Russia and Ukraine

[Fat Cat]

what a pathetic hipocricy

Bill, explain what you mean .

[Wild Bill]

my words were not about that certain quote, but about whole article.

[Wild Bill]

All this shit was provoked and after that supported by EU.
During maidan there always lurked one after another EU (and USA) politics. Said speeches, promised support.
What whoud you say if politics from some country come to USA and saing speech in support for armed revolt?
And they saw that main strength of maidan were nazis, and supported them.

EU supported armed revolution in Europeian country!

[Batboy2/75]

I see all sorts of assholes on Facebook talking about WWIII with this shit with Russian/Ukraine and Venezuala.

When the Russians are maching in Paris and singing the Host Wessel Lied, I'll get worried. Until then this is a regional conflict with roots going back hundreds of years. Not our problem.


Obama and McCain can go stick a thumb up their asses and spin.

[Wild Bill]

In other words EU throw away legit goverment to replace it with one wich will obey them?
And they talking about Russia's agression? About "European values".
I would say, "shit on such values" :)

[Fat Cat]

All this shit was provoked and after that supported by EU.
During maidan there always lurked one after another EU (and USA) politics. Said speeches, promised support.
What whoud you say if politics from some country come to USA and saing speech in support for armed revolt?
And they saw that main strength of maidan were nazis, and supported them.

EU supported armed revolution in Europeian country!

Even if all of that is true, do you think that what Putin is doing is in the long term interest of Russians? You must understand, we Americans don't give a nigger fuck about Ukraine, but you guys are looking pretty angry and unhinged right now.

[Wild Bill]

"Was Hitler done with the Anschluss? No. Neither will Russia be satisfied just with Ukraine. And after Ukraine, Russia can only have one target – the Baltic states."

this is hipocrisy for me, conciderin that it is they who are agressors here. It is they throw away legit government.

[Fat Cat]

"Was Hitler done with the Anschluss? No. Neither will Russia be satisfied just with Ukraine. And after Ukraine, Russia can only have one target – the Baltic states."

this is hipocrisy for me, conciderin that it is they who are agressors here. It is they throw away legit government.

The article was written by an understandably alarmed Estonian.

[Wild Bill]

All this shit was provoked and after that supported by EU.
During maidan there always lurked one after another EU (and USA) politics. Said speeches, promised support.
What whoud you say if politics from some country come to USA and saing speech in support for armed revolt?
And they saw that main strength of maidan were nazis, and supported them.

EU supported armed revolution in Europeian country!

Even if all of that is true, do you think that what Putin is doing is in the long term interest of Russians? You must understand, we Americans don't give a nigger fuck about Ukraine, but you guys are looking pretty angry and unhinged right now.

Not quite true. Right now it is ukraineans who protests against nazis.
Putin still waits.

[Wild Bill]

"Was Hitler done with the Anschluss? No. Neither will Russia be satisfied just with Ukraine. And after Ukraine, Russia can only have one target – the Baltic states."

this is hipocrisy for me, conciderin that it is they who are agressors here. It is they throw away legit government.

The article was written by an understandably alarmed Estonian.

Why he wasn't alarmed when they suported maidan?

[Fat Cat]

Because he also lives in a country that shares a border with Russia and has a sizable ethnic Russian population. Note the parallels.

He is also the former Estonian ambassador to Russia

[Wild Bill]

Because he also lives in a country that shares a border with Russia and has a sizable ethnic Russian population. Note the parallels.

He is also the former Estonian ambassador to Russia

"не буди лихо пока оно тихо"
or English analogue may be "do not wake sleeping dog"?

Ukraine was peasefull country. Only 1 year was before next elections
Those idiots supported this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi_B637FCDY[/youtube]

[Wild Bill]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q4TaZyKv3Y[/youtube]

[Wild Bill]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjR_0hcFgh0[/youtube]

[Wild Bill]

And now those thugs marching on the streets and shouting "knifes for Russians!"
No wonder people scared.
And started protests already against them.
People of Crimea do not want them on their teritory.

In that case interests of Russia coincided with their :)

[Wild Bill]

Because he also lives in a country that shares a border with Russia and has a sizable ethnic Russian population. Note the parallels.

He is also the former Estonian ambassador to Russia

Yes, i see parallels.
But people in Estonia do not afraid for their lives.

[Fat Cat]

Because he also lives in a country that shares a border with Russia and has a sizable ethnic Russian population. Note the parallels.

He is also the former Estonian ambassador to Russia

"не буди лихо пока оно тихо"
or English analogue may be "do not wake sleeping dog"?

Ukraine was peasefull country. Only 1 year was before next elections
Those idiots supported this:

You didn't answer my question.

Even if all of that is true, do you think that what Putin is doing is in the long term interest of Russians?

[Wild Bill]

Answer that it is hipocricy. At first started all this shit, and after shit started, cry about agressive Russia.
It is Russia who slightly calmed hot heads right now.

[Fat Cat]

I'm not crying about anything, I'm asking you whether Russia's current trajectory is in its long term interests.

[Wild Bill]

"Even if all of that is true, do you think that what Putin is doing is in the long term interest of Russians?"

How could i know?
I am just nerd from small town.

But may be it is only chanse to preserve bases in Black sea?

[Wild Bill]

I'm not crying about anything,.

i ment that Estonian ambasador.

[Wild Bill]

But may be it is only chanse to preserve bases in Black sea?

I mean, it is doubtedly that those nazis would extend the lease.

[Wild Bill]

Its still just saber-rattling. to calm down those nazis.
All troops are still near border.

I was right about saber-rattling.
In news something about "military exercises are ended. All troops returned to permanent bases."

[Wild Bill]

But not all clear what about scared russians in Crimea :)

[nafod]

OHMYGODNAZIS

I'm picturing some Crimean Tatar being held and tortured in a Russian prison saying, "At least they aren't Nazis."

Look, we get it. Russia wants the Ukraine back. Of course the smart Ukrainians want to align with the EU. Russia has the economy of Italy, while the EU has the economy of Italy plus a bunch of much bigger economies. Ukrainians would be acting in their own economical disinterest to align with Russia. Unless Russia were to threaten violence. And so here we are.