Nobody has started a thread about the NSA/domestic spying?

[Andy83]

Steve Doocy, suddenly a legal expert of PATRIOT Act violations, said that this kind of data seizure is a violation of the Act’s section 215, which “said that you could go after people based on individual investigations,” but forbids data collection from average citizens. He went on to call it a “gigantic overreach” on the Obama administration’s part.

However, in 2006, Doocy and other Fox hosts were saying the exact opposite about NSA wiretaps.

Media Matters reported that in the wake of revelations that the NSA might be conducting wholesale data-mining on U.S. citizens, the hosts of “Fox and Friends” openly nixed the term “warrantless wiretapping” in favor of calling the spying “the terrorist surveillance program” and went out of their way to justify the practice.

On January 25, 2006, Kilmeade said, “Let’s call it the terrorist surveillance program. That would be a lot easier.”

Doocy concurred, “And more accurate.”

“Yeah, more accurate too,” Kilmeade said. “If you’re for the NSA wiretapping without going to the FISA court, I guess warrantless, then most likely you’re Republican. If you are against it, you most likely are a Democrat.”

What are you if you don't give a shit if they do or they don't?

[Holland Oates]

Wait. So it's not Obama's fault because he is only the president but its Bush's fault because he was the president. Is that right?

[Sua Sponte]

Critical question: In how many cases would the vote have swung the other direction if all the Dems (even the abstainers) voted 'no'?

There are an awful lot of elected officials that failed to vote. They don't get a by just because more sitting members of the opposing party decided to vote. Nice way to get something passed by knowing how the vote was leaning, abstaining and pretending you were powerless to intercede.

Only one branch of gov't has the ability to veto and he failed to do it each time, going against what you're claiming is the majority opinion in his party. Why?

Your arguments only have sway if the person to whom your speaking supported Bush then failed to support Obama on the same issues. Otherwise, you're saying what most know-Obama is no better and in many ways worse than the man that Obama supporters hated with such intensity when he was voted in.

As johno says, pretending that 4 1/2 years in the current prez is still the victim of the last prez is, well, victim politics. So if the left can't even protect the president from the big bad mean white men, you might as well just go ahead and throw in the towel and get a job.

[johno]

None of this shit is new, nor is it going away.

True. My Aunt worked as a censor for the US Gov't during WWII.

The extent and ramifications of our lost privacy is a conversation worth having.

True again. So why don't you make a substantive contribution, instead of playing defense attorney for Obama?

Dumping it all in the lap of the boogeyman negro, not so much.

The Last Refuge of a Cowardly Leftist. You're the one who dropped Nigger into the conversation, but want to imply that I'm a Klansman.
And you're the one who's painting the President of the United States as some helpless Negro puppet jerked around by nasty Texas Republicans. Is President Obama some special class retard, who can't exercise the powers of the presidency?

Go fuck yourself. Seriously. With a pointy stick or your Obama statue.

[Holland Oates]

I really don't like agreeing with Johno.

[johno]

C'mon, Ed...I know you want a hug.

[WildGorillaMan]

Reject tyrants who warn of voices.

[Holland Oates]

C'mon, Ed...I know you want a hug.

LOL

Snuggle buddies for life!

[TerryB]

Glad most of you have seized on the salient issue here: which team is most to blame.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Glad most of you have seized on the salient issue here: which team is most to blame.

Even though one team is much worse than the other (insert bad team's name here), let's assume that BushBama had, and continues to have, the best of intentions. Regardless, we have to determine how much of a surveillance state we want to live in.

I know I want less surveillance and more safeguards and will support candidates who share those principals. They exist in both parties.

Edward Snowden is the whistleblower behind these leaks. Time will tell if he's a hero or not, but I suspect that he is.

[Andy83]

This latest whistleblowin' dude(American contractor) in Hong Kong is saying he can wire tap anybody anywhere. This just after Obumnuts said nobody can do that. Do you trust your prezidant?

[Pinky]

Obama is Checking Your Email!

[Yes I Have Balls]

This latest whistleblowin' dude(American contractor) in Hong Kong is saying he can wire tap anybody anywhere. This just after Obumnuts said nobody can do that. Do you trust your prezidant?

You're much funnier when you write that that....

[Turdacious]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSq0qyYWKG8[/youtube]

[Protobuilder]

What's wrong with you liberty loving cunts??

Nobody here watches the news.

http://irongarmx.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=224312

Glad most of you have seized on the salient issue here: which team is most to blame.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0[/youtube]

[DrDonkeyLove]

As long as our guy is in charge, it's OK for gov't to get all up into our BoR grill. What shallow cuntz we are.
From Pew Research

[Andy83]

Could it be that there areso many millions of muslims occupying the country that they have to comb the entire population in order to locate and assassinate all them mutherfuckers?

[baffled]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

[Bob Wildes]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

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That number must not be counting Black Muslims.

[Andy83]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

Well OK, then drop the word muslim and turn your attention to illegal aliens. Supposedly there are millions of those around us.

[baffled]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

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That number must not be counting Black Muslims.

As far as I can tell it does:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_t ... mographics

And depending on who's doing the research, as of 2010, Muslims may make up as much as ~2%. Other numbers may differ, but they're not exactly so numerous that they're crawling around every city, planting dirty bombs and IEDs, scouting buildings to convert to mosques and dot the skylines with minarets.

Vigilance = good. Making an entire group of people the boogeyman = bad.

Digital surveillance on every customer of a phone carrier and all sorts of other digital communication = tyranny.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

Well OK, then drop the word muslim and turn your attention to illegal aliens. Supposedly there are millions of those around us.

Unlike most inner city "folks", Illegal aliens are more likely to be out busting their asses contributing to the economy and less likely to be on facebook and twitter conspiring to blow shit up.

[baffled]

Given that as of 2005 Muslims made up ~.5% of the American population, and by 2010, that number had jumped to a whopping .8%, I doubt we're in dire need of an ethnic cleansing any time soon.

Well OK, then drop the word muslim and turn your attention to illegal aliens. Supposedly there are millions of those around us.

Unlike most inner city "folks", Illegal aliens are more likely to be out busting their asses contributing to the economy and less likely to be on facebook and twitter conspiring to blow shit up.

Word. I have a problem with some of the benefits we've given our illegals here in California, but illegals tend to be a net gain and keep their heads down and out of trouble.

It's their shitty little offspring that tend to be the problem out here.

[Testiclaw]

[Andy83]

Why does everybody think illegals are all Mexicans?