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because of this:
The recent series of FBI leaks are particularly worrisome because they raise the prospect of a state security agency equipped with the full resources and investigative might of the federal government working to interfere in the elections. The FBI is so powerful — it can, with court approval, issue subpoenas, tap phones, intercept emails and conduct round-the-clock surveillance — that even a small coterie of its agents can find ways of influencing the political process.
that's old-time iron curtain behavior or what you might expect to see in an autocratic middle-eastern country.

the silence from the right in response to the behavior of vigilante agents is curious. next time, your ox could be gored.
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Which election are you talking about?
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dead man walking wrote:because of this:
The recent series of FBI leaks are particularly worrisome because they raise the prospect of a state security agency equipped with the full resources and investigative might of the federal government working to interfere in the elections. The FBI is so powerful — it can, with court approval, issue subpoenas, tap phones, intercept emails and conduct round-the-clock surveillance — that even a small coterie of its agents can find ways of influencing the political process.
that's old-time iron curtain behavior or what you might expect to see in an autocratic middle-eastern country.

the silence from the right in response to the behavior of vigilante agents is curious. next time, your ox could be gored.
the FBI was great when they didn't recommend charges, and now they're bad when they re-open it when new evidence came to light? I bet you would feel the same way about an investigation involving a crime against a family member of yours. Also, the Clinton Foundation investigation has been ongoing and has never stopped, genius.

Do you know what IS "old-time iron curtain behavior"? Destroying evidence after a subpeona and it being okay because the accused has a D after their name and is a government insider.
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the issue here is the leaks from rogue federal agents, not the investigations themselves. some leaks have been proven to be false, which is consistent with the behavior of stasi, et al.

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dead man walking wrote:because of this:
The recent series of FBI leaks are particularly worrisome because they raise the prospect of a state security agency equipped with the full resources and investigative might of the federal government working to interfere in the elections. The FBI is so powerful — it can, with court approval, issue subpoenas, tap phones, intercept emails and conduct round-the-clock surveillance — that even a small coterie of its agents can find ways of influencing the political process.
that's old-time iron curtain behavior or what you might expect to see in an autocratic middle-eastern country.

the silence from the right in response to the behavior of vigilante agents is curious. next time, your ox could be gored.
the FBI was great when they didn't recommend charges, and now they're bad when they re-open it when new evidence came to light?
This the most incredibly stupid argument.
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No, you're just a whiny bitch because the one you want to win is still being investigated. Also, that wasn't an argument, it was a question. That thing at the end of the sentence is called a question mark. Oh hey, did you finish your Inman mile yet?
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dead man walking wrote:the issue here is the leaks from rogue federal agents, not the investigations themselves. some leaks have been proven to be false, which is consistent with the behavior of stasi, et al.

if you're still puzzled, turd understands the point. perhaps he'll explain it to you.
Let's see some examples of "leaks from rogue agents"
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Herv100 wrote:No, you're just a whiny bitch because the one you want to win is still being investigated.
They should investigate, though he bungled the notification. But "oh you liked them before when they did X, but now they did Y and you don't like them" is fucking retarded. It is normal to react differently to different behavior.
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I thought your favorite insult was calling people retarded, like you just did. And I didn't know you actually tried that. I was making fun of you because only a complete dork would even think that is a cool or worthwhile "challenge"
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Weighted carries are worthwhile IMO
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dead man walking wrote:because of this:
The recent series of FBI leaks are particularly worrisome because they raise the prospect of a state security agency equipped with the full resources and investigative might of the federal government working to interfere in the elections. The FBI is so powerful — it can, with court approval, issue subpoenas, tap phones, intercept emails and conduct round-the-clock surveillance — that even a small coterie of its agents can find ways of influencing the political process.
that's old-time iron curtain behavior or what you might expect to see in an autocratic middle-eastern country.

the silence from the right in response to the behavior of vigilante agents is curious. next time, your ox could be gored.
Despite the breathless hysteria of the quote you selected, the Vox article makes it clear that the leaks are coming from disgruntled agents who have repeatedly been shot down by superiors. The leaks are wrong, but this is hardly a coordinated, iron-curtain-style operation.
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pinky,

you diminish the offense and simply observe it is "wrong" for federal intelligence agents to try to subvert the election.

i am struck that conservatives are not speaking loudly about how wrong that is. have they packed their principles away until after the election?
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If you view the rogue agents as whistle blowers, instead of partisan operatives, the leaks look less bad.

My guess is that neither the hysterical Vox view nor the noble whistle blower view is entirely correct.
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dead man walking wrote:because of this:
The recent series of FBI leaks are particularly worrisome because they raise the prospect of a state security agency equipped with the full resources and investigative might of the federal government working to interfere in the elections. The FBI is so powerful — it can, with court approval, issue subpoenas, tap phones, intercept emails and conduct round-the-clock surveillance — that even a small coterie of its agents can find ways of influencing the political process.
Imagine if an agency like the IRS and a small coterie of Agents in Cincinnati started doing the bidding of a President to to influence and block the political process?

Or if another Agency provided guns to Mexican Cartels to present a narrative that the Cartels get their guns in the US?

Or if a group of consultants packaged a presentation of mistruths and outright lies, and bragged about it at conferences, to convince the public that you could keep your doctor AND get a reduced health care premium?

Or that a Video made the Jawas attack and kill Americans in Benghazi?

And that a compliant and supportive media defended and condoned all of these examples. People might tend to become a tad disillusioned or pissed off.

Sadly, i agree with your premise that bureaucrats, consultants, and agents of various law enforcement agencies take way too many liberties with my Freedoms and the Truth. Either way this turns out, Comey has to go. He royally fucked up when he made up an intent requirement for prosecuting improper handling of Classified info. That is a not an element of that Felony. My rough guess is he knew DOJ was not going to convene a Grand Jury no matter what he forwarded, and he had way more than he needed to indict let alone convict. Just look at the cases discussed in the past two months. She broke the law. No question. But he is a DC dweller politician/bureaucrat and those folks don't fight fights they can't win or gain something from. So he did what he could and thought he could survive with the help of the media and thanks of the future Clinton Administration.

But he didn't weigh the effect of Wikileaks, the weight of the majority of his staff and agents who knew his pronouncement was bullshit and being unwilling to allow this felony to go away, and the Trump surge. Comey should also not have promised congress to keep them informed if anything else arose. DC Rule #64: Do not promise anything that puts you at risk for nothing. I do not doubt he has considered his acts in hedging his bets to keep his job, but also i can't discount the impact of a staff mutiny over his refusal to forward a recommendation to pursue the case. In the end the scales have balanced out, but in no way should it have gotten to this.

This comes down to DC politics and culture, and a Womyn who is so tarnished buy her own choices, actions, decisions, and staff choices, that she brought this on herself. We will see how it plays out tuesday.

As for the FBI, for anybody to suddenly be shocked, shocked you say, at the FBI and politics. Do a little reading on their involvement with MLK and at Waco and Ruby Ridge. Check out the political communications with DC, and the acts of one Lon Horiguchi. I don't trust them, or any other Fed. And here is a magic formula i use to avoid them: I answer no questions. Lay low and don't break the law. And if i did it would be with no witnesses and never spoken of again. For somebody in government for 30 years but who didn't know what was classified or that EVERYTHING you put in writing can bite you, well she might be a slow learner.
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Sure looks like an internal mutiny within the FBI. Unprofessional. Leaks of privileged information you have pledged not to reveal is normally left to the politicians.

But with all of this mess, it is important to remember: no private server, no FBI investigation into private server.

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Maybe these agents are patriots that are pissed their bosses are blackmailed/bribed to not let them do their jobs. Just a thought
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nafod wrote:Sure looks like an internal mutiny within the FBI. Unprofessional. Leaks of privileged information you have pledged not to reveal is normally left to the politicians.

But with all of this mess, it is important to remember: no private server, no FBI investigation into private server.

Reaping and sowing and all that.
Pinky wrote:If you view the rogue agents as whistle blowers, instead of partisan operatives, the leaks look less bad.

My guess is that neither the hysterical Vox view nor the noble whistle blower view is entirely correct.

Somewhere in the vicinity of these two posts is the truth. jmo.
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i've got a problem with investigators making personal judgments that properly belong with the courts. whether the guys' intentions are good or malicious, their actions violate the rule of law.

they should be sanctioned.

what should happen to the clinton investigation is a separate matter.

i look forward to hearing about the new york attorney general's investigation of the trump foundation. i kinda wish one of his patriotic, whistle-blowing investigators would leak some dirt. it doesn't have to be true.
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dead man walking wrote:i've got a problem with investigators making personal judgments that properly belong with the courts. whether the guys' intentions are good or malicious, their actions violate the rule of law.

they should be sanctioned.

what should happen to the clinton investigation is a separate matter.

i look forward to hearing about the new york attorney general's investigation of the trump foundation. i kinda wish one of his patriotic, whistle-blowing investigators would leak some dirt. it doesn't have to be true.
I don't disagree with most of what you wrote.

Question: Should DOJ be sanctioned for meeting with the perps husband while decision was in work?

Observation: As a Conservative, I expect no less from the media to eagerly seek and post anything they can get against Trump. If they can demonize Romney for Mr Obama, Trump should be an easy mark.
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dead man walking wrote:i've got a problem with investigators making personal judgments that properly belong with the courts. whether the guys' intentions are good or malicious, their actions violate the rule of law.

they should be sanctioned.

what should happen to the clinton investigation is a separate matter.

i look forward to hearing about the new york attorney general's investigation of the trump foundation. i kinda wish one of his patriotic, whistle-blowing investigators would leak some dirt. it doesn't have to be true.
I don't disagree with most of what you wrote.

Question: Should DOJ be sanctioned for meeting with the perps husband while decision was in work?
fair question. it was at least bad judgment on lynch's part. bill clinton appears to have no ethical compass. he should be kept on a leash. i think hillary has a compass, but her "north" appears unstable.

this election, i'd have considered a republican, if they'd nominated a responsible member of the human race.
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So when can we just kill them all and restart everything?
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nafod wrote:Sure looks like an internal mutiny within the FBI. Unprofessional. Leaks of privileged information you have pledged not to reveal is normally left to the politicians.
Was Mark Felt a politician? This isn't exactly new or original.
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So we vote on the 8th, and on the 9th we will have selected the next President. On the 11th my niece is getting married, which means I get to hang out with my parents, the ones with all the Trump/Pence signs in their front yard. My mom hates HRC with all the hatred of someone who only watches Hannity and visits Brietbart.com, and refers to Trump as "My boy" which makes me want to throw up a little. She posts a continual stream on facebook about it because of course all of our near family need to know. We've completely avoided any discussion *at all* of the political season since late 2015, when I explained that maybe I wasn't as enamored with Trump as she was. She probably thinks I was swapped out at birth.

Anyway, should be fun dinner conversation one way or another. Might need a couple of these. :drinkers:

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Remember when polite people used to avoid talking about religion and politics in mixed company? Its been a long time. When i was a kid it was considered bad manners to ask people who they voted for.
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syaigh wrote:Remember when polite people used to avoid talking about religion and politics in mixed company? Its been a long time. When i was a kid it was considered bad manners to ask people who they voted for.
I was raised that way too, but also remember my grandpa's advice. He lived in a suburb of Chicago (outside of Cook County) and worked in Chicago in the 60's through 80's. His advice was that having a Republican bumper sticker on your car would get a brick through your window in the city, and vice versa.
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