primary school shooting

[Holland Oates]

Had a school shooting here years ago. Books in book bags kept one or more kid from getting injured.

Great idea TOM.

[Pinky]

My kids backpacks have soft plates in them now. Got them from a cop buddy and built and insert for them.

It's your kid and everything, to each his own yada yada yada

But this strikes me as crazy. What are the pro's and con's of kids wearing bullet-resistant backpacks??

Don't worry. There are already calls to ban the sale of body armor to civilians.

[nafod]

My kids backpacks have soft plates in them now. Got them from a cop buddy and built and insert for them.

It's your kid and everything, to each his own yada yada yada

But this strikes me as crazy. What are the pro's and con's of kids wearing bullet-resistant backpacks??

Don't worry. There are already calls to ban the sale of body armor to civilians.

Body armor for kids is sold already. $500

http://www.amendment2.com/shop/centurio ... -children/

[Blaidd Drwg]

That's an ASSAULT VEST to you, Son.

[Thatcher II]

No need to panic.

[buckethead]

Sounds like you retards should teach your children statistics instead

[Shafpocalypse Now]

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/ ... n-control/

The best explanation for arming voluntary teachers I've seen so far

[Blaidd Drwg]

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/ ... n-control/

The best explanation for arming voluntary teachers I've seen so far

That's a fair read..

However any honest cop will tell you that when seconds count they are only minutes away. After Colombine law enforcement changed their methods in dealing with active shooters. It used to be that you took up a perimeter and waited for overwhelming force before going in. Now usually as soon as you have two officers on scene you go in to confront the shooter (often one in rural areas or if help is going to take another minute, because there are a lot of very sound tactical reasons for using two, mostly because your success/survival rates jump dramatically when you put two guys through a door at once. The shooter’s brain takes a moment to decide between targets). The reason they go fast is because they know that every second counts. The longer the shooter has to operate, the more innocents die.

Then they’ll say that this is impossible, and give me all sorts of terrible worst case scenarios about all of the horrors that will happen with a gun in the classroom… No problem, because this has happened before. In fact, my state laws allow for somebody with a concealed weapons permit to carry a gun in a school right now. Yes. Utah has armed teachers. We have for several years now.

There were four mass killing attempts this week. Only one made the news because it helped the agreed upon media narrative.

Oregon. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter confronted by permit holder. Shooter commits suicide. Only a few casualties.
Texas. NOT a gun free zone. Shooter killed immediately by off duty cop. Only a few casualties.
Connecticut. GUN FREE ZONE. Shooters kills until the police arrive. Suicide. 26 dead.
China. GUN FREE COUNTRY. A guy with a KNIFE stabs 22 children.

And here is the nail in the coffin for Gun Free Zones. Over the last fifty years, with only one single exception (Gabby Giffords), every single mass shooting event with more than four casualties has taken place in a place where guns were supposedly not allowed.

[powerlifter54]

My kids backpacks have soft plates in them now. Got them from a cop buddy and built and insert for them.

Most schools could be cleaned up 1000% in 1 day as far as security. Basic protocols work when practiced.

Officer Friendly needs to be able to run to the sound of the guns.

CT and Aurora have left me with no other conclusion that carrying at home is now a requirement. Not what i have available on a daily basis in Mr Obama's war, but some experts have made some suggestions for this CCL tool. And yes i do think i could handle a crazed shooter in a closed space.

[DPR]

I submitted my application for a concealed weapons permit yesterday.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Sounds like you retards should teach your children statistics instead

[Protobuilder]

Sounds like you retards should teach your children statistics instead

This is more of an appeal to probability type of crowd.

[Turdacious]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG2DBVexFWM[/youtube]

[Turdacious]

http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/ar ... in-chicago

Homicides in Chicago have reached a new high this year, even as recent data show that surging gun violence in the Windy City has slowed from its devastating midsummer heights.

With still three months of the year ahead, Chicago has seen 400 murders so far in 2012 as of Friday, marking a 25 percent increase over last year's numbers, WGN reports.

Tio Hardiman of Cure Violence (formerly Ceasefire) Illinois told the station that he expects the city may hit 500 homicides this year, a mark it has not reached in several years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/0 ... 29015.html

You wanted statistics?

[Grandpa's Spells]

http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/ar ... in-chicago

Homicides in Chicago have reached a new high this year, even as recent data show that surging gun violence in the Windy City has slowed from its devastating midsummer heights.

With still three months of the year ahead, Chicago has seen 400 murders so far in 2012 as of Friday, marking a 25 percent increase over last year's numbers, WGN reports.

Tio Hardiman of Cure Violence (formerly Ceasefire) Illinois told the station that he expects the city may hit 500 homicides this year, a mark it has not reached in several years.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/0 ... 29015.html

You wanted statistics?

Sure, but what on earth do you think this shows that is good for your argument?

[Turdacious]

Chicago gun laws are among the most restrictive in the country, yet has one of the highest murder rates for a city it's size. Not that his former Chief of Staff will ever publicly acknowledge that.

[DPR]

FBI statistics show violent crime is down 15% over the last 5 years.

[Turdacious]

It would be great if those stats included 2012, but they don't.

The city of Chicago has been screaming about its violent streets this summer, and rightly so. Public outrage over murder is a healthy sign that a city has not become numb to violence. Through July 19, this year's murder rate is up 31% from last year, with 289 Chicagoans killed, and shootings are up 6%

Violent crime has been decreasing for decades, but there are some commonalities in areas with high murder rates:

Add to this that in Illinois's Cook County, being arrested for a serious crime—even with a gun—often doesn't mean going to prison. In an April study, the Police Executive Research Forum found a simple truth when it examined violent crime in six cities (Chicago was not one): Where criminals caught in a violent crime with a gun can expect to serve significant time in state prison (as in San Diego), rates of gun violence are lower. Cities where many gun arrests do not result in any prison time, including Philadelphia and Chicago, have higher rates of violence. This is a no-brainer.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 93836.html
Note: BD don't read this-- it was written by Officer Friendly.

[DARTH]

It shows that it's a bullshit argument when the Euro's spout on.

We have 51% of murders (So manslaughter is not here. Pleas to manslaughter happen all the time) being commited out of a pool of 13% of the population.

Most are with weapons attainted through false pretenses, black market or stolen by themselves.

But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!

No new gun laws other than some renforcing of existing laws to keep guns out of the hands of nutcases and little weirdos on anti depresents and maybe putting a higher standard of security on parent's of these kids to secure their weapons, will do shit to prevent another shooting.

This Assult weapon shit is a power grab.

[odin]

just heard on news a few firefighters have been shot - 2 dead - responding to a house fire in New York area. Seems it was a trap.

I have been attacked quite a lot at work, but generally over here it's kids with bricks and bottles. I really haven't made up my mind on the gun issue, but on the whole I'm glad that getting shot at aint a hazard of the job over here. Gonna be a shitty christmas for the families of the dead. RIP.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Chicago gun laws are among the most restrictive in the country, yet has one of the highest murder rates for a city it's size. Not that his former Chief of Staff will ever publicly acknowledge that.

And yet, if you aren't poor and/or black, you are perfectly safe even there (and everyone is very aware of the murder rates, including Rahm). And the lack of CCW does not appear to impact that at all.

I don't like this; I'd prefer to be able to legally carry. But it's pretty apparent that fears of violence that require firearms to defend oneself against are, if you're a white male who isn't poor, aren't rational.

[Bobby]

Always had a hard time understanding why people attack ambulance and fire fighters.They even save the life of scum,so why attack the people who might save you?

[buckethead]

But more people are murderd with the baseball bat!

Don't be stupid Darth

[Turdacious]

Chicago gun laws are among the most restrictive in the country, yet has one of the highest murder rates for a city it's size. Not that his former Chief of Staff will ever publicly acknowledge that.

And yet, if you aren't poor and/or black, you are perfectly safe even there (and everyone is very aware of the murder rates, including Rahm). And the lack of CCW does not appear to impact that at all.

I don't like this; I'd prefer to be able to legally carry. But it's pretty apparent that fears of violence that require firearms to defend oneself against are, if you're a white male who isn't poor, aren't rational.

They act as a deterrent, especially against property crimes.

[odin]

Always had a hard time understanding why people attack ambulance and fire fighters.They even save the life of scum,so why attack the people who might save you?

we're part of the establishment & also soft targets, so fair game to degenerate inbred fucktards.