Why racism is contemptible

[milosz]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY[/youtube]

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

'Tis interesting how much of this hand wringing comes from those who choose to live in Caucasian Acres.

This.

[Protobuilder]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

[baffled]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

[Herv100]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

You forgot the new one; Woods.

[Protobuilder]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

Yeah, those terms get tossed around here a lot.

I wouldn't expect more from a mixed-cultural-heritage fellow like yourself.

[Turdacious]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

You've clearly never heard black people use the term.

[Herv100]

Fuck, Im tired of this. Is it racist to point out a nigger is acting like a nigger, or a jew is acting like a jew? Or is it just calling people out on the fucked up shit they do? Theres a lot of dumb ass white fucktards out there and I have no issue calling that as I see it either.

I am opposed to the 'word police' but your logic doesn't hold here.

Of course, if a white guy does something idiotic, you would call them on it but what would you call them? "Nigger" is a term that is meant to encompass all blacks. Yes, Chris Rock did a funny bit on the term but also said that he never did the routine again because racist idiots used it to justify their use of the term "nigger". You say its "a jew...acting like a jew" but do you ever say "it's just a white guy acting like a white guy"?

[milosz]

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

Right, which of those words carries the connotation and history of nigger (or kike/spic/slant/gook/chink/etc.)?

Nigger is, as pointed out, a placeholder for black. Not 'black trash,' as some people want to claim, that's just a pathetic defense from people unwilling to own up to their innermost feelings and why they use the word.

As usual, they get uncomfortable and defensive, they and their defenders trot out the Chris Rock skit, or a Dave Chappelle skit or point to rap music. It's a remarkably weak argument to pretend that an angry white man calling someone a nigger bears any more than a tangential relationship to its use among (primarily) young black men. The words don't mean the same thing within those two contexts and it doesn't take a limp-wristed pinko sociology professor to understand this.

[Bram]

When I went to college, I had a homophobic friend and my 17 year old kid argument to him was that he hadn't met every person who was gay, so who was he to write them all off?

You haven't met every black/Jewish/Muslim/gay/etc. person in the world, and never will.

Reading all this hate speech is making me feel less comfortable and less myself around non-whites, it's fucking depressing to me to think that I'm becoming more of an asshole from coming here - and the shit is in every forum, not just the free speech.

It's not a new thing here. This site exists partly because Dragondoor didn't want to put up with what this thread is about, but at some point I gotta wonder about the negative effects of hanging out online with a bunch of racists - and yes, using racist slurs and saying derogatory things about people of a race is racist. Good for you if you can justify it to yourself, by saying, "well, I'm just talking about some of XYZ people"

I've had good and bad experiences with pretty much all races, sex preferences, etc.

People are people, there are heroes and villains in every shape and form. Trying to assign a value based on what you look like or what you're interested in is a shallow way to look at things.

[Blaidd Drwg]

This site exists for one reason only. Because Fuck You, that's why. Embrace it and don't let the door hit you on the way out you coddled piece of surf trash.

[Thatcher II]

When I went to college, I had a homophobic friend and my 17 year old kid argument to him was that he hadn't met every person who was gay, so who was he to write them all off?

You haven't met every black/Jewish/Muslim/gay/etc. person in the world, and never will.

Reading all this hate speech is making me feel less comfortable and less myself around non-whites, it's fucking depressing to me to think that I'm becoming more of an asshole from coming here - and the shit is in every forum, not just the free speech.

It's not a new thing here. This site exists partly because Dragondoor didn't want to put up with what this thread is about, but at some point I gotta wonder about the negative effects of hanging out online with a bunch of racists - and yes, using racist slurs and saying derogatory things about people of a race is racist. Good for you if you can justify it to yourself, by saying, "well, I'm just talking about some of XYZ people"

I've had good and bad experiences with pretty much all races, sex preferences, etc.

People are people, there are heroes and villains in every shape and form. Trying to assign a value based on what you look like or what you're interested in is a shallow way to look at things.

This. And LOL at the predictable "fuck off if you don't like it" response, BD. Who said this is about staying or leaving? About censorship? The hysterical shrieking about rights and the arrogant "fuck off" says a lot about this "debate". There's been precious little substantive defence of the actual behaviour. What did we actually hear?" Oh - saying "nigger" is shorthand! Right! It's only SOME black people and "dominant black culture"! That's shitty rhetoric, unworthy of anyone with any sort of critical faculty.

Stop confusing critique with censorship. If you honestly think that throwing around shit about "niggers" is cool - believe that, argue that, do that. If you believe that people should be FREE to throw that shit around - DIFFERENT FUCKING ARGUMENT. Stop tarring those who don't like it with the "you hate our freedoms" brush. They're expressing a sincerely held opinion. So "go fuck yourself and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out if you don't like it", you utter cock.

[Thatcher II]

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

Right, which of those words carries the connotation and history of nigger (or kike/spic/slant/gook/chink/etc.)?

Nigger is, as pointed out, a placeholder for black. Not 'black trash,' as some people want to claim, that's just a pathetic defense from people unwilling to own up to their innermost feelings and why they use the word.

As usual, they get uncomfortable and defensive, they and their defenders trot out the Chris Rock skit, or a Dave Chappelle skit or point to rap music. It's a remarkably weak argument to pretend that an angry white man calling someone a nigger bears any more than a tangential relationship to its use among (primarily) young black men. The words don't mean the same thing within those two contexts and it doesn't take a limp-wristed pinko sociology professor to understand this.

Great post. The history of slavery in the US and the barbarism visited on black slaves imbues the word "nigger" with a savage contempt for that history and use of it by white people giving out about black people is a considered, conscious attempt to denigrate, generalise, belittle and humiliate. Period.

[MeatPlow]

Its easy to stop using a few words, but nearly impossible to stop what you feel inside. I don't hate anyone, just think when it comes down to the bottom line, multi-culturalism does not work on a large scale and the plan was laid out long ago that worked. We were separated by our races in our own lands, probably best if we would have stayed there.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Cracker? Honkey? White boy/girl?

Right, which of those words carries the connotation and history of nigger (or kike/spic/slant/gook/chink/etc.)?

Nigger is, as pointed out, a placeholder for black. Not 'black trash,' as some people want to claim, that's just a pathetic defense from people unwilling to own up to their innermost feelings and why they use the word.

As usual, they get uncomfortable and defensive, they and their defenders trot out the Chris Rock skit, or a Dave Chappelle skit or point to rap music. It's a remarkably weak argument to pretend that an angry white man calling someone a nigger bears any more than a tangential relationship to its use among (primarily) young black men. The words don't mean the same thing within those two contexts and it doesn't take a limp-wristed pinko sociology professor to understand this.

Great post. The history of slavery in the US and the barbarism visited on black slaves imbues the word "nigger" with a savage contempt for that history and use of it by white people giving out about black people is a considered, conscious attempt to denigrate, generalise, belittle and humiliate. Period.

For some, probably yes. For some, definitely no. That's a rather broad white brush with a very long handle that you're painting with. How did you become so expert in the inner thoughts of Amerikkkans?

[nafod]

...multi-culturalism does not work on a large scale and the plan was laid out long ago that worked. We were separated by our races in our own lands, probably best if we would have stayed there.

A thing I love about the military is it works on a large scale. As close as you will get to a meritocracy. Screw diversity, you're all wearing the same damn thing. Ok, so you still want diversity? You can be a mech. Or a grunt. Or an Airedale. Or a yeoman. There's your diversity.

[Turdacious]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdN6olQXHyo[/youtube]

I've heard this is supposed to help.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

If IGx is making your more racist, it's your own goddamn fault.

That's the most simpering, whining piece of garbage you've posted Bram.

[buckethead]

Kaz is a despicable hate-filled person. Garm and Andy and others had racist satire and posts but, to me, never actually posted hate. Kaz does and has shown this repeatedly. That's why I do not respond to his shit threads.

But, according to my libertarian Randians, a community of rational beings would have applied free-market pressure and ran Kaz out of IGx. Instead, it seems that along with being protective of his right to say anything (which I agree with) there also are a lot of members here who condone and even celebrate his posts, thoughts, and ideas (which I find ludicrous).

It's an interesting experiment, but so far it's not looking promising for the self-governing. It trends that IGx will either become some neo-Nazi group within a couple years, or become moderated.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Kaz is a despicable hate-filled person. Garm and Andy and others had racist satire and posts but, to me, never actually posted hate. Kaz does and has shown this repeatedly. That's why I do not respond to his shit threads.

But, according to my libertarian Randians, a community of rational beings would have applied free-market pressure and ran Kaz out of IGx. Instead, it seems that along with being protective of his right to say anything (which I agree with) there also are a lot of members here who condone and even celebrate his posts, thoughts, and ideas (which I find ludicrous).

It's an interesting experiment, but so far it's not looking promising for the self-governing. It trends that IGx will either become some neo-Nazi group within a couple years, or become moderated.

The poll is 50/50. War is the only answer.

[Kazuya Mishima]

Kaz is a despicable hate-filled person.

LOL...are you mad about it?

[nafod]

If IGx is making your more racist, it's your own goddamn fault.

He didn't say IGx is making him more of a racist. He said it is making him more of an asshole. Which is kind of like saying water makes you wet.

[Turdacious]

Kaz is a despicable hate-filled person. Garm and Andy and others had racist satire and posts but, to me, never actually posted hate.

You'll have to go into some more detail about the Garm and Kaz difference. Kaz is definitely, IMO, more self-deprecating in his humor.

Thick skin has always been a prerequisite for being at the bad place.

[seeahill]

Bucket,
I don't want to "run Kaz off" and I sure as hell never ever want this to be a moderated forum. Kaz is our hate speech prototype. Although I disagree with him vehemently, I give him points for being an articulate writer who is sometimes downright funny. If he was an illiterate goof-ball, his posts would have little effect. I have to give him credit.

As for the forum becoming a neo-nazi group, or a hate group: well, that's what I was worried about myself. And that is why I posted the poll. It seemed to me that Kaz would spew his (admittedly well written) racial bile and some here would respond with great approval. I wondered if I was alone in my visceral dislike of hate speech.

Turns out I am not. Of those who don't like it, some just ignore his posts. Some don't care to engage someone who is unpersuadable. Some just don't want to get into a pissing match with a skunk.

So, in praise of Kaz, he managed to get people to confront this issue. Always a good thing. Thanks, Kaz. Rage on.

[Turdacious]

All of you who are criticizing Kaz-- but gave Garm and Andy a free pass-- are hypocrites of the highest order. Hebe, at least, can make the excuse that he wasn't around here then.