Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Jesus you're dumb as shit. You do know that the CWA is a multiheaded beast that's been amended many times? No code that I have ever seen, "mandates" any fine. It proscribes a range of possible fines. all of which are appeal-able.

What is at issue initially was that the Sacketts argued that the Corp had no jurisdiction. The mode they chose determined the initial outcome. SCOTUS slapped EPA pretty hard for not allowing judicial review earlier in the process.

Ultimately, if the Sacketts had argued the facts, (is it wetland or not?) they wouldn't be here.

[Turdacious]

Sackett v. United States Environmental Protection Agency, 566 U.S. ___ (2012), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the Clean Water Act is subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires an appeals process for any ruling by a federal agency. The Court ruled that the availability of immediate judicial review of compliance orders issued by the United States Environmental Protection Agency is required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackett_v. ... ion_Agency

This was decided mere months ago. I've said it before-- I'm not a lawyer. Explain it to me what I'm missing.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Sackett v. United States Environmental Protection Agency, 566 U.S. ___ (2012), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that the Clean Water Act is subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, which requires an appeals process for any ruling by a federal agency. The Court ruled that the availability of immediate judicial review of compliance orders issued by the United States Environmental Protection Agency is required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackett_v. ... ion_Agency

This was decided mere months ago.

Yes..and despite Wikipedia...you still don't understand it in the least.

[Turdacious]

SCOTUS slapped the EPA down mere months ago-- these bureaucratic processes have been in place for years.

You seem pretty intent on blaming the victim Officer Friendly.

[Blaidd Drwg]

SCOTUS slapped the EPA down mere months ago-- these bureaucratic processes have been in place for years.

You seem pretty intent on blaming the victim Officer Friendly.

Having worked in that arena it for some time, I do agree with the EPA's stated position that an enforcement action is not a final agency decision....because it's not. I'm pleased to see that SCOTUS found the rule to be unfair becuase it may violate another act governing procedures, more process makes more leverage for me. But at the end of the day, the Sacketts made a semantic argument. In reality they would have been better off doing their due diligence and working using the procedure in place which is in all relevant ways a better process than an administrative appeal. At the end of the day the "victims" were idiots and will lose their house on the merits of the actual case.

[TerryB]

^^ this debate has shed a lot of light on the subject of whether or not the libertarians can keep the republicans off the ballot

[buckethead]

^^ this debate has shed a lot of light on the subject of whether or not the libertarians can keep the republicans off the ballot

And who knew Louis L'Amour was involved

[Holland Oates]

I am so fucking confused.

[TerryB]

I am so fucking confused.

You don't know the important difference between Article I and Article III courts? and you didn't know that Congress has the authority to limit the jurisdiction of Article III courts?

haven't you read this thread????

[Holland Oates]

haven't you read this thread????

No. I mainly check for tits.

[johno]

Libertarians Sue to Have Romney Kicked Off Washington Ballot

So, if Libertarians are successful, Romney can't win in Washington? This changes what?

[Blaidd Drwg]

Libertarians Sue to Have Romney Kicked Off Washington Ballot

So, if Libertarians are successful, Romney can't win in Washington? This changes what?

The governors race for one is what some prognosticators are saying. Two it would be a big fick you to the two party status quo. But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

[TerryB]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

[buckethead]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

In six months we'll see a tv commercial with him drooling, saying this is the post he made while driving

[Blaidd Drwg]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

In six months we'll see a tv commercial with him drooling, saying this is the post he made while driving

walking.

[buckethead]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

In six months we'll see a tv commercial with him drooling, saying this is the post he made while driving

walking.

How did you get a brain injury walking?

[Blaidd Drwg]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

In six months we'll see a tv commercial with him drooling, saying this is the post he made while driving

walking.

How did you get a brain injury walking?

tripped while your wife was riding my face.

[TerryB]

:snigger

[buckethead]

But since it wont result iness to hope nirvana, its usel

well said

In six months we'll see a tv commercial with him drooling, saying this is the post he made while driving

walking.

How did you get a brain injury walking?

tripped while your wife was riding my face.

Is she ok?

[Blaidd Drwg]

From what I understand from doctors, it's wasn't legitimate rape so she should be just fine.

[TerryB]

From what I understand from doctors, it's wasn't legitimate rape so she should be just fine.

=D> =D> =D>

[buckethead]

Maybe I misspoke

[Turdacious]

BD seems a little out of sorts-- may have something to do with his blueberry consumption.

[buckethead]

Blueberries are wonderful on Kashi

[TerryB]

I can't even imagine the horror