Orlando Tragedy

[johno]

Have you guys heard? Some baker refused to make a wedding cake for some gay dudes. And, get this...the baker is a CHRISTIAN!!! Maybe a Republican, too!

[Protobuilder]

Have you guys heard? Some baker refused to make a wedding cake for some gay dudes. And, get this...the baker is a CHRISTIAN!!! Maybe a Republican, too!

If Trump wouldn't make people so angry, we would all have cakes.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Article here from America's self described "most dangerous faggot".

Saddle up, homos. If the media and politicians won't protect us, it's time to protect ourselves.

Photo of gay Muslim man in a hurry to attend an ISIS sponsored rave?

[Herv100]

One person couldn't have bum rushed this guy? Indoors no less? WTF

[johno]

One person couldn't have bum rushed this guy? Indoors no less? WTF

My thoughts exactly.
And I can't imagine a long gun not getting grabbed in a crowded environment. There may be more to the story.

*****

PS - My strong speculation: Many of the fifty+ deaths occurred because it took three hours for the police to end the incident. The Golden Hour applies to gunshot wounds.

[Grandpa's Spells]

One person couldn't have bum rushed this guy? Indoors no less? WTF

It's quite possible more than one person did. Unfortunately, defeating a gunman in a surprise attack is hard.

[nafod]

One person couldn't have bum rushed this guy? Indoors no less? WTF

It's all about the surprise and executing maximum violence, I guess. Who the hell was anticipating that? You have to be conditioned to turn to the sound of the danger.

I instruct my students each year that if someone comes in shooting, the path to life is to throw everything you have at his eyeballs while rushing him, and then when you get to him pile on until he is motionless, and that while some of you will get shot and die, hopefully most will live. That's just the way it is. The look on their faces as I tell them this...

[Schlegel]

The 3 hour wait is unfathomable. I though we'd learned from Columbine to go in fast. They surely could have saved some of those victims.

[Yes I Have Balls]

Another example of the price of freedom for living in this great land.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

[Grandpa's Spells]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

Of all the places where people can't have guns, bars/nightclubs make the most sense. Obviously.
The incident does call the logic of waiting for the cops into question, though.
This is two terrorist attacks on clubs in under a year. Maybe clubs should begin protecting themselves and their patrons. Maybe the police need to think about them as potential targets.

[nafod]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

Of all the places where people can't have guns, bars/nightclubs make the most sense. Obviously.
The incident does call the logic of waiting for the cops into question, though.
This is two terrorist attacks on clubs in under a year. Maybe clubs should begin protecting themselves and their patrons. Maybe the police need to think about them as potential targets.

There was armed security (off duty police officer) at the club.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

Of all the places where people can't have guns, bars/nightclubs make the most sense. Obviously.
The incident does call the logic of waiting for the cops into question, though.
This is two terrorist attacks on clubs in under a year. Maybe clubs should begin protecting themselves and their patrons. Maybe the police need to think about them as potential targets.

There was armed security (off duty police officer) at the club.

What happened? He get shot?
(Not arguing, just asking.)

[Schlegel]

Actually, lots of states do allow you to have a gun in a bar. Virginia does as of a few years ago, you just can't drink if CCing. I don't recall it ever causing any trouble.

[nafod]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

Of all the places where people can't have guns, bars/nightclubs make the most sense. Obviously.
The incident does call the logic of waiting for the cops into question, though.
This is two terrorist attacks on clubs in under a year. Maybe clubs should begin protecting themselves and their patrons. Maybe the police need to think about them as potential targets.

There was armed security (off duty police officer) at the club.

What happened? He get shot?
(Not arguing, just asking.)

Not 100% sure, but he got into a gunfight with the perp. This from Fox News site...

Sunday, 2:02 a.m. ET: Shooting erupts at Pulse, a gay nightclub in the heart of Orlando, as some 320 people enjoy the club’s “Latin flavor” event.

An officer working extra duty in full uniform at the club responds.

He and two officers nearby open fire on the shooter, and a gun battle ensues.

The shooter goes inside the club, where a hostage situation develops.

Advantage to the aggressor.

[Grandpa's Spells]

So much for "the police have guns to protect you."

Yeah, if only we could have guns in nightclubs.

Of all the places where people can't have guns, bars/nightclubs make the most sense. Obviously.
The incident does call the logic of waiting for the cops into question, though.
This is two terrorist attacks on clubs in under a year. Maybe clubs should begin protecting themselves and their patrons. Maybe the police need to think about them as potential targets.

The logic of "the cops have guns" assumes assholes can't buy an AR-15.

Adding guns into a alcohol-fueled environment is insane.

[johno]

Adding guns into a alcohol-fueled environment is insane.

You just described my house.

[johno]

There's one SOP for a hostage situation, another for Active Shooter. Apparently, Orlando SWAT treated it like a hostage situation. Maybe it was at that point.
Until it wasn't and they breached the building.

BUT, my impression is that the wounded in the building didn't get medical attention when the shooter was barricaded in the bathroom with hostages, which would call for a sort of hybrid response: secure part of the nightclub to treat victims and contain the shooter in the bathroom. (I know this can be done - I've done something similar.)

[nafod]

I predict we will find out the shooter was a closet gay. He knew exactly where to go.

[powerlifter54]

How does a poorly dressed Middle eastern guy get an AR-15 into a gay nightclub?

Shockingly i agree with Spells that guns can't be in a bar. As much as i am pro gun and pro carry that seems a bit too far. Firewater and firearms a bad mix. But on the other hand i rarely go anywhere i can't carry or doesn't have metal detectors. And don't stay anywhere that we can't GTFO of quickly if required.

Not that hard for me.

[Schlegel]

Shockingly i agree with Spells that guns can't be in a bar. As much as i am pro gun and pro carry that seems a bit too far. Firewater and firearms a bad mix.

If I suspect the drunk customers at a venue might cause me to pull a gun, I don't go there, gun or no gun.

But just being in a normal establishment that has alcohol while armed has not turned out to be a big deal. Every state that has changed the law to allow concealed carriers to be inside bars or restaurants, the prediction has been that the floors will run red with blood. And it's been wrong every time. It turns out licensed carriers try real hard to stay out of trouble. The only times we had violence at clubs here it was always illegally armed prohibited persons. The local establishments decided to try and reduce the chance of shootings/stabbings by no longer hosting Hip-Hop events. This tactic has proved very successful. Better than metal detectors and off-duty police. Caused a lot of local hand-wringing about prejudice,

[Kazuya Mishima]

I predict we will find out the shooter was a closet gay. He knew exactly where to go.

News coming out now about previous visits to the club, and use of a gay dating app. I thought something similar. Being a repressed Muslim homosexual has got to be a living hell.

[DARTH]

I predict we will find out the shooter was a closet gay. He knew exactly where to go.

News coming out now about previous visits to the club, and use of a gay dating app. I thought something similar. Being a repressed Muslim homosexual has got to be a living hell.

Their logic about being a fag and not a fag is strait out of how the ol'lady's late ex-con dad described niggers in prisons. "They'd all think that if they were fucking someone in the ass or getting their dick sucked, they are not a fag. it's OK in prison, but the other dude, he's a fag or a bitch.

Well that's fucking jawas to a t. They fuck boys in the ass, but the boy is the fag and must die, but they
are fine with the kid's shit all over their camel cock.

[Kazuya Mishima]

The sanpaku is strong with this one.