So, Rolling Stone...

[bennyonesix]

:rolleyes:

[johno]

It is identity/tribal politics out there: us v them. Analyzing it any other way is useless.

Nailed it.

[TerryB]

Why are you holding Rolling Stone to our value system?

They openly reject us and our values.

To them, our honesty and integrity etc are at best hollow and most often cover for oppression.

This reporter was doing what she was hired to do.

If you read her apology, it was for failing her tribe, not violating our legal/ethical standards.

Look fuckers, us white men (for lack of a better term) and our trans-tribal ideology has lost. It is identity/tribal politics out there: us v them. Analyzing it any other way is useless.

I shit you not, our internal enemies/opponents/SJW think this shit is WWE with it's meta wink and nod and it's over the top drama.

That's the best explanation I've seen so far.

*sigh*

The number of thin-skulls who find B16's simplistic descriptive framework insightful and useful:

-johno
-WGM

[Protobuilder]

Why are you holding Rolling Stone to our value system?

They openly reject us and our values.

To them, our honesty and integrity etc are at best hollow and most often cover for oppression.

This reporter was doing what she was hired to do.

If you read her apology, it was for failing her tribe, not violating our legal/ethical standards.

Look fuckers, us white men (for lack of a better term) and our trans-tribal ideology has lost. It is identity/tribal politics out there: us v them. Analyzing it any other way is useless.

I shit you not, our internal enemies/opponents/SJW think this shit is WWE with it's meta wink and nod and it's over the top drama.

That's the best explanation I've seen so far.

*sigh*

The number of thin-skulls who find B16's simplistic descriptive framework insightful and useful:

-johno
-WGM

Turd finds him dreamy.

[bennyonesix]

Why are you holding Rolling Stone to our value system?

They openly reject us and our values.

To them, our honesty and integrity etc are at best hollow and most often cover for oppression.

This reporter was doing what she was hired to do.

If you read her apology, it was for failing her tribe, not violating our legal/ethical standards.

Look fuckers, us white men (for lack of a better term) and our trans-tribal ideology has lost. It is identity/tribal politics out there: us v them. Analyzing it any other way is useless.

I shit you not, our internal enemies/opponents/SJW think this shit is WWE with it's meta wink and nod and it's over the top drama.

That's the best explanation I've seen so far.

*sigh*

The number of thin-skulls who find B16's simplistic descriptive framework insightful and useful:

-johno
-WGM

You make me

[TerryB]

What kind of idiot throws a sports themed birthday party for a dog??

[DrDonkeyLove]

What kind of idiot throws a sports themed birthday party for a dog??

Dog looks more like he's into fantasy leagues anyway.

[Protobuilder]

What kind of idiot throws a sports themed birthday party for a dog??

How would I know?

[TerryB]

That filthy mongrel appears to have infected eyes.

I love dogs!

[Turdacious]

hittin' switches on bitches-- Swedish style

[Schlegel]

Rolling Stone just lost in court to the dean they smeared. Damages not announced yet, but she is seeking 7.5 mill.

[baffled]

Yup.

It's a pretty big deal, but I noticed almost nothing in terms of regular news coverage. Even with the election coverage, there should have been more made of this.

[Herv100]

What scumbag would read that magazine, much less work for them?

[Schlegel]

Couple of astounding things I got from trial coverage- first, Erdely had a contract for $300,000 to write 7 stories. That means she was paid over 40K for this. That little number should make Seeahill turn over in his grave after he's done drowning.

Second, the money quote from Wenner in his deposition: "We did everything reasonable, appropriate up to the highest standards of journalism to check on this thing. The one thing we didn't do was confront Jackie's accusers - the rapists."

I'm betting testimony like that helped meet the reckless disregard for the truth standard required since Eramo was judged to be a limited public figure.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

I picked up a Rolling Stone for the first time in many years. Man, the magazine has lost a lot of heft. About 2/3 thinner than I remember it.

[Schlegel]

Paper costs money. You know what else costs money? Video of Jann Wenner saying they were wrong to retract the story played in front of a jury.

[Schlegel]

3 mill. Not bad. I had hoped they'd have to pay out when I saw the damage control lies start coming out.

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

Rolling Stone should have gone the way of Gawker over this bullshit.

[bennyonesix]

Rolling Stone should have gone the way of Gawker over this bullshit.

They very well could. They were awarded punitives and a finding of malice was made. The case against the frat is much stronger. It depends on the capitalization of the magazine.

[seeahill]

All this is a little amusing to me. Back when I started at RS --- I wrote my first story for them in 69 and was hired in 70 --- we were a little tabloid counter-culture publication. We wanted to do good journalism but no one took us seriously. Nevertheless, in our office, the fact-checking department was was sacrosanct. You couldn't get anything published unless the fact checkers approved it. I learned to get my facts straight and be able to defend them. (I could tell you about a law suit or two that were dropped after the lawyers saw my research.)

In any case, RS became a force. I recall a party in the office when we achieved 100,000 subscribers. I recall a cartoon in the New Yorker: a socialite looking old guy in a suit. His wife is saying to him: "when did you start quoting Rolling Stone."

It was because we said shit that the rest of the media wasn't saying and when people checked our facts, they were correct. I was proud of that.

Of course, I was fired. In fact, I was fired six times and re-hired every time. That's because I wrote what I thought was right, in a style that may not have fit. But people read me.

I haven't worked for RS in 20 years. The magazine business has suffered in those years. Fact checkers are way too big an expense these days. The office in NY, when I last visited about 10 years ago, looked like it was manned by some skeleton crew. Fact checkers nearly gone, proof readers nearly gone.

In any case, Rolling Stone, known for getting it's fact right, got them wrong. Big time. I still have some affection for the magazine that essentially launched my career. But I learned, from Rolling Stone back in the day, that no story means anything if you don't have the facts.

[Andy83]

You're stupid. Nobody wants boring facts. Everybody wants bullshit fiction and lies. It's taken you 20 years and you just don't get it. Loser.

[seeahill]

You're stupid. Nobody wants boring facts. Everybody wants bullshit fiction and lies. It's taken you 20 years and you just don't get it. Loser.

I understand that you've assaulted a nurse in the old folks home and also pooped in the peanut butter.

[Andy83]

Shocking isn't it?

[seeahill]

Shocking isn't it?

So said the judge...

[Andy83]

Check your facts. I didn't poop(shit) in the peanut butter. I pissed in a nigger's oatmeal. The nurse begged me to give her a rough fuck.