Presidential Election 2016 (was "Debates")

[Pinky]

Trump's only job is to not come off as sexist.

so pinky, how did donald do?

I was wrong. He also needed to appear mentally stable.

His claim that his temperament is his greatest strength was hilarious.

[Turdacious]

Overheard while in the city today: 'what would you do if you saw Donald Trump's face on a character in Minecraft?'

*stunned silence*

Imagine how much middle class white liberals will be paying in therapy bills for their kids if Trump is elected. Think of the children dammit!

[nafod]

I have to admit, I was semi-excited to hear what wikileaks had to put out on Hillary. I was betting on more poo flung at the millennials and deplorables. Assange pulled a leaf from Trump's notebook, though, and held a two hour press conference to sell himself.

Heh

[Pinky]

Whaddya know, an October surprise.

Why is anyone surprised by Trump's use of a loss carryfoward? Loss carryforwards are very common, and we already knew that Trump lost almost everything at some point in the '90s. It would be surprising if there weren't years when he had a massive carryforward.

This is no more a "surprise" than a story about Trump going on an offensive tangent during a long, rambling speech.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Whaddya know, an October surprise.

Why is anyone surprised by Trump's use of a loss carryfoward?

I'm surprised it leaked.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

Whaddya know, an October surprise.

Why is anyone surprised by Trump's use of a loss carryfoward?

I'm surprised it leaked.

Nobody who knows anything is genuinely surprised. They're just playing gotcha. Like with his remarks about vets with PTSD and Clinton supposedly calling Bernie voters "basement dwellers".
Who needs serious discourse when you can play this game?

[Yes I Have Balls]

Whaddya know, an October surprise.

Why is anyone surprised by Trump's use of a loss carryfoward? Loss carryforwards are very common, and we already knew that Trump lost almost everything at some point in the '90s. It would be surprising if there weren't years when he had a massive carryforward.

This is no more a "surprise" than a story about Trump going on an offensive tangent during a long, rambling speech.

For many average Americans it's really poor optics (and isn't that all that really matters to many, may people?). Majority already think the rich people have the system rigged in their favor and here is the GOP nominee proving it. If Clinton can frame this correctly, it could cause real harm to people not rabidly sold on Trump. IMO, the fact that he uses tax benefits to his advantage is nothing compared to illegally-self dealing out of his non-compliant "charitable" foundation or the fact that he can pander to steel workers in Ohio and Pennsylvania about China stealing all of their jobs, all the while Trump uses Chinese steel and aluminium to build multiple recent projects. Projects that could have brought $600+ million to some really needy American companies and families.

But, who am I to judge?

[nafod]

Whaddya know, an October surprise.

we already knew that Trump lost almost everything at some point in the '90s.

Yup, but that number...900,000,000. It's like the difference between knowing someone has open sores on their junk, and seeing it.

[dead man walking]

by a man who knows the "tiny-fingered vulgarian":

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/ ... nald-trump

[Yes I Have Balls]

To me, the issue isn't whether Trump takes advantage of every tax break there is. As a businessman, he can do as he pleases. Well, that all stopped last summer when he decided to run for POTUS. Not school board, city council or local magistrate - President of the United States. The most powerful job on the planet.

Once you commit to running, all the shit you pulled is gonna get brought to light and every time you lied under oath, stiffed a contractor, cheated on your wife, raped a minor, sexually harassed a woman, bribed politicians, used your foundation to pay your bills, collected loans from Russian and Chinese banks, did business with the Chinese for steel and aluminum, made deals with the Mob, did business with Cuba during the embargo, etc. etc. etc.

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... d-tax.html

[johno]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

[Yes I Have Balls]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I dunno. I thought this was a thread about Trump? Start a thread about her and we can rip into her antics. *shrug*

[Yes I Have Balls]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I dunno. I thought this was a thread about Trump? Start a thread about her and we can rip into her antics. *shrug*

Ooops. NVM, I was wrong. This is a thread about the debates. I'll continue on in the Trump thread.

[Turdacious]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I dunno. I thought this was a thread about Trump? Start a thread about her and we can rip into her antics. *shrug*

Ooops. NVM, I was wrong. This is a thread about the debates. I'll continue on in the Trump thread.

Good thing they don't bring up each other's records in the debates.

[Pinky]

by a man who knows the "tiny-fingered vulgarian":

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/ ... nald-trump

The historical analysis of Trump's hands at the end of this story is great.

[buckethead]

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[johno]

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

Nothing...

That's OK. I can't think of one reason to vote for her, either.

[nafod]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

...her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I'll speak to this one, since I was forward deployed to a nontraditional site that required a shit-ton of Dept of State integration at the time.

First, running your own server was stupid. Wrong. Etc. Boggles the mind. But there was no attempt to hide it.

But the entire DoS IT system was a joke. The entire system was cracked into by a foreign operator, not to be named. Every internal email was downloaded and read, on the unclass side.

Thanks to wikileaks, a hell of a lot of the email traffic on the classified side was also downloaded and given away to whomever.

Because of what State does, talking to foreign government at length, most comms with their governments would be considered classified, yet they like to use email too and they don't have SIPR access obviously, which means you send traffic via nonclass methods. Also, if someone who does not know something is classified (foreign government) gives me something that the USA considers is classified, then the email properly is a classified email. So if a friend of mine emails me at work a pile of stuff from wikileaks, even though the entire universe can now read it at home, my computer is now contaminated and would need to be handled by the security folks. This happens a lot.

When you are on the road, which you hopefully do a lot of when at State, you still need to communicate even without access to SIPR. What people do, and I saw a hell of a lot of it from both State and DoD, is you talk around it. A lot. It is the wrong thing to do, yet it gets done a lot by folks focused on mission accomplishment.

None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

[powerlifter54]

First, running your own server was stupid. Wrong. Etc. Boggles the mind. But there was no attempt to hide it.

.

Well except when they destroyed devices, deleted emails, and scrubbed the server after receiving a subpoena. Not to mention pleading the 5th and receiving immunity. I served in those same places as military and as a civilian and what she and her ilk did on a regular basis would have gotten me relieved, fired, and either fined or jailed.

The level of disregard for policy, procedure, and security, plus the numerous clear examples of Ms Clinton's ineptness and disdain on foreign policy, economics, and rule of law makes the Trump says mean things argument silly. Her level of corruption is truly epic.

He could never be as bad as what we KNOW Hilliary is.

This is not close.

[DikTracy6000]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

...her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I'll speak to this one, since I was forward deployed to a nontraditional site that required a shit-ton of Dept of State integration at the time.

First, running your own server was stupid. Wrong. Etc. Boggles the mind. But there was no attempt to hide it.

But the entire DoS IT system was a joke. The entire system was cracked into by a foreign operator, not to be named. Every internal email was downloaded and read, on the unclass side.

Thanks to wikileaks, a hell of a lot of the email traffic on the classified side was also downloaded and given away to whomever.

Because of what State does, talking to foreign government at length, most comms with their governments would be considered classified, yet they like to use email too and they don't have SIPR access obviously, which means you send traffic via nonclass methods. Also, if someone who does not know something is classified (foreign government) gives me something that the USA considers is classified, then the email properly is a classified email. So if a friend of mine emails me at work a pile of stuff from wikileaks, even though the entire universe can now read it at home, my computer is now contaminated and would need to be handled by the security folks. This happens a lot.

When you are on the road, which you hopefully do a lot of when at State, you still need to communicate even without access to SIPR. What people do, and I saw a hell of a lot of it from both State and DoD, is you talk around it. A lot. It is the wrong thing to do, yet it gets done a lot by folks focused on mission accomplishment.

None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

So, then a total open borders on everything will become the norm with a Clinton administration?

[tough old man]

We could always draft Trudeau down from Canada.....

[johno]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

...her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I'll speak to this one,...
None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

Irrelevant. She held some of the nation's most sensitive material and she left it completely unprotected, even after a hacking scare.

Was she so naive as to think that foreign powers would not want to know the contents of her server?
If so, she is so detached from reality that she is unfit for office.

*****
Then, when Congress began its investigation, she lied, impeded the investigation, exposed highly classified materials to her minions (without security clearances) to BleachBit files and to physically destroy multiple devices. Obstruction of justice.

Perhaps saddest of all, she (indirectly) corrupted the FBI. Comey & Co. are a disgrace and the Rule of Law looks like a joke.

[Yes I Have Balls]

And how do Trump's sins compare to Hillary's foreign policy disasters and her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

Nothing...

That's OK. I can't think of one reason to vote for her, either.

Oh, we're still on this? My bad. The only reason to vote for Hillary would be to keep Trump out of the White House. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

[Yes I Have Balls]

#POLLS 10/5
■REUT: CLINTON +7
■FDUP: CLINTON +9
■CBS/NYT: CLINTON +6
■NBC/SM: CLINTON +6
■YG: CLINTON +4
■CNN: C +5
■MC: C +6
■NOLA: C+10

Obama Coalition + more Latin/Asian/previous GOP women?

[nafod]

This ain't presidential. You're fired!

...her calculated disregard for protecting classified national secrets?

I'll speak to this one,...
None of the traffic suggested attempts to let secrets out. All of the traffic was between people with a need to know. It was the communication mechanism that was flawed.

Irrelevant. She held some of the nation's most sensitive material and she left it completely unprotected, even after a hacking scare.

Was she so naive as to think that foreign powers would not want to know the contents of her server?
If so, she is so detached from reality that she is unfit for office.

*****
Then, when Congress began its investigation, she lied, impeded the investigation, exposed highly classified materials to her minions (without security clearances) to BleachBit files and to physically destroy multiple devices. Obstruction of justice.

Perhaps saddest of all, she (indirectly) corrupted the FBI. Comey & Co. are a disgrace and the Rule of Law looks like a joke.

Have you read the source documents? My one recommendation to you is to read them yourself. You're retired, you've got the time.
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton