameliorate poverty?"

^^ this ^^

I can wait

[Hymen Asshole]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

I can't speak for Mr. Hymen, but I personally see it as "should or shouldn't".

I personally think the government "should" play a part in reducing poverty, but in nearly complete polar opposite ways as both the republicans and democrats seem to think.

Hey Baff, would you elaborate on your polar opposite way?

[Hymen Asshole]

it's kind of fascinating how the libs on this thread turned this thread inside out and want to make it about the tea party and the US when the reality is that we're talking about Muslim Brotherhood in America...

Fuck me but I can't remember the last time I turned on any of the news channels to see Tea Party members doing this, wake the fuck up and quit turning shit inside out with your twisted fucking logic and start thinking for yourself.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9x2JGENqA[/youtube]

[Hymen Asshole]

Here's another one, you fucking assholes want to continue with your the Tea Party = Muslim Brotherhood?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrLoxmN0AI8[/youtube]

[Andy83]

Anybody going to the million muslim march on 9/11?

[baffled]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

I can't speak for Mr. Hymen, but I personally see it as "should or shouldn't".

I personally think the government "should" play a part in reducing poverty, but in nearly complete polar opposite ways as both the republicans and democrats seem to think.

Hey Baff, would you elaborate on your polar opposite way?

Sure thing. They're pretty much in line with most Tea Partiers and libertarians, as far as I can tell. Since I am a libertarian (probably something along the lines of a paleo-conservative, I guess, but these labels are pissing me off a bit at the moment), I guess that makes sense.

- Eliminate or drastically reduce the income tax, and wipe out all corporate taxes. If eliminating the income tax didn't fly (which it never would), a flat tax would work (Long shot, but maybe) for me.

I'm a state's rights kind of guy, so I could care less if particular states wanted to follow California's lead and fuck over businesses and the working class. Others wouldn't, and that's the way it ought to be.

The required cuts to the size and level of activity of the federal government would be a benefit, IMO.

- Eliminate or drastically reduce the federal minimum wage.

As a small business owner, I would love to hire unskilled workers to do the tasks I don't want to. As it stands now, I usually have to outsource these tasks, which makes my life more volatile than if I had an American working here on a full or even a part time basis.

It also behooves me to keep these people on board, by paying them more, as they become more skilled. My business would have a chance to grow in ways that only happen in periodic jumps now, and they would have a job they wouldn't otherwise have.

- Cut welfare and entitlements to the bone. I like the idea of a negative income tax with welfare programs being limited to the truly needy. No more EBT cards for cigarettes and energy drinks. I'm not entirely opposed to some sort of social safety net, but I think they should be handled at the state level, if at all.

Goes doubly for corporate welfare. No more too big to fail, bailouts or other such bullshit.

- National right to work.

- Get rid of the Fed.

There's more, and it's not exactly fleshed out, but that's off the top of my head.

The whole point would be that people would have to actually work or starve.

[Batboy2/75]

It's not the governments job to ameliorate poverty and inequality!

Says who?

Seriously, find me the provision in the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Federalist, or pretty much any other source you'd care to name, that says that the government has no place in ameliorating poverty and inequality.

I can wait.

US Constitution-10 Ammendment:The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

You are truly brain dead. A perfect example of our degenerate school system. Every document you mention is concerned with limiting and controlling the Federal Government

You must have studied under the illustrious Doctor Gimp Cleaner, Professor of Progressive Constitutional Interpretation. Remember, Professor Cleaner will dock you points for not mentioning it's only the 10th most important ammendment. Don't worry though, if you let him blow you, he'll give you extra credit.

[Turdacious]

No IGx worthy responses from those guys. They must be busy listening to this:
http://irongarmx.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=224591

[Protobuilder]

Groups like the tea party or the Muslim brotherhood are dangerous in the way that cable news networks are dangerous. They feed people highly processed shit disguised as information that perfectly fits the ideological views of their target audience which is typically a group without either the skill set or world view to thrive in a rapidly changing environment.

At best you get a long list of logical fallacies that are able to be laughed off. At worst, you get people yelling and screaming at each other. At very worst, you get people trying to kill each other. However, as long as their supporters are up in arms and angry and seeing the world in terms of polar opposites, such groups will continue to grow and shut down any kind of rational, meaningful dialogue.

[Batboy2/75]

Groups like the tea party or the Muslim brotherhood are dangerous in the way that cable news networks are dangerous. They feed people highly processed shit disguised as information that perfectly fits the ideological views of their target audience which is typically a group without either the skill set or world view to thrive in a rapidly changing environment.

At best you get a long list of logical fallacies that are able to be laughed off. At worst, you get people yelling and screaming at each other. At very worst, you get people trying to kill each other. However, as long as their supporters are up in arms and angry and seeing the world in terms of polar opposites, such groups will continue to grow and shut down any kind of rational, meaningful dialogue.

You are truly an empty hollowed out dumb ass. Two paragraphs of absolute nothing.

[Stillwater]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8[/youtube]

[Hymen Asshole]

Groups like the tea party or the Muslim brotherhood are dangerous in the way that cable news networks are dangerous. They feed people highly processed shit disguised as information that perfectly fits the ideological views of their target audience which is typically a group without either the skill set or world view to thrive in a rapidly changing environment.

At best you get a long list of logical fallacies that are able to be laughed off. At worst, you get people yelling and screaming at each other. At very worst, you get people trying to kill each other. However, as long as their supporters are up in arms and angry and seeing the world in terms of polar opposites, such groups will continue to grow and shut down any kind of rational, meaningful dialogue.

You mind clarifying what it is your trying to say because this doesn't make any sense.

[Hymen Asshole]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8[/youtube]

So the actions of this guy who was intoxicated and has just lost his wife two weeks before to cancer your going to attribute to his anger over an obama bumper sticker? There's not proof of the reason that he did this, the bumper stick is an assumption. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify or condone what this guy did he's an asshole but to take this one incident and inflate it to insinuate this has something to do with the Tea Party. Since you didn't bother to write anything and just posted this I'll assume that your trying to point out that the Tea Party is violent and if you'd watch the video again the Tea Party isn't mentioned once in the news report. In case I got this wrong then please feel free to elaborate and clarify your position so the rest of us aren't trying to have to interpret what your saying.

I'll also point out that based on my assumption that one person is an asshole and therefore you can lump the Tea Party into this then let me post the following video and say that I guess we should arrive at the conclusion that Maxine Water's represents the whole of the liberals and Democratic position on the Tea Party.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBi2y84l1cQ[/youtube]

I'm still trying to figure out why you fucking libtards want to twist this thread into something about the Tea Party.

[Hymen Asshole]

Sure thing. They're pretty much in line with most Tea Partiers and libertarians, as far as I can tell. Since I am a libertarian (probably something along the lines of a paleo-conservative, I guess, but these labels are pissing me off a bit at the moment), I guess that makes sense.

- Eliminate or drastically reduce the income tax, and wipe out all corporate taxes. If eliminating the income tax didn't fly (which it never would), a flat tax would work (Long shot, but maybe) for me.

I'm a state's rights kind of guy, so I could care less if particular states wanted to follow California's lead and fuck over businesses and the working class. Others wouldn't, and that's the way it ought to be.

The required cuts to the size and level of activity of the federal government would be a benefit, IMO.

- Eliminate or drastically reduce the federal minimum wage.

As a small business owner, I would love to hire unskilled workers to do the tasks I don't want to. As it stands now, I usually have to outsource these tasks, which makes my life more volatile than if I had an American working here on a full or even a part time basis.

It also behooves me to keep these people on board, by paying them more, as they become more skilled. My business would have a chance to grow in ways that only happen in periodic jumps now, and they would have a job they wouldn't otherwise have.

- Cut welfare and entitlements to the bone. I like the idea of a negative income tax with welfare programs being limited to the truly needy. No more EBT cards for cigarettes and energy drinks. I'm not entirely opposed to some sort of social safety net, but I think they should be handled at the state level, if at all.

Goes doubly for corporate welfare. No more too big to fail, bailouts or other such bullshit.

- National right to work.

- Get rid of the Fed.

There's more, and it's not exactly fleshed out, but that's off the top of my head.

The whole point would be that people would have to actually work or starve.

All good point, we think alike.