Trumpling the Truth

[powerlifter54]

The reality is eventually the Dems will start winning again. But not with this cast of characters.

Cory Booker?

Maybe, but I suspect the shadow cast by Mr Obama, of the smooth talking non threatening black man who turned out to be not quite what he seemed, hurts Mr Booker a great deal. At least with the independents that they need to win back.

But you never know.

[Turdacious]

The Supreme Court handed a setback to the Trump administration on Thursday by making it harder for the government to strip immigrants of U.S. citizenship in a case involving an ethnic Serb woman who lied about her husband's military service after Yugoslavia's collapse.

The justices ruled 9-0 that a naturalized American citizen cannot be stripped of citizenship if a lie or omission on immigration forms was irrelevant to the government's original decision to grant entry into the United States.

They rejected the Trump administration's stance that the government should be able to revoke citizenship of people for even minor misstatements in the citizenship application process.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN19D1RJ
To be fair, it's also a 9-0 vote against the Obama administration's policy and a complicated case (her husband participated in the massacre at Srebernica).

[Grandpa's Spells]

I'd be worried about how McConnell is handling the secret bill drafting, if for no other reason than Democrats will absolutely do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. Making it easier to shove through unpopular legislation is worse for conservatives.

[Turdacious]

I'd be worried about how McConnell is handling the secret bill drafting, if for no other reason than Democrats will absolutely do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. Making it easier to shove through unpopular legislation is worse for conservatives.

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand. MACRA's a piece of shit that HHS has neither the ability or interest in implementing effectively that clouds this entire discussion (not kidding, Medicare reimbursement really matters here); the Senate got the House proposal way too late in the 2018 insurance rate approval cycle to effectively debate the bill; there's no public indication that the administration will support it (it's 'mean' after all); and pretty much all 50 states have pretty serious Medicaid related budget problems right now (Illinois is number one FWIW).

[dead man walking]

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

horseshit.

the guy spent the obama years obstructing everything he could. now he's got the power. he doesn't have to rush through a steaming pile of dogshit.

if the circus hadn't shut down, the republican clowns might have had a chance at work that suited them.

[Turdacious]

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

horseshit.

the guy spent the obama years obstructing everything he could. now he's got the power. he doesn't have to rush through a steaming pile of dogshit.

Actually he does; he didn't get the House version of the bill until the 2018 insurance rate filing deadline had passed.

[nafod]

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

horseshit.

the guy spent the obama years obstructing everything he could. now he's got the power. he doesn't have to rush through a steaming pile of dogshit.

Actually he does; he didn't get the House version of the bill until the 2018 insurance rate filing deadline had passed.

Sad!

[dead man walking]

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

horseshit.

the guy spent the obama years obstructing everything he could. now he's got the power. he doesn't have to rush through a steaming pile of dogshit.

Actually he does; he didn't get the House version of the bill until the 2018 insurance rate filing deadline had passed.

Sad!

where in the constitution or the bible or twitter does it say the bill has to be completed by a specific date?

mitch's deadline is self-imposed.

i read somewhere that the admin is eliminating regulations to protect some turtles from trawlers. perhaps mitch will get caught in a fisherman's net. that would be justice.

[Turdacious]

With no deal on new health-care legislation and uncertainty about how long the White House will subsidize insurers' participation in the Affordable Care Act, states have begun pushing back deadlines for insurers to submit rates for 2018.

In the last week, New Hampshire, Kentucky and Colorado have moved rate deadlines to June from April or May to give insurers more time to assess the market.

New Hampshire had originally requested 2018 rates by April 24; that date is now June 2, according to a memo from the state's insurance department. Michael Wilkey, the department's director of life, accident and health insurance, told CNBC that new guidance from lawmakers or the White House could cause the deadlines to be pushed back further, if necessary.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/states-p ... ainty.html
With the bill coming out so late, insurers have limited time to assess the market (which increases risk and leads to higher rates), and state regulators have less time to evaluate the merits of the rate requests (and to prevent insurance failure will insist on high rates).

This places state insurance regulators in a terrible position.

[Turdacious]

But under the guidance of the Trump administration, the way the health law works, in practice, has already changed. High-profile actions—including threats to cut off federal payments for plans that offer reduced cost-sharing and an executive order casting doubt on enforcement of the law’s individual mandate—have jeopardized individual market risk pools and created uncertainty that is likely to lead to higher premiums and lower insurer participation.

Others moves have flown largely under the radar—but shouldn’t. A case in point: recent regulatory actions that reduce federal oversight of marketplace health plans, passing responsibility to the states for ensuring compliance with federal consumer protections.

To be sure, the Obama administration encouraged states to take the lead in enforcement of many of the ACA’s insurance reforms.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publica ... -oversight

The big commonality between the Obama and Trump administrations is that they both shift responsibility for enforcing federal policy to the states while providing insufficient funding.

[dead man walking]

With no deal on new health-care legislation and uncertainty about how long the White House will subsidize insurers' participation in the Affordable Care Act, states have begun pushing back deadlines for insurers to submit rates for 2018.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/18/states-p ... ainty.html
With the bill coming out so late, insurers have limited time to assess the market (which increases risk and leads to higher rates), and state regulators have less time to evaluate the merits of the rate requests (and to prevent insurance failure will insist on high rates).

This places state insurance regulators in a terrible position.

simple. extend subsidization of obamacare and take some time to behave like legislators.

the need to rush is a problem they created themselves.

of course, they'll have a wagonload of rationalizations for their approach. perhaps you can get kellyanne conway tp come on igx and explain using her upside-down, spin-for-the-win machine.

[Turdacious]

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... memo-1.pdf

[dead man walking]

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... memo-1.pdf

it is not helpful for you to send lengthy memos from years ago, which only reinforces my depressive tendencies. i prefer simply to think that i am right and you are wrong, facts be damned. that's the american way.

are you some health care policy guy in r.l?

[Yes I Have Balls]

I'd be worried about how McConnell is handling the secret bill drafting, if for no other reason than Democrats will absolutely do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. Making it easier to shove through unpopular legislation is worse for conservatives.

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

Yeah, I don't agree. The GOP had 8 years to come up with a basic plan. They had 2+ years to come up with a more detailed plan once the shortcomings of ACA were more clear and the results of their sabotage were seen.

Neither "healthcare" bill does ANYTHING to fix what is wrong with the ACA. All it does is take nearly a trillion $$ from poor, sick, old, and mentally ill people's healthcare program and return it to rich people in the form of a tax break.

[Turdacious]

I'd be worried about how McConnell is handling the secret bill drafting, if for no other reason than Democrats will absolutely do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. Making it easier to shove through unpopular legislation is worse for conservatives.

McConnell's been dealt an unfair hand.

Yeah, I don't agree. The GOP had 8 years to come up with a basic plan. They had 2+ years to come up with a more detailed plan once the shortcomings of ACA were more clear and the results of their sabotage were seen.

Neither "healthcare" bill does ANYTHING to fix what is wrong with the ACA. All it does is take nearly a trillion $$ from poor, sick, old, and mentally ill people's healthcare program and return it to rich people in the form of a tax break.

I don't think you understand what the word ANYTHING means. The Senate bill removes the tax penalty for not purchasing insurance (which, in its current form, is just a regressive tax); allows increased use of HSAs (which allows people to better save for health costs); allows small employers to join in associations so that they can self insure and reduce health care costs like large corporations do; and temporarily ends the 'Cadillac tax' (the one which penalizes corporations for offering their employees generous health care benefits). All of these things benefit working class and middle class people far more than the rich.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Turd, they remove massive amounts of funding and redistribute it as a tax cut. It is impossible for this not to hurt millions. They weren't keeping it a secret and skipping debate and hearings because of how happy everyone would be.

Mitch wasn't dealt a bad hand. He wants to cut benefits and taxes, which is what this does. Awful bill.

[Turdacious]

Turd, they remove massive amounts of funding and redistribute it as a tax cut. It is impossible for this not to hurt millions. They weren't keeping it a secret and skipping debate and hearings because of how happy everyone would be.

Mitch wasn't dealt a bad hand. He wants to cut benefits and taxes, which is what this does. Awful bill.

It cuts funding and taxes at a federal level and shifts the burden of responsibility to the states as a severely underfunded mandate. The amount of federal tax you pay may go down, but your state taxes will almost certainly go up.

Will it work better or worse? That's up to the states.
Will federal healthcare bureaucracies get out of the way so states can succeed? That's up to the administration.

[powerlifter54]

I'd be worried about how McConnell is handling the secret bill drafting, if for no other reason than Democrats will absolutely do the same when the shoe is on the other foot. Making it easier to shove through unpopular legislation is worse for conservatives.

After the Obamacare "you can keep your doctor " and Professor Gruber and "you have to pass it to see what is in it" Leftist nonsense, your weeping falls on deaf ears.

Conference should be a great show. Bottom line is anything is better than Obamacare.

See the Election Results from November for proof.

[johno]

The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy those who want it.
The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first rule of economics.

- Thomas Sowell

[nafod]

The republicans are the dogs who caught the Obamacare car. They never had a plan.

[Turdacious]

The republicans are the dogs who caught the Obamacare car. They never had a plan.

They had a plan, they just weren't prepared to deal with a plethora of major players in the position of fuck you.

[dead man walking]

deal with a plethora of major players in the position of fuck you.

what obama dealt with for two terms.

it's called life

[nafod]

The republicans are the dogs who caught the Obamacare car. They never had a plan.

They had a plan, they just weren't prepared to deal with a plethora of major players in the position of fuck you.

I have no idea what their plan was, and their lack of readiness was their failure to prepare.

[Turdacious]

The republicans are the dogs who caught the Obamacare car. They never had a plan.

They had a plan, they just weren't prepared to deal with a plethora of major players in the position of fuck you.

I have no idea what their plan was, and their lack of readiness was their failure to prepare.

Ryan's Better Way.
Republicans have the same core problems that Obamacare had-- it requires a bureaucracy competent to implement it, and doesn't put cost/benefit standards in place.

[nafod]

The republicans are the dogs who caught the Obamacare car. They never had a plan.

They had a plan, they just weren't prepared to deal with a plethora of major players in the position of fuck you.

I have no idea what their plan was, and their lack of readiness was their failure to prepare.

Ryan's Better Way.
Republicans have the same core problems that Obamacare had-- it requires a bureaucracy competent to implement it, and doesn't put cost/benefit standards in place.

• More choices and lower costs. Our plan gives you more control and more choices so that you can pick the plan that
meets your needs—not Washington’s mandates.
• Real protections and peace of mind. Our plan makes sure that you never have to worry about being turned away or having your coverage taken away—regardless of age, income, medical conditions, or circumstances.
• Cutting-edge cures and treatments. Our plan clears out the bureaucracy to accelerate the development of life-saving devices and therapies.
• A stronger Medicare. Our plan protects Medicare for today’s seniors and preserves the program for future generations

A lot of hand waving. I read the rest of it, which mostly lists a bunch of outcomes as opposed to actions. I get it, it is fodder for low information voters, but...details?

Is this what the Senate was given by the House?