This puts Bergdahl, Benghazi, etc. in the shade

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:19 pm

I think he's saying we should have stayed out of Iraq in the first place.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:20 pm

nafod wrote:Trying to win in the Middle East is like trying to cure your case of AIDS or Herpes.

This is why we need Magic Johnson running the State Department.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:46 pm

TomFurman wrote:I read the comments by Nathan Wagar on Facebook last night. He kind of nailed it.

Nathan Wagar
13 hours ago · Edited
I'm watching the exact areas where I was deployed get overrun by terrorists, and....nothing. We fucked those people so hard in the ass, and the ones that stood up with us are paying the hardest price. Pray for Major Ali Shakir and his men; they are the only ones refusing to give in.

This country is going to burn for its sins, and I could give a fuck less.

Obviously everyone has already seen his post, Tom. I mean who isn't following Nathan Wagar, the professional trainer from Crazy Monkey University in New Mexico.

Duh.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:26 pm

If he served there what he says fucking matters a lot.

Sounds like my step dad and his friends but harsher and so it should be because we had got it in the 80s that we should not walk away from what our troops fight and bleed for in a way that undoes everything gained in the span of 3 quarters of a Presidency.

TomFurman · Post by **TomFurman** » Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:42 pm

Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country. Although the reference to him owning a Crazy Monkey gym is hilarious.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:11 am

TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.

Yeah, no. That's something people who've never served think they're supposed to say. Most of us (veterans) are cogs in the machine. 100% replaceable. If you think every Tom, Dick and Jane wearing a uniform is the reason you live in a semi-free country, you're nuts. Now the Kraut and Jap killers from the 40s, they helped a lot. The guys who fought in Nam? Not really. The gulf wars? Give me a break. Panama? Grenada? LOL

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:19 am

TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country. Although the reference to him owning a Crazy Monkey gym is hilarious.

I'm pretty sure bux sat in the back of an F18 eating pot brownies.

buckethead · Post by **buckethead** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:52 am

12.5 years doesn't count but Darf knows what it's like cuz of his step dad and their friends. BTW, I was making fun of yet another of Furman's obscure dennis miller type of references. Not a political statement on Iraq. Which, I agree with whoever said turn the whole area into a specops playground, with little to no regular troops.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:04 am

T>1200 wrote:
TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.
Yeah, no. That's something people who've never served think they're supposed to say. Most of us (veterans) are cogs in the machine. 100% replaceable. If you think every Tom, Dick and Jane wearing a uniform is the reason you live in a semi-free country, you're nuts. Now the Kraut and Jap killers from the 40s, they helped a lot. The guys who fought in Nam? Not really. The gulf wars? Give me a break. Panama? Grenada? LOL

Somebody hates the troops.

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:37 am

T>1200 wrote:
TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.
Yeah, no. That's something people who've never served think they're supposed to say. Most of us (veterans) are cogs in the machine. 100% replaceable. If you think every Tom, Dick and Jane wearing a uniform is the reason you live in a semi-free country, you're nuts. Now the Kraut and Jap killers from the 40s, they helped a lot. The guys who fought in Nam? Not really. The gulf wars? Give me a break. Panama? Grenada? LOL

Their willingness to serve as cogs in the machine, along with its concomitant sacrifices and annoyances, is the essential first ingredient to our freedoms. Choosing to be any cog in that machine is meritorious and worthy of gratitude.

Even the lowliest assistant cook or assistant to the assistant clerk are separated from their families at very inconvenient and sometimes very painful times. Sometimes they're in uncomfortable conditions near harms way if not actually in it. They might not be the fire breathing best of the best, but they serve a necessary function. The guy who puts the air in the tires of an F-15 is every bit as necessary as the pilot.

All sacrifices aren't created equal, but I'm grateful to some degree to all who've served regardless of their position. Obviously, those who've gone through hell deserve our utmost.

milosz · Post by **milosz** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 2:23 am

TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.

No, we have a free country because our system of government maintains civilian control over the military and succeeds at keeping power inside the military from pooling to any one person or small group of people.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:55 am

milosz wrote:
TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.
No, we have a free country because our system of government maintains civilian control over the military and succeeds at keeping power inside the military from pooling to any one person or small group of people.

It's actually kind of an interesting argument that the Founding Fathers thought a key to a free country was a minimal standing army, counting on the militia and people for defense. How far we've come from that, but thankfully the dedication to civilian control runs deep in our military.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 5:38 am

Maybe we should figure out how to get our vets a timely doctor's appointment before we make any more.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:34 am

Fat Cat wrote:Maybe we should figure out how to get our vets a timely doctor's appointment before we make any more.

Thanks to the vets it's not a communist country. Therefore, if they have enough cash they can walk into the best hospitals and have the best doctors give them the best health care in the world.

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:32 pm

nafod wrote:
milosz wrote:
TomFurman wrote:Yes. Hilarious. Because of Batboy, PL54, T.O.M and Nathan Wagar,.. we have a free country.
No, we have a free country because our system of government maintains civilian control over the military and succeeds at keeping power inside the military from pooling to any one person or small group of people.
It's actually kind of an interesting argument that the Founding Fathers thought a key to a free country was a minimal standing army, counting on the militia and people for defense. How far we've come from that, but thankfully the dedication to civilian control runs deep in our military.

Yes, thankfully the civilians in the White House, CIA, NSA, et al. have preserved our freedom forever more.

IGX

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