So..... Trump. Good Crazy or Bad Crazy?

[bennyonesix]

I know how crazy this sounds but I am not 100% against him.

If he goes after the most important issues by far facing this country (in the mind of Irongarm's own bennyonesix):

1) federal employee unions
2) election fraud
3) the Mexican Border and
4) Infrastructure....

I would be in...

[Blaidd Drwg]

Infrastructure I'll give you.....based on the issues you picked...the only confirmed crazy is you.

[bennyonesix]

You gots to change the rules of the game to get the outcomes you want bro!

X set of rules = Y outcome!

What are your Top 4 then dude ?

[Blaidd Drwg]

You gots to change the rules of the game to get the outcomes you want bro!

X set of rules = Y outcome!

What are your Top 4 then dude ?

the 4 that we will never touch.

Deficit Spending/Offshore Debt
The Drug War/Prison Industrial Complex.
Infrastructure.
The Big Three Entitlements. Social Security/Medicaid/Medicare

i kid of course...you're not that crazy. I give zero fux about Mexico though

[climber511]

Trump has about the same chance of getting the nod as Benny has.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Trump has about the same chance of getting the nod as Benny has.

[bennyonesix]

Deficit Spending/Offshore Debt
The Drug War/Prison Industrial Complex.
Infrastructure.
The Big Three Entitlements. Social Security/Medicaid/Medicare

But we can't address those issues without fundamental structural change...

Those are all significant but second order concerns...

The question is: How does one write the rules such that Y outcome occurs?

Your outcome(s) is/are clear. But how do you change the system to get what you want. The current one does not create the desired result. Why?

I would say because the Fed Emp Union and election fraud work toward maintaining the status quo which means no action on all those issues.

[bennyonesix]

Trump has about the same chance of getting the nod as Benny has.

I'll grant you he is a clown. But damn maybe he can raise some issues!

[Blaidd Drwg]

Deficit Spending/Offshore Debt
The Drug War/Prison Industrial Complex.
Infrastructure.
The Big Three Entitlements. Social Security/Medicaid/Medicare

But we can't address those issues without fundamental structural change...

Those are all significant but second order concerns...

The question is: How does one write the rules such that Y outcome occurs?

Your outcome(s) is/are clear. But how do you change the system to get what you want. The current one does not create the desired result. Why?

I would say because the Fed Emp Union and election fraud work toward maintaining the status quo which means no action on all those issues.

How is it you decided that we cannot address those issues without fundamental structural change?

[dead man walking]

election fraud

for example?

[bennyonesix]

election fraud

for example?

Now that is funny.

Your response to allegations of wrongdoing is "Prove it!"?

[bennyonesix]

How is it you decided that we cannot address those issues without fundamental structural change?

the 4 that we will never touch.

[TerryB]

election fraud

for example?

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close...After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election. During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race. Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race.

[Protobuilder]

I love Trump so much. My real hope though is that Palin declares. Michelle Bachman and Nancy Pelosi as well. Toss in Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Chris Christie and decide the whole damn thing in a three-part debate-demolition derby-battle royal as the hoi polloi sit back and watch the whole thing on pay-per-view and marvel at the inevitable evolution of the Republic.

[nafod]

election fraud

for example?

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close...After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election. During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race. Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race.

What was the total number of people that voted in that race? What percentage of the ballots were potentially fraudulent?

[Protobuilder]

election fraud

for example?

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close...After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election. During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race. Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race.

What was the total number of people that voted in that race? What percentage of the ballots were potentially fraudulent?

Yeah, you need to show your work here.

[Turdacious]

I love Trump so much. My real hope though is that Palin declares. Michelle Bachman and Nancy Pelosi as well. Toss in Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Chris Christie and decide the whole damn thing in a three-part debate-demolition derby-battle royal as the hoi polloi sit back and watch the whole thing on pay-per-view and marvel at the inevitable evolution of the Republic.

I'm waiting for the Rachel Dolezal/Alan Grayson ticket.

[Protobuilder]

I love Trump so much. My real hope though is that Palin declares. Michelle Bachman and Nancy Pelosi as well. Toss in Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and Chris Christie and decide the whole damn thing in a three-part debate-demolition derby-battle royal as the hoi polloi sit back and watch the whole thing on pay-per-view and marvel at the inevitable evolution of the Republic.

I'm waiting for the Rachel Dolezal/Alan Grayson ticket.

I'm semi-hard from that.

[Hanglow Joe]

I want to see Trump up there on inauguration day and as he finishes his speech, he says, Barry Sotero, you're fired.

[dead man walking]

trump has already engaged in election fraud.

he had neil young's "rockin' in the free world" playing in the background when he was introduced. he didn't have permission to use the song, and neil young supports bernie.

trump is not trustworthy, which we already knew. vote for bernie.

[Grandpa's Spells]

He's not really running.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/why- ... one-chart/

[Protobuilder]

trump has already engaged in election fraud.

he had neil young's "rockin' in the free world" playing in the background when he was introduced. he didn't have permission to use the song, and neil young supports bernie.

trump is not trustworthy, which we already knew. vote for bernie.

Neil Young is Canadian.

Music is a universal language. so I am glad that so many people with varying beliefs get enjoyment from my music, even if they don’t share my beliefs.
But had I been asked to allow my music to be used for a candidate – I would have said no.

I am Canadian and I don’t vote in the United States, but more importantly I don’t like the current political system in the USA and some other countries. Increasingly Democracy has been hijacked by corporate interests. The money needed to run for office, the money spent on lobbying by special interests, the ever increasing economic disparity and the well funded legislative decisions all favor corporate interests over the people’s.

You see that as an endorsement for Bernie, I see it as a sign that he supports Hillar...no, I actually see two black women kissing deeply.

[Spiller]

if he can stop all the Mexicans from illegally crossing the boarder
and make the ones here speak English
I'll vote for him

[TerryB]

Welcome to the thread, Spiller

[Kenny X]

He's a rich asshole who doesn't know what it's like for Kenny X to live in America. Kenny X won't vote for him. Fuck him. He can suck Kenny X's balls, the prick.