I'd Hit It wrote:"Getting sneaky"? Lying under oath is still a big deal, man. Judge don't like it when you lie to him. They knew they were being recorded during phone calls, so they came up with a "code" (if you can call it that) where they dropped $1000 from the numbers they were discussing (i.e. $130=$130,000) and referred to their bank accounts and other accounts in code "Transfer to Peter Pan" = "Transfer to PayPal".
No fan of Z$ but this seems impossibly stupid and is hard to believe. Like the monitor is going to think, "Well, of course they're transferring to Peter Pan, that's some damn fine peanut butter and changing to that brand is just good sense." Creating obvious codes screams "Conspiracy."
johno wrote:
Who gets charged with perjury these days?
"Getting sneaky"? Lying under oath is still a big deal, man. Judge don't like it when you lie to him.
I'm all for aggressive pursuit of perjury, but I think there's a good deal of politics in this one.
My impression from the news is that people frequently receive a pass on perjury. Although maybe that's just in cases of falsely alleged rape or domestic violence. Ladies routinely get a pass on that shit.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
johno wrote:
Who gets charged with perjury these days?
"Getting sneaky"? Lying under oath is still a big deal, man. Judge don't like it when you lie to him.
I'm all for aggressive pursuit of perjury, but I think there's a good deal of politics in this one.
My impression from the news is that people frequently receive a pass on perjury. Although maybe that's just in cases of falsely alleged rape or domestic violence. Ladies routinely get a pass on that shit.
Grandpa's Spells wrote:No fan of Z$ but this seems impossibly stupid and is hard to believe. Like the monitor is going to think, "Well, of course they're transferring to Peter Pan, that's some damn fine peanut butter and changing to that brand is just good sense." Creating obvious codes screams "Conspiracy."
Given that the judge's kid went to school with Z's wife, and the judge was nice to Z up until the point the dude started lying under oath I don't know why he'd change his tune all of a sudden except that he was legitimately pissed Z and his wife were lying about their finances and gloating about the amount of money they were raking in.
Why did you link to an election from 2010 referencing candidates who are not Judge Lester?
Grandpa's Spells wrote:No fan of Z$ but this seems impossibly stupid and is hard to believe. Like the monitor is going to think, "Well, of course they're transferring to Peter Pan, that's some damn fine peanut butter and changing to that brand is just good sense." Creating obvious codes screams "Conspiracy."
You can listen to the phone calls if you want. They're linked in the article and are all over the internet.
Big deal-- if they'd communicated through the attorney, nobody would know about it. Not that that ever happens...
I'd Hit It wrote:Given that the judge's kid went to school with Z's wife, and the judge was nice to Z up until the point the dude started lying under oath I don't know why he'd change his tune all of a sudden except that he was legitimately pissed Z and his wife were lying about their finances and gloating about the amount of money they were raking in.
Why did you link to an election from 2010 referencing candidates who are not Judge Lester?
Lester is elected too, and has to show he wasn't lenient on Zimmerman if he wants to get reelected. And LOL at the idea that judges are nice-- they aren't elected to be nice.
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
If you were an alien race studying the American Justice system three patterns would be obvious.
1) though shalt not be poor.
2) though shalt not put unauthorized chemicals in your body
3) though shalt not ever ever ever ever lie to the police, judges or congressman
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Yes, Lester is worried about his election in two years, where surely everyone will remember this case and elect him or not on it. Because that's not an eternity in the news cycle, and everyone knows how popular and hotly contested judicial elections are. Not even really sure what your point is here.
The judge rolled over on every motion O'Mara (Zimmerman's attorney) made--up until the point when Zimmerman lied. I think it's more indicative of Zimmerman's character than anything else, but that won't be eligible as evidence for his trial.
I'd Hit It wrote:Yes, Lester is worried about his election in two years, where surely everyone will remember this case and elect him or not on it. Because that's not an eternity in the news cycle, and everyone knows how popular and hotly contested judicial elections are. Not even really sure what your point is here.
The judge rolled over on every motion O'Mara (Zimmerman's attorney) made--up until the point when Zimmerman lied. I think it's more indicative of Zimmerman's character than anything else, but that won't be eligible as evidence for his trial.
Tell that to David Prosser.
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Why aren't the libs acknowledging this perfectly reasonable "Stand Your Ground" verdict? In Texas no less. Link here.
A man who claimed Texas' version of a "Stand Your Ground" law allowed him to fatally shoot a neighbor after an argument about a noisy party was sentenced Wednesday to 40 years for murder....Rodriguez, a retired Houston-area firefighter, was angry about the noise coming from a birthday party at his neighbor's home. He went over and got into an argument with 36-year-old elementary school teacher Danaher and two other men at the party.
In a 22-minute video he recorded on the night of the shooting, Rodriguez can be heard telling a police dispatcher "my life is in danger now" and "these people are going to go try and kill me." He then said, "I'm standing my ground here," and fatally shot Danaher and wounded the other two men....Prosecutors called Rodriguez the aggressor who took a gun to complain about loud music and could have safely left his neighbor's driveway in Huffman, an unincorporated area about 30 miles northeast of Houston, any time before the shooting. Defense attorneys argued Rodriguez was defending himself when one of the men lunged at him and he had less than a second to respond.
At trial, prosecutors tried to show Rodriguez had a history of not getting along with Danaher and other neighbors.
One neighbor testified that Rodriguez, who had a concealed handgun license, bragged about his guns and told her a person could avoid prosecution in a shooting by telling authorities you were in fear of your life and were standing your ground and defending yourself. During the trial's punishment phase, neighbors, former co-workers and Rodriguez's ex-wife testified that Rodriguez was abusive, a bad neighbor and that he once shot a dog.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
DrDonkeyLove wrote:Why aren't the libs acknowledging this perfectly reasonable "Stand Your Ground" verdict? In Texas no less. Link here.
Lesson: don't shoot white people.
LOL
Actually the guy sounded like he thought he was just a little too clever. This sounds like some smug asshole who went to pick a fight and took his gun and thought he was Mr. Defense Attorney and thought he could use the stand your ground law to justify killing someone who pissed him off. We all know someone like this. There are several on this board. "Officer! I fear for my life! This man is threatening me with great bodily harm! I am preparing to stand my ground under Texas Statute 12345 and because of the things I jsut said, I cannot be arrested or prosecuted!!! *BANGBANGBANG!*"
Why does DDL think - that libs should be up in arms or cheering? It just sounds like an asshole is going to pay for his crime. Do we all not want that?
People have asserted that "stand your ground" laws are a "license to kill." I imagine that's what DDL was referring to.
"The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all."
Pinky wrote:People have asserted that "stand your ground" laws are a "license to kill." I imagine that's what DDL was referring to.
Thank you for helping Gorby. Sometimes the obvious escapes him.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
Trayvon Martin case: George Zimmerman not racist, FBI was told
Federal authorities investigating the death of black teenager Trayvon Martin interviewed dozens of people who knew shooter George Zimmerman -- and none said the neighborhood watch volunteer was racist, according to news reports of documents released Thursday.
The case has become a racial rallying cry for many Americans, with Martin's parents and activists contending that Zimmerman -- who is half-white, half-Hispanic -- racially profiled Martin when he trailed and shot the unarmed 17-year-old earlier this year. Martin was walking through a gated community in Sanford, Fla., at the time.
The Sanford Police Department's initial refusal to arrest Martin added fuel to the fire. The 44 days between the Feb. 26 shooting and Zimmerman’s arrest led to protests, the firing of the Sanford police chief and the launch of a U.S. Justice Department civil rights investigation. Zimmerman was ultimately charged with second-degree murder.
But in evidence released in the case Thursday, FBI agents said they interviewed an array of people in Zimmerman’s life, the Orlando Sentinel reported, and none said they saw hints of racial bias.
Gorbachev wrote:Pinky, here's a helpful hint. If you say someone was arrested and they were only questioned, accept that you were wrong. Arguing with facts taints whatever legitimate arguments you might have with assholeness.
As to the rest of it, we'll have to disagree. My perception of what a criminal justice system should do, and yours, appear to be at odds. I say "appear to be" because I don't think you're playing the ball. You're allowing your own position on other matters to cloud your analysis of this case. That's understandable, but makes rational discourse with you on this topic nigh on impossible.
Stop commenting on our system you euro-slave fuck.
In America, that's arrested dipshit.
"God forbid we tell the savages to go fuck themselves." Batboy
The bottom line is that Trayvon, or Tray, or T, or Lil Tray, or Tay-Tay, or whatever the fuck he called himself, decided to go WorldStarHipHop on someone who had the temerity to stop him and ask him what he was doing. I imagine the fact that Zim is a short, soft looking beaner had something to do with the hooded one disregarding normal human behavior, and setting forth to beating on his ass and fetching himself a nice little "ya'll niggaz aint gone belee what I jus did" story for his Facebook page. Well, Zims was surely a soft target, but he was also an armed target and what we are left with in the aftermath is Generation Z's very own 'Bonfire of the Vanities'.
Officer: Trayvon Martin target a 'no-shoot training aid'
A Florida police officer fired for bringing targets resembling Trayvon Martin to a gun range apologized to the shooting victim's family "for being used as a pawn in somebody's political agenda" but said the targets are a valuable training tool.
Police Sgt. Ron King denied claims by Port Canaveral Interim Chief Executive Officer John Walsh that King was leading target practice with two other officers and a civilian earlier this month when he asked the group if they wanted to shoot at the targets.
The Port Canaveral Police Department fired King on Friday following an internal investigation, according to port officials.
King, a firearms instructor, denied in a video posted on YouTube that he suggested anyone shoot at the target, which features a faceless silhouette of a person in a hoodie holding a beverage can, a pack of Skittles candy tucked in a pocket. A bull's eye appears on its chest.
Trayvon Martin, 17, was wearing a hoodie and carrying Skittles and a can of iced tea on Feb. 26, 2012, when he was fatally shot by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, then 28, in a gated Sanford, Fla., community.
King, in his video, referred to the target as "no-shoot training aid" and said it should be used only as an example of a situation where an officer should not fire his gun.
"Using real-life situations as a training scenario is not uncommon," King said.
King apologized to Trayvon's family and to any law enforcement professionals who may have been embarrassed by the publicity swirling around the incident. He accused an unnamed officer of inventing details of the incident to damage the credibility of the police department's leadership.
... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/2081467/
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
George Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gunshot
(CBS) A former neighbor of George Zimmerman testified he saw two men in a "tussle" outside his home the night of Feb. 26, 2012, and said he now believes the person on top in the altercation - which would moments later turn fatal - was Trayvon Martin.
I'm not sure how the Prosecution thought he would help their case.
Unless Good's account is discredited, or there is some other witness to testify that Z initially attacked Martin, the wheels have come off the Prosecution Bus.
Seeing Martin's father in the courtroom breaks my heart. Hearing that Zimmerman's parents can't be there to support him pisses me off (though I understand the reason).
I've got a feeling that a wannabee thug met up with a wannabee deputy dawg and one of them got very unlucky. Nothing more than that. Neither of the protagonists resonates with me as a particularly good guy. Regardless, if Z gets off I don't want to be anywhere near a black neighborhood for a few hours.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
Let our resident hipster have his moment of outrage.
