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The most emotional event of the calendar year is the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony, held the night before WrestleMania, where fans and current performers pay respect to both major stars of the past and present.

In recent years, the event had been heavily criticized due to time limits and attempts at scripting speeches. But from all accounts, this year’s, particularly speeches by Edge, Christian, The Four Horseman and JBL, was the best in years.

It was notable for a few things, with Edge as the youngest inductee in history, someone who clearly belonged in based on whatever standards they would choose to use as one of the company’s biggest stars of the past decade. But usually people being honored are at a different stage of their lives. Edge is the first guy from the generation who was still a little kid and had few if any memories of the territorial days, being a fan of the Hulk Hogan/Ultimate Warrior era as his childhood wrestling memories. He was presented as the star of the show, with Mike Tyson as the celebrity, a conglomeration of four Horsemen, Yokozuna, Mil Mascaras and Ron Simmons rounding out the list.

Time limits were thrown out, and while JBL in his speech talked about scripting early, and how nobody was going to write a script to tell him what to say about his best friend, it didn’t have that feeling.

The behind the scenes story leading up to it was the first time someone from a rival organization that was still active was put in, with Ric Flair as part of the Horsemen induction. TNA and WWE reached a business agreement to allow him to attend. TNA asked for little, just a WWE performer who was with TNA to appear for one day in TNA, not on television, but recording talking head footage to comment on an upcoming DVD release. They also asked for it to be announced that Flair was appearing through an agreement with TNA, or make some sort of reference to Flair being a TNA wrestler. We don’t know the details of what was settled, only that the latter didn’t happen, but even though from a legal standpoint, TNA held the aces here since WWE had advertised Flair and sold tickets without getting clearance, TNA was the one that folded its hand. In the end, they knew this was a big deal to Flair, and they didn’t want to come across petty.

Besides most of the wrestlers (some were not able to attend because they had to sign autographs at Fan Axxess) on the roster with the exception of Undertaker (who doesn’t like to be seen out of character) and Dwayne Johnson, among those in attendance included Kevin Greene, Kevin Nash, Mick Foley, Tommy Dreamer, Sean Waltman, Lita (with C.M. Punk), Harley Race, Iron Sheik, Jimmy Hart, Steve Keirn, Ricky Steamboat, Carlos Colon, Fit Finlay, Sharmell Huffman (with Booker T), Tammy Sytch, Linda McMahon, Nikita Koloff, Jim Duggan, DDP, Dory Funk Jr. and Maryse Ouellette (with The Miz).

The show opened with Jerry Lawler introducing a tape of Ron Simmons. Simmons, 53, was a legitimate college football superstar who was a first team All-American, had his number retired, was a Heisman Trophy candidate and is in the college football Hall of Fame. Simmons actually went head-to-head in two Orange Bowl games as a defensive lineman battling Steve Williams, an offensive lineman as Oklahoma faced Florida State.

Simmons was considered too short to play the defensive line in the NFL, and after playing in the old USFL, his football career ended and he broke in during the dying days of Championship Wrestling from Florida, after the suicide death of Eddie Graham. He got a big push based on his athletic ability and football name, and had a successful career. His main claim to fame was being the first African-American to win the WCW title. While it was lauded as some sort of a major breakthrough of someone overcoming their race and prejudice to make it to the top, the reality was very different.

Bill Watts, who was hired to run WCW, was looking to replicate the Junkyard Dog as an African-American superstar. With Simmons, who had the credentials and was certainly decent enough in the ring, he was the best guy for the job at the time, because there weren’t any other alternates. It didn’t work. Even as champion, it was clear the audience never took to Simmons as the top star. Plus, and this wasn’t his fault, he was champion during a period when WCW had few charismatic heels for him to face. After only a few months, he lost it back to Vader and fell from main events and was eventually cut. After going to ECW, where he didn’t really click, his career appeared to be over when he was signed by the WWF. He had a strong early run as a single, led the Nation of Domination, a group which ended up being the impetus for The Rock becoming a star, and finished his career with a long run as JBL’s tag team partner.

JBL: Layfield opened by saying that they sent a writer to help him with his speech and he said he can’t repeat what he told the writer, saying the day he can’t talk about his best friend without help is the day he gets put in the ground.

He talked about Simmons as a football player, and joked about his ridiculous outfit with a helmet when he started as Faarooq Asad in WWF, saying Steve Austin had the line about how Simmons was the only guy who can walk around wearing that and nobody would say anything. He tried to say if it wasn’t for the barriers Simmons broke down as the first African-American world champion, there wouldn’t be The Rock. While Simmons’ role as an adversary when Rock was turning the corner was legit, the whole first black champion thing and opening doors is way overblown. It was 1992, and the reign was because Bill Watts was looking for a first black world champion and he was on the roster. He wasn’t Bobo Brazil or Bearcat Wright, who established themselves as major superstar and drawing cards, and after making their names as headliners, were the first two black world champion in the 60s. The WWA title was one of the big three at the time with NWA and WWWF, and Los Angeles was the second largest city in the country, and that title was recognized and defended in Japan when neither the NWA nor WWWF title were at that time. He then told a Vince Russo story, saying how when he and Simmons were put together as the APA, that the former head of creative who went to WCW wanted to play on the racial elements with one guy playing white stereotypes and the other being black, and Simmons refused to go along with it, saying that they were going to play who they were, which was best friends. JBL made a remark about the “Jim Crow” WCW. which really wasn’t fair He then claimed that the APA once did an 8.6 quarter hour rating, and told the wrestlers in the crowd when they do an 8.6 quarter to tweet him. There was a Raw show at the peak of the Monday Night Wars when Nitro was pre-empted and wrestling was on fire that did better than an 8.0 overall, so it’s possible that was true. It couldn’t have happened in a head-to-head segment. JBL talked about how one of the best things in his life is that Simmons is his friend, and talked about how Simmons was the best man at his wedding.

RON SIMMONS: He came out in character and teased the “Damn” thing saying there’s a word he wanted to say, and the crowd shouted it out. He crossed them up and said the word was honored. He mentioned being in other Halls of Fame (College Football) but said this meant more, and thanked Hiro Matsuda (his trainer), Ric Flair (who he had early world title bouts with), Junkyard Dog (a very interesting name because I guess he realized that JYD with his success as a draw did open doors for Simmons) and Dusty Rhodes. He said how his run led to Booker T’s run, but Booker T’s run actually came because WCW was being sued on racial discrimination charges at the time, and to counter, the company felt it would be best to have a black world champion and Booker was easily the best guy who fit the bill. He joked about his wife, how he played football and wrestled for years and was fearless, and didn’t know the meaning of fear until he came home at 5:30 a.m. and saw his wife’s eyes, and then talked about how the WWF as an organization was always one where if he had a problem, he could go to them. He also noted he had a tough childhood, but that made him who he was.

ALBERTO DEL RIO: Del Rio inducted his uncle, Mil Mascaras. Mascaras, 72, still wrestles today. His real name is Aaron Rodriguez (Del Rio is Alberto Rodriguez, the son of Mil’s brother Dos Caras Sr.), was one of the great drawing cards of his generation, all over the world, but he came before the time of most of the fans in attendance and a lot of the modern wrestlers. Even when he was in his early 40s and it was past his heyday, I can recall when San Jose weekly wrestling in the LeBell dying days was doing 400 a week, and when Mascaras came in, it would be triple that every time. He was a worldwide drawing card based on his unique style, and more his colorful ring outfits. He’s one of the five biggest stars in the history of Mexican wrestling, but unlike El Santo, he broke through past just the Hispanic audience to be among the biggest foreign stars in history in Japan, and was a huge draw in places like Central America and Africa, packing stadiums there. Never talked about, and Del Rio only talked three minutes about his uncle and again, most in the audience didn’t really know him, was that in 1975, when Eddie Einhorn, the owner of the Chicago White Sox, made an attempt to run a national promotion, battling both the NWA and WWWF head-on, it was Mascaras who he chose as his big star. And Mascaras drew big in Roosevelt Stadium in New Jersey early for matches with Ivan Koloff, but the promotion didn’t have the staying power. Del Rio said his uncle was the first Mexican in the WWE and the first to wrestle in Madison Square Garden. There were Mexican wrestlers in the promotion long before Mascaras, but as far as people who were superstars in Mexico, he was the first that I can recall, as Santo, Blue Demon, Tarzan Lopez, etc. never worked in the Northeast. His real claim to fame was being the first masked man to work in Madison Square Garden. They had this decades old law because of bad publicity from The Masked Marvel days where masked man couldn’t work in New York. Mascaras was such a big draw that Vince McMahon Sr., who had forced all his other masked man to work without masks in MSG like The Spoiler, The Masked Russians, etc., got Mascaras before the commission and Mascaras explained his situation, what his mask meant and under no circumstances, MSG pay and exposure or not, he would not work if he couldn’t wear his mask as he never took it off in public. They granted him the right and that ended that rule.

MIL MASCARAS: Mascaras, in a flashy bullfighter like suit and his mask spoke in broken English. Most of the crowd and wrestlers had no real emotional connection with him and really couldn’t understand the level of star he was. He kept talking about different wives and people really didn’t understand what he was saying. He did put over wrestling in Japan, where he was the most popular wrestler to a generation of children who grew up in the 70s.

DUSTY RHODES: Rhodes, the big rival of the Horsemen, compared them to The Beatles. He noted Ric Flair is the first guy to be inducted twice, called him a national treasure and said nobody in the business accomplished what Flair did. He praised J.J. Dillon as the strategist, Barry Windham as the best natural athlete who ever came into the business, how Tully Blanchard was the glue and Arn Anderson was the guy who always did what needed to be done.

J.J. DILLON: James Morrison, 69, was kind of notable because while everyone else got older in the Four Horsemen, he started out as a guy who was 40 and with the white hair looked 50. Now he’s almost 70 and still looks in his 50s. He told the story of the Horsemen, because it was kind of a fluke about the name and the group. They were the lead heels in 1985, as Flair, the world champion, would on occasion have the Andersons, Ole & Arn, interfere in his matches. Dillon at the time was managing Blanchard. Once, at a taping, when the show ran short, they just sent them all out as the lead heels together to cut a promo, and Arn Anderson said how they were like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and held up four fingers. Soon, college kids would come to matches in suits and ties, since Blanchard & Flair always dressed up as part of their act, and would hold up four fingers. There was a lot of talk about the decision regarding the five guys, with the argument being, this was the best Horseman group. For pure wrestling ability, they were, since when they were together as this unit, Blanchard & Anderson were one of the two best heel tag teams in wrestling (along with the Midnight Express), and Windham and Flair were at that point in time probably the two best in-ring singles wrestlers. However, this unit was only together for four or five months, even though they made it sound like they were together for nine years. Windham replaced Lex Luger as a Horseman in April 1988, and Blanchard & Anderson left Crockett promotions in September after a falling out with Rhodes. While in the ring they were great, that was also not a strong period for the company, which was deep in the red and ended up being sold in November. The original Horseman, Flair, Blanchard, Ole & Arn, were only together about nine months as a group called the Horseman before Ole was kicked out, turned face and replaced by Luger. But that was a super hot period for business and from a drawing money perspective, that was the most successful quartet. The Luger group was close behind, and Luger had the right look at the time and made them look more like stars and things were still good. There were a ton of other incarnations that came later, but none matched up to the first few years, in either talent, impact or for business. A 1995 version of Flair, Anderson, Brian Pillman and Chris Benoit, together briefly, could rival the talent of the previous incarnations. Pillman left the promotion, and then Anderson retired in 1997 due to neck injuries. The final version was in 1999, consisting of Flair, Benoit and Malenko, with Anderson as the manager, and had an entourage that also included a bodybuilder woman nurse with giant boobs called Asya the Nurse, heel referee Charles “Lil Natich” Robinson, and David Flair. As far as the reasons what was picked, most would agree that if you picked the group when it was really on fire, it was the Ole Anderson version, but Ole Anderson and Vince McMahon hate each other, and Ole wouldn’t come, and physically couldn’t come. The fact his name was never mentioned or acknowledged, not unexpected, still was weird, particularly since Arn Anderson in telling the story of how JYD led to his first break, it was all because he looked so much like Ole. Those close to the situation said Luger wasn’t inducted, or ever mentioned, because of the death of Elizabeth more than because he walked out of WWF without telling anyone and showed up on the first episode of Nitro in 1995 as the first shot of the Monday Night Wars. Benoit’s name is not allowed to be mentioned and ignoring the Benoit run meant Malenko, Pillman and Steve McMichael shouldn’t be mentioned. And the reality is, when Flair talked about his favorite years in the business, the 90s WCW with all of its internal problems were hardly that period.

RIC FLAIR: Flair, who was described as a retired wrestler on the WWE site, and I guess he may be given TNA pulled him from Lockdown, but he sure hasn’t said those words. He came out and joked about how the last time he was inducted was four years ago, and he has a new wife. The first thing he did was tell a story about Tiffany, his wife at the last ceremony, talking about how that week he was up until 3 a.m. at the bar with John Cena and his wife called and asked him when he was going to grow up, and then asked what he even has in common with people who are 30 years younger than he is. He said that he turned off his cell phone and stayed out. He said how he’s had a wonderful career, being able to spend 40 years as a wrestler, and how the best time of his career was the years with these guys. Flair did used to tell me that the best times of his career were the Horseman days and his rookie year learning the business in the AWA with guys like Ray Stevens, Nick Bockwinkel and Superstar Graham. He started crying a few times. He talked about how he ran with these guys for nine years. Well, he was together with Arn forever. The other three it was actually not that long at all.

BARRY WINDHAM: I will say it was great to see Windham, 51, he was walking around fine after suffering both a heart attack and a stroke and being near death. Windham noted he was the first second generation wrestler, whose father was inducted into the Hall of Fame (father is Blackjack Mulligan). That’s actually not correct because all the Von Erich kids are in, as is Fritz. And Greg Valentine should be second generation, given that his father was actually a bigger star than most of the guys who are in. He noted that his father, who wasn’t there, is doing well. He talked about meeting Flair and Blanchard while still a kid, and meeting Dillon when he was a referee in the old Amarillo territory going to college.

TULLY BLANCHARD: Blanchard, 58, who now works in prison ministries, talked about the Horsemen being guys who every night went out to try and be the best at their job. He said they would compete to have the best match and had the attitude that there was nobody in wrestling they couldn’t follow. He said he spent his time trying to give people their $10 worth of entertainment. He talked about his four children, and noted that he had long since gone on a different path in life and how his children didn’t know anything about this period of his life. He thanked Pat Patterson for bringing him into WWF and Bobby Heenan (who wasn’t there) for being his manager. He noted that this was the worst week and one of the best weeks of his life, because his father’s funeral was the previous Monday and how his father was one of his best friends. He talked about how his father beat Ted DiBiase’s father in 1950 to win the Big 8 championship (actually it was Big 7 at the time). He talked about how he and all the guys of his era wake up with twinges and bad backs but it was all worth it and said that wrestling fans paid their money and deserve as much as you can give them each night.

ARN ANDERSON: Marty Lunde, 53, known by everyone as Arn Anderson, got a standing ovation coming out. Of the Horsemen, he’s actually the one the current group of wrestlers know because he’s been with the WWE as a producer since WCW went under in 2001. He noted that he didn’t work on a speech and was going to wing it. He said he started watching wrestling at seven and got hooked on it, and that as a kid, his idols were the tag team of Dick Slater & Bob Orton Jr. He noted working for Bill Watts, driving himself to death trying to get a break, and it was Junkyard Dog who noted that he looked a lot like Ole Anderson, which led to him getting his first break as a reincarnation of the Andersons tag team. He noted he’s the only guy who can say he was managed by Paul Heyman, J.J. Dillon and Paul Ellering. How could he have left out Hiro Matsuda? He hardly talked about the Horseman days, talking about his early career, skipping to his retirement and then talking about the guys in WWE today. He talked about his children and how proud he is of them. He actually talked nothing about the Horsemen days, but did bring up how his career ended due to neck problems. He said he was told he would either lose his left hand, or would need surgery that would possibly end his career, and never wrestled again. He mentioned all the WWE agents and how hard they worked, joked about how three years ago, who would have ever thought C.M. Punk would be a team leader, praised Randy Orton for being as good as his father and praised a ton of different current wrestlers and said the current guys are the caretakers of the industry.

SHAWN MICHAELS & HHH: They came out to induct Mike Tyson, but did an Abbott & Costello comedy routine. They joked about when Tyson was in his prime they’d rush from shows to the hotel to see his fights, rush to park, and rush in, but since they always ended so quickly, they’d get there and the fight was already over. HHH kept making fun of when Tyson gave the knockout punch to Michaels in 1998 at WrestleMania and they ended up with Michaels making a remark that he was better than HHH, leading to a “Shawn is better” chant. HHH credited with Tyson for turning the tide in the wrestling war with WCW. The one thing about Tyson, as compared with Pete Rose or Drew Carey or Bob Uecker, is that if you wrote a history of pro wrestling, Tyson, Cyndi Lauper and Mr. T should be part of that history. Mr. T and Lauper for their part in the first WrestleMania which really was the make-or-break night of the WWE’s expansion (Mr. T has turned down Hall of Fame invites on more than one occasion) and Tyson for his role in getting Steve Austin over as the biggest short-term drawing card in history and building momentum for WWF to overtake WCW. He was also personally responsible for the revival of WrestleMania, which was big from 1985-1990, but declined significantly in interest from 1991-1997, where it fell to 237,000 buys. Because of Tyson, they were up to 730,000 buys, tripling in one year, and Mania has been on that new level ever since, even in bad times.

MIKE TYSON: Tyson did a strange speech, talking about how Bruno Sammartino was his hero growing up, and that as a kid he wanted to be a pro wrestler, but he got arrested and met Cus D’Amato who taught him boxing. He mentioned seeing Sammartino against Nikolai Volkoff, Lou Albano, Freddie Blassie, Moondog Mayne (who never wrestled Sammartino for the title), The Sheik, The Valiant Brothers, Spyros Arion and others. He noted that WWF helped him financially when he was about to lose his house (he got paid $3 million plus for Mania in 1998 at a time when he was having money troubles after being suspended from boxing for biting Evander Holyfield’s ear off), although he was clearly kidding about losing his house. He talked about how his kids didn’t care about him being inducted into the boxing Hall of Fame but were all excited about this. Then he started talking about how he didn’t know that John Cena was really black, and how Dusty Rhodes was 1970s blaxplotation black and started laughing and left. At another point he went out of his way to point out Pat Patterson in the front row, who was sitting next to Stephanie McMahon Levesque.

JIMMY & JEY USO & RIKISHI: They were there to induct Rodney Anoai, Yokozuna. The Usos came out and talked about their extended family and how of all the members, Yokozuna was the only one to be WWE champion. They noted they were kids when he started and they couldn’t understand why they said he was Japanese. They said he was the opposite of his TV character. They also introduced their father, Rikishi, who was Yokozuna’s first cousin. Rikishi noted that a Yokozuna is the highest honor and in wrestling, the WWE Hall of Fame is the highest honor. Yokozuna is actually the term for Grand champion in the sport of sumo, an honor equivalent to being a Hall of Famer in major league baseball, except maybe higher because of its long history and more select numbers. Anoai, a huge man at more than 400 pounds but with good timing, started wrestling at the age of 18 as Kokina and later Kokina Maximus, because of his gigantic ass (gluteus maximus) in Japan, Mexico and the AWA. In 1992, one of the biggest stars in sumo as Konishiki, a 600 pound Samoan who was a huge drawing card but was actually never promoted to Yokozuna, who garnered a lot of publicity in the U.S. at the time because of his size. Anoai’s actual gimmick was not being Japanese, but being completely modeled after Konishiki, a Polynesian who went to Japan and became a sumo superstar. He was asked to gain weight, which ended up being his undoing, managed by Mr. Fuji and pushed as an unstoppable monster from his arrival in 1992. He was kept untouched, squashing everyone with his banzai drop, where he’d come off the middle rope and land with ass to chest on his helpless opponents. It looked like the absolute worst finisher to take, as did any move he did when he’d jump up and land on guys like leg drops and splashes. In reality, he had a reputation of being a great worker for his size, and shockingly, a light worker who never hurt anyone. He won the 1993 Royal Rumble, and followed by beating Bret Hart for the WWF title at WrestleMania, but as soon as the match was over, Hulk Hogan came and beat in seconds t win the title. At the time, he was 26 years old, making him the youngest WWF champion in history up to that point (Bruno Sammartino was 27 when he won the title for the first time). When Hogan refused to lose the title to Bret Hart at SummerSlam in 1993, he and Vince McMahon had a falling out and Hogan agreed he’d lose it to the monster Yokozuna on the way out, which he did at the King of the Ring show in June, as opposed to Hart, who he considered a mid-card guy and too small. Yokozuna had a famous angle where Lex Luger bodyslammed him in the attempt to make Luger the next Hogan, but that failed, and Yokozuna ended up losing the title instead to Hart at WrestleMania in 1994. Anoai started in WWF at about 500 pounds, and developed a terrible weight problem. He was moved into a tag team with Owen Hart. He probably hit as much as 760 pounds, a weight he could barely move at, and even though Happy Humphrey was billed at 802 pounds as the heaviest pro wrestler in history, having seen Yokozuna “work” with Goldust live when his weight was the most out of control, there is no question he was the heaviest man legitimately to have ever been a pro wrestler, along with the McCrary Brothers, twins who worked in the 70s who were also more than 700 pounds. The company sent him to weight loss clinics, but they only proved to be a temporary fix. Finally, the New York State Athletic Commission suspended him for health reasons from competing, which meant he was not allowed to wrestle in any of the two dozen or so states that still regulated pro wrestling. The company rarely used him, because there was no point in shooting a TV angle with him that they couldn’t follow up on in half the country. Eventually, when he didn’t lose weight, he was cut in 1998. He lost a little weight, working independents, and was touring the U.K. when he died of pulmonary edema in a hotel room in Liverpool, England on October 23, 2000, at the age of 34. He was 680 pounds at the time of his death.

CHRISTIAN: He came out and noted Edge’s new haircut saying that once again Edge is always trying to copy him. He talked about how they’ve been best friends since the age of 12 talking about being pro wrestlers and how they both made it. They played tape of them as kids playing pro wrestler. He talked about how Edge grew up with his mother working two jobs at a time to support him and Edge knew he had no choice but to make it big to repay his mother and take care of her. Christian noted that he and Edge talked about Edge’s retirement, with Edge wanting to wrestle Christian at WrestleMania in his last match this year, but said Edge ended his career in his last match being world champion at WrestleMania.

EDGE: Edge was pushed as the star of the show. He hugged Christian for a long time and they posed together. He showed photos of he and Christian as kids and talked about entering a contest where you would write an essay and the winner would get free wrestling training at Ron Hutchison and Sweet Daddy Siki’s school in Toronto. He praised the training and said anyone who left that school was ready to be a pro wrestler and really put over Siki, a forgotten star of the 60s and 70s. He noted Tony Condello death tours driving over frozen lakes to cities and seeing holes in the ice. He pointed out Lance Storm, Rhino and Scott D’Amore as his friends he invited to be there and how he named him Rhino. He joked about how once driving over the frozen ice that the van started to sink and they had to get out and Christian fell through the ice with freezing water waist deep while Rhino was scared to death, but ran at Christian and gave him a gore. He thanked Bret Hart, noting he asked Bret Hart how to get into WWF and Hart started training with him and got him his tryout match. He said his first WWE contract was for $210 a week. He talked about his TLC match with Ric Flair, and wrestling Eddy Guerrero, and brought up Michaels, Mick Foley, the Hardys, Kurt Angle, The Dudleys, Batista, Chris Jericho, Owen Hart and John Cena. He said how he didn’t know if he was ready for the Hall of Fame this soon but that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels both texted him immediately to tell him he deserved it. He also talked about how Vickie Guerrero and Lita were able to help take him to the next level as a star with the Rated R gimmick, and that he got to team with his childhood idol Hulk Hogan as a dream come true. He said he hoped that he could be to Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins what Bret Hart and Michaels were to him. He thanked all kinds of wrestlers, his girlfriend, Tommy Dreamer, and mentioned the names Glen and Mark (Kane and Undertaker). The show ended with him doing a five second pose.
Joe Scarpa, who became a legendary pro wrestling figure in the Northeast in the 70s as babyface fixture Chief Jay Strongbow, passed away on 4/3 at the age of 83.

Scarpa was actually an Italian from Philadelphia, who was brought into the Northeast by Vince McMahon Sr. in 1970 to play a Native American character. Although he never showed it as Chief Jay Strongbow, Scarpa had by that time already had a long career where he was a very good technical wrestler, using his real name. He was best known in the Southeast where he had been a consistent headliner for years.

He came in, with his Native American regalia, his chops, his war dance which would start with him standing in a funny position and talking with Vince McMahon saying how “Strongbow is putting the bad mouth on him,” about his opponent, and the sleeper hold, and quickly moved up to the No. 2 babyface position and remained in that position for years. He was a fixture in the company for most of the next 15 years, with a few breaks, in front of the camera, and for another 15 more years behind the scenes as a road agent.

In the early and mid-70s, Strongbow, billed as both Chief Jay Strongbow and at other times as Indian Jay Strongbow, had a clearly defined role, working main events in smaller cities and usually going over the heels who had already had their championship run. In Madison Square Garden, he would frequently be in tag matches with the top heels who had already had their runs with the champion, and when he was in the territory, would be a regular partner with Andre the Giant. He was rarely on the losing side of matches during his peak years, and went a period of probably five years or more where he never lost a match via pinfall with the exception of one spot show match to Ray Stevens in Hagerstown, MD, for whatever reason.

McMahon protected Strongbow, and the rare times he did lose, it would be via count out (or perhaps a blood stoppage), usually to a heel who would be getting a shot at the championship at the next show.

He held the tag team titles four times, once with Sonny King, once with Billy White Wolf (who went back-and-forth between being a Native American and an Iraqi Sheik Adnan Al-Kaissie) and twice with supposed brother Jules Strongbow (who was a legitimate native American, whose real name was Frank Hill).

Scarpa was already 41 when McMahon Sr. brought him in for what ended up being his big career break. It was notable because even though Wahoo McDaniel had a run as a Jeremy Lin-style New York cult celebrity for a short period of time while playing linebacker for the New York Jets (featuring the public address announcer saying, “Tackle by who?” and the entire audience would chant “Wahoo, Wahoo” as McDaniel was the only player in the AFL with his nickname and not his last name on his jersey), McMahon never pushed him to main events. McDaniel ended up being an all-time great, but was doing big business in Texas at the same McMahon brought Scarpa in.

Jay Strongbow actually got his name from the original Jules Strongbow, a wrestler who later became a promoter and matchmaker in Southern California. His billed home town of Pawhuska, OK, was a town filled with Native Americans where the oldest members of the Fuller family originally came from, which is where he got the home town from. While wrestling in Oklahoma, it was Scarpa who saw a young Jack Brisco, and when he then went to Florida, recommended Brisco to Eddie Graham, who built Brisco into being one of the biggest stars of the era. Strongbow as Scarpa, in his last run before going to the WWWF, was a veteran babyface who frequently teamed with a young Jack Brisco when Brisco was getting his first push in Florida.

Strongbow worked with most name heels in the business during his big years in WWWF, with his most well known feud likely being with Greg Valentine in 1979, where they did an angle where Valentine broke the beloved Strongbow’s leg, the first time they had ever done a significant injury angle with him and at the time it was still rare that he would lose so it had great shock value and elevated Valentine to a level where he was a top of the line heel for years.

The angle went so well that it was copied a few years later in the Mid Atlantic area with Valentine and McDaniel. During the Pedro Morales era as champion from 1971-1973, Strongbow was easily the second most popular full-time wrestler in the promotion, and probably maintained that level among full-timers (behind the big touring attractions who would come into the Northeast like Dusty Rhodes, Mil Mascaras and Andre) well into Bruno Sammartino’s second title run. Because of the policy of main event faces never wrestling each other, Strongbow almost never got singles title shots (I believe he may have gotten one or two with Ivan Koloff and Stan Stasiak at smaller arenas during their brief transitional runs in 1971 and 1973) at major arenas. In 1977 and 1978, when Superstar Billy Graham was champion, Strongbow was one of many faces who had been denied title shots for years that became a regular contender. By that point, his role as the never getting pinned No. 2 babyface had been taken by Ivan Putski, and he was working more in the middle of the cards.

The injury in the Valentine match on television allowed Strongbow to leave the WWWF for several months before returning for a series of grudge matches, including his specialty, the Indian Strap match. He was also well known in the Northeast as the guy several babyfaces would turn. The most notable was when Spyros Arion turned on him, leading to the Bruno Sammartino vs. Arion feud, one of the biggest of its time. Another turn perhaps the most remembered, because angles were so far in the early 70s and the first tag team partner to turn on Strongbow was a young Jimmy Valiant.

Strongbow was always pushed as a star in other territories but never protected like in WWWF. He headlined against The Sheik in Detroit and Toronto when those cities revolved around babyfaces being brought in to lose to the heel champion.

Eventually, due to age, he moved down to the middle and lower part of the cards, putting over the heels on the way up, including during the first year of the company’s national expansion. Although he wrestled a few times after that point, Strongbow retired at the age of 56 after being a full-time wrestler for 38 years to become a road agent with WWF in 1985, and remained in the position until the late 90s when he retired.

Even long after he retired, Joe Scarpa largely disappeared and he was always known as “Chief” and very few called him by his real name. You would get various opinions on him. The people who tended to misbehave didn’t like him because he was the guy who reported their stuff to the office. He had the reputation among wrestlers of being tough and cranky, but was strong at helping lay out matches from his decades of experience. For example, when one young wrestler came up to him and asked if doing too many jobs on television would hurt his career, Scarpa replied, “What career?”

Others understood his position, particularly the ones who grew up in wrestling or started out as fans in the Northeast, and had more respect for him.

The promotion honored him in its first actual Hall of Fame class in 1994 (Andre the Giant was inducted on his own in 1993 and Strongbow was part of the initial class the next year).

His last appearance as a television character was in 1994 in a storyline where he helped introduce Chris Chavis as Tatanka, who was brought in to be the modern version of Chief Jay Strongbow. While given a huge push at first, Tatanka was never nearly as a popular as Strongbow and even with a huge undefeated streak, didn’t catch on and was turned heel, and later faded from the scene.

Strongbow had been at some shows from time-to-time when the promotion would come to Georgia, where he retired to, with his last television appearance being on November 17, 2008, when he was introduced in the crowd at a show in Atlanta.

We’ll have a more detailed bio of Strongbow in the weeks to come.
A WrestleMania story that got a lot of mainstream publicity is that 24-year-old Stephan Arceneaux and a 14-year-old cousin Mania at about 10 p.m. and started grappling. The boy, who was 5-foot-6 and 110 pounds, got a rear naked choke on the 5-foot-10, 220-pound man and started squeezing for 30 to 40 seconds while Arceneaux was saying that he was not going to tap. The boy kept the move on until someone in the room made him stop noting the man was turning blue. When the hold was broken, they immediately noticed Arceneaux was out and not breathing. 911 was called immediately and Arceneaux’s girlfriend tried to revive him with no luck. He was rushed to the hospital where he was declared dead.

WWE is very lucky this isn’t the PTC era because they would have jumped on this story and trumpeted it. It didn’t get any immediate heat on the company at all, but it could end up as fodder for Linda McMahon’s political opponents in the senate race.
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Maven Huffman, 35, a former WWE wrestler best known for winning the first season of “Tough Enough” in 2001, and having great potential in the business, was arrested on 4/2 on charges of going to multiple doctors in Florida to complain about the same symptoms, and gaining multiple prescriptions of controlled substances. Huffman allegedly went to three different doctors and got three different sets of prescriptions for both Oxycodone and Hydrocodone (Vicodin), and then going to three different sets of pharmacies to pick up the prescriptions to avoid suspicion. Police believed he had more than 1,000 pills. He was released on $2,000 bond and faces five years in prison. Huffman, no relation to Booker T, was a great talker with a great look and came across in the reality show of having a likeable personality. He remained with WWE through 2005, and a few times seemed to get the start of a major push before it was dropped. He was cut because of a reputation of being too much of a party boy and lack of improvement as a performer and never coming near his potential. He later worked for Home Shopping Network and appeared on the TV reality show “The Surreal Life.”
James “Kamala” Harris, 61, a major 80s and 90s star, will be having his right foot amputated on 4/5 due to complications from diabetes. Harris had his left leg amputated in 2011 due to both diabetes and high blood pressure.
Kurt Angle claimed to have suffered a hamstring injury on 3/29 in training just three weeks before the Olympic trials. He’s been working on a bad hamstring for months so it’s no surprise he injured it once he had to hit the hardest part of his training cycle.

Angle also made news in Pittsburgh that day saying how his mother was scammed out of $4,000 by people who called her up and told her that her grandson was in jail in the Dominican Republic and needed money. When she wired the money, the people called her again and asked for another $4,000, at which point she called Kurt. For what it’s worth, a local TV station, WTAE, published a wiring receipt that showed $3,000 and not $4,000 being wired, but overall the story was correct. Kurt thought it was a scam and called and found out that his nephew had not been in the Dominican Republic for more than a year and was fine, so Kurt called the authorities who also found another area woman who was called with a similar scam.
Diego Sanchez said this past week he was seriously considering moving back to lightweight. Currently out after shoulder surgery, he called the move a probability. He told Dana White he’d like to face Anthony Pettis, who is also resting up after shoulder surgery.
Since being fired last week, King Mo Lawal has been apologetic to a degree regarding what he wrote on twitter about commissioner Pat Lundvall. Lundvall, a well known attorney (she has a reputation for being one of the best lawyers in the state), asked Lawal, like an attorney would, if he could read or write English when his fight questionnaire form said he didn’t use any supplements before the fight, and then after the test, he came to the commission not only claiming a supplement, S Mass Lean Gainer, caused his positive test for Drostanolone, but giving the commission a list of nine supplements he was using regularly, two taken at times during the camp and four other drugs used to help strengthen or for pain killing (like Lidocaine) in his bad knee within 30 days of the fight. He called her a racist bitch on twitter. It should be noted that Lundvall had done the same line of questioning with a white fighter, a boxer, not all that long ago who also had claimed to be taking no supplements on his fight questionnaire, and then tested positive and claimed a list of supplements. Lawal was on a Comcast Sports Bay Area talk show and said, “I was out of line for calling the woman the b-word and I was wrong for that. I was kind of mad about the comments. I was offended by the comments made toward me and I was out of line. I was too emotional. I apologize for that. With that being said, I still feel that I was offended, but I’m in the wrong for what I said.” It wouldn’t shock me to see Dana White bring him back, like he did with Miguel Torres, and it’s really not an issue now since Lawal can’t fight until his suspension ends in October, at the earliest, and maybe longer with all the problems with staph he’s been experiencing of late. One of the reasons I would bring him back is while he never should have written what he did, I’m not sure it was a firing offense, although it probably was a disciplinary level offense. Another is just all the stuff he was dealing with. Lawal said this past week that the staph is finally gone.

Lundvall, who said that questioning is standard operating procedure in a situation like that, noted that Lawal has not called her personally to apologize for the remarks. She said if he did, she’d accept his apology and with him the best from there.
Randy Orton was dropped from the lead role in the movie “Marine” Homefront,” because as soon as the word got out, the Marines were furious. Corporal Mike Vinn and other members of the Devil Dogs, a marine corps unit that Orton deserted in 1999, contacted the Marines, who contacted WWE. WWE issued an apology and pulled Orton from the movie, and told TMZ.com that “WWE demonstrated poor judgment in signing Randy Orton for the third installment of the film. Despite Randy’s popularity, the fact that he was dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Marine Corps made it inappropriate for him to be cast in this film.” Orton went AWOL twice, tried to get a psychiatric discharge, was charged with disobeying orders from his commanding officer and ended up being court martialed and spent 38 days in a military prison. Vinn, before Orton was pulled from the movie, said, “I am disgusted that his face and the word Marine are being used next to each other, real or fake, because of the fact that he quit us, the country, and the Marine Corps. In the role of a marine (he) is a disgrace to those that have worn and are wearing that uniform.” Vinn then praised the WWE for pulling Orton from the role, saying, “On behalf of all the Marines from Aco 1/4 98-02, that were outraged to hear about Randy Orton portraying a marine in the next movie, `Marine: Homefront,’ I’d like to thank the WWE for pulling Orton from the role when they heard about his disloyal service to the United States Marine Corps. It shows respect for not only the unit I served in, but for every person that has ever defended this nation. Thank you WWE.” Because this movie is a co-promotion with 20th Century Fox, WWE wants someone with a big name in the movie that starts filming in June, but the number of guys considered at or near the Orton level are not many.
The 1989 movie “No Holds Barred” starring Hulk Hogan and Tiny Lister as Zeus, will be released on DVD for the first time on 7/3. That does have something to do with some of the positive mentions of Hogan on television in recent weeks.
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The UFC 146 main event on 5/26 in Las Vegas is on hold for another two weeks, until the Nevada State Athletic Commission makes its official ruling on Alistair Overeem, who failed a test for having artificial testosterone in his system during a random test on 3/27.

Dana White has said two things this past week. The first was that the Cain Velasquez vs. Frank Mir fight will not be changed, meaning the two most obvious replacements for Overeem to get a shot at heavyweight champion Junior Dos Santos are out the window. The other is that, obviously, somebody will be fighting Junior Dos Santos for the heavyweight title.

It is widely expected that Overeem’s camp will attempt to make the defense that he was legally prescribed testosterone replacement therapy, and since he was not licensed yet by Nevada since his prior license expired on 12/31, he was under no obligation to inform them of it until such time as he would be licensed. Of course, bringing that up for the first time only after the failed test would raise some eyebrows, particularly when the stipulations of his last license was that he would be tested at least twice randomly over the first six months of this year out of competition.

What also hurts him is that in November, when he took the blood test instead of the urine test “by accident,” it showed his testosterone levels were normal, not high, not low, and not needing any kind of replacement therapy. While you hear people close to the situation say this is going to work and it’s a done deal, I heard all this with Chael Sonnen, how he was going to claim he needed testosterone replacement, but there are specific steps you need to go through to be approved in the major states, and it’s not simply get a note from a doctor and you’re free and clear. Only three fighters, Dan Henderson, Todd Duffee and Shane Roller have ever been approved in Nevada. Only one, Henderson, has ever been approved in California. Only two have ever been approved in Ohio. Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission has said they won’t accept a testosterone use exemption from a fighter who damaged his endocrine system, thus is producing low levels of testosterone naturally and needs help, if the belief the damage was caused by previous steroid use.

If it’s not Overeem, it would now appear to come down to Mark Hunt (there is a twitter campaign to get Hunt the title shot which would be unfortunate because it’s pretty obvious of all the opponents, he or Werdum would draw the worst, well more likely Mir or Velasquez would draw the best and the other three would draw at an equal level, but people on key Internet MMA message boards have tried to start a campaign and flood White’s twitter to make it appear he’s the most popular choice), Fabricio Werdum (scheduled for the 6/16 show in Brazil and he did look great beating Roy Nelson, but didn’t look good in losing via decision to Overeem in his prior fight) or Dan Henderson (who has said he’d accept it, but I don’t like the idea because of the size difference.

All fights have intrigue. Hunt only has an 8-7 career record and had lost six fights in a row from 2006 to 2010, including being submitted in 63 seconds in his UFC debut with Sean McCorkle. Now 38, he does hit hard and has a good chin, or at least had one because at his age, that may no longer be the case, so presents an interesting contrast to Dos Santos, who relies on his boxing as his prime weapon. But his ground game is deficient and aside from an impressive performance against an aging and injured Cheick Kongo on 2/26 in Saitama, Japan, his other UFC wins were sloppy slobber knocker style wins over journeyman Chris Tutscherer and Ben Rothwell. It’s almost ridiculous he would get a title shot ahead of Velasquez or Mir.

Werdum, 34, is 15-5-1, with one of those losses being via knockout in 2008 against Dos Santos in just 1:21. He at least looked the part of a top contender with his most impressive striking performance of his career in beating Nelson via decision on 2/4 in Las Vegas, and does have a quick submission win over Fedor Emelianenko.

Henderson, 41, has only fought once as a heavyweight, beating Emelianenko by a first round stoppage from punches. He’s the biggest name and would draw the best of the three names, but he’s not a heavyweight, and even though very popular, is not a top draw either, just the best of the three. When his name came up this past week, he said he was up for the challenge. Right now he’s waiting for a shot at the winner of Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans, and that’s a better match for both he and the company, so I just don’t see it being him.

According to those close to the situation, Dos Santos has been very frustrated, given that he’s in camp and has gotten no indication who his opponent will be. There is an understanding about nothing official until the hearing, but he feels that he should at least be told the backup plan, given that you couldn’t have two more different style of fighters than Hunt and Werdum, and thus, since the betting is on Overeem not being licensed, he’s in camp and completely in the dark with what he should be focusing on.

An Observer poll of the candidates for the match saw 35% favor Mir, 24% favored Velasquez, 18% favored Hunt, 17% favored Henderson and only 5% favored Werdum.

I’d think it should be Mir based on who would be ranked the highest and is coming off a win, but there are always reasons behind the scene that in this case play into the decision making here. The one with the best chance of winning and best fighter out of the bunch is probably Velasquez. But the problem is the Dos Santos vs. Velasqeuz fight ended so quickly it would be difficult to book a rematch without Velasquez getting at least one high profile win. And the winner of this fight will have earned what is currently planned to be the next title fight, likely in the fall.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission ordered a hearing on 4/24 for Overeem, who has not responded to the commission as of press time nor said anything publicly since his test result came in last week. UFC will present all relevant forms and such to allow him to apply for a license, although I don’t see how Nevada can possibly license him.

Overeem hasn’t requested for his “B” sample to be tested yet, although sources close to his camp over this past weekend had brought up asking to test the “B” sample with the hope it comes in at less than 6-1, in which case he’d be free and clear to get licensed and fight.

The first sample was 14-1 (which means he almost had to have taken a shot of testosterone just a few days before the test) and when you pee in the cup, they split your urine into two canisters, one becomes the “A” and the other the “B” so it’s from the same sample but rarely is going to yield different results. Plus, a second failed test will bring only more negative publicity. There have been times when the samples yield different results, but they are rare. If Overeem tested at 7-1 and not 14-1, the chances would be a lot better.

If Overeem goes for a license and is turned down, he could not request another license until April 24, 2013. While he would not be technically suspended, most states would not allow him to fight until he got licensed first in Nevada (which, quite frankly, is another loophole that needs to be closed because if you have a fight signed and fail a test, you should be suspended and be on the disqualified list throughout North America for the nine months or one year that is the norm for a failed test). Some states may not care like Texas as we saw with Chael Sonnen and Josh Barnett who were both allowed to fight in Texas without getting cleared in California in each case, the state of their original infraction.

The problem is at this point, nobody is going to believe he’s clean and if he’s licensed and wins the title, there will be a very negative shadow over the entire sport, from the regulators to UFC to the sport itself. I grant you if that were to happen, it’s hardly like there haven’t been world champions who were on all kinds of stuff before. But it’s a public image thing.
The most famous American pro wrestler of all-time, with the possible exception of Hulk Hogan, was the famed exercise guru Jack LaLanne (who briefly worked as a pro wrestler in California in the late 1930s before he became a famous national television personality), the most famous pro wrestling announcer of all-time was Mike Wallace, the legendary television newsman who passed away on 4/8 at the age of 93. Wallace, early in his career, was a television announcer for a Chicago wrestling show in 1949 and 1950. Jack Brickhouse, who announced wrestling in the 50s and again in the early 90s with WCW on the WGN show out of Chicago is a Baseball Hall of Famer but would only be a household name in the sports world. Steve Allen (the first host of the Tonight Show) and Joe Garagiola (who later became a regular Tonight show replacement host and a star on the Today show and the best known baseball announcer of his time) both started their television careers as wrestling announcers. Dennis James was also a television announcer on the Dumont Network in the 50s. They were all well known mainstream names in the 70s in particular. But no way either of them were as famous, nor for as long as Wallace, best known as the lead reporter on “60 Minutes” for nearly four decades, who, along with Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite would have been one of the three most famous television newsmen in U.S. history.
Scott Hall, 53, was arrested once again on 4/6 and charged with domestic violence, although the case may not move forward, because girlfriend Lisa Howell has refused to press charges. Police were called at about 5 p.m. that day to Hall’s home in Chuluota, FL about a domestic disturbance. When they arrived, Howell told them that Hall had been drinking for days and the two had gotten into an argument. She got in her car and tried to leave, and alleged that Hall, in a blind rage, grabbed her by the throat and tried to pull her out of the car. The Seminole County police report stated that officers confronted Hall. The report said Hall appeared to be heavily intoxicated and had an unknown white secretion flowing from both sides of his mouth. Hall denied any violence toward Howell. However, officers noticed bruising on Howell as well as red marks around her neck, consistent with her story, and arrested Hall. When Hall arrived at the police station, they refused to book him due to concern with how intoxicated he was, and instead took him to a hospital. Several hours later, at about 9 p.m. that night, he was brought back from the hospital to jail where he was booked. He was released the next day on $500 bond.
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Ultimate Warrior, 52, suffered a torn biceps in training and is likely to need surgery to re-attach it.
Maven Huffman, 35, who was arrested last week for going to multiple doctors for the same ailment and thus getting multiple prescriptions totaling more than 1,000 pain killers, has consented to go into WWE-sponsored rehab. His lawyer, James Flynn, said that Maven is not admitting to any criminal wrongdoing, but intends to cooperate with law enforcement officials. “Maven would also like his supporters to know that he is humbled by the outpouring of support he has received over the past week and he sincerely apologizes to any of his family members, friends and fans who have had to read the press surrounding recent events,” said his lawyer.
Shaver Hansen, 24, the son of Stan Hansen, was released this past week by baseball’s Seattle Mariners farm system. Hansen, who had been a college baseball star at Baylor University, where he was the team’s MVP in 2008, had spent three seasons not advancing past Class A ball in the minor leagues, and had averaged .232.
This week’s Kurt Angle story is that he tore his hamstring (which is why he wrestled Jeff Hardy in a TV match a few days later without limping or anything) and claimed it’s 50/50 he’s going to the Olympic trials. In other words, he’s going to kill himself in the Lockdown cage match and be unable to go. He said he wants to go to the trials but if his hamstring injury gets worse he can’t. Yeah, one would think resting a blown hamstring for the Olympic trials would take precedent over working television matches three days later. He said his TNA job is his No. 1 priority. First off, if doing TV matches on a blown hamstring is a bigger priority, why is he even wasting his time and everyone else’s time talking about Olympic training other than it’s this year’s version of him going to UFC. Anyway, this situation is exactly what everyone predicted going in and Kurt is not competing in the Olympic trials no matter what he may or may not be saying publicly.
Lars Ulrich, the drummer of Metallica, was on Howard Stern on 4/10 and asked about the story that Hulk Hogan was asked to join the band when he was younger. Ulrich started laughing at the story, saying he heard it two or three months ago and had no recollection of it happening. He then joked that anything is possible between 5 a.m. and 7 a.m. when your noses are bleeding. Ulrich said he wasn’t much of a wrestling fan, and said perhaps Hogan auditioned under his Christian name.
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my god that dude is long winded
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Cris Cyborg Santos’ hearing before the California State Athletic Commission on 4/9 saw them uphold her one year suspension, which lasts until 1/7. Santos, 26, tested positive for Stanazolol after her 1/7 knockout win over Hiroko Yamanaka in 16 seconds. The result of that fight has been changed to a no contest. Santos claimed that her test came up positive because one of her coaches gave her something to help her lose weight. Commissioner John Frierson applauded Santos in being contrite and admitting that she made a mistake, and wanted to cut her suspension to six months. However, the other commissioners didn’t agree and upheld the one year ban.

At the same hearing, the California commission voted to approve a new regulation that specifies how to go about it and allow therapeutic use exemptions for testosterone and marijuana. Before the rules go into effect, they still have to be passed by the Department of Consumer Affairs and the Office of Administrative Law. The regulations for getting an exemption were modeled after the process used by the World Anti-Doping Agency for Olympic athletes. The amendment read these exemptions will only be allowed if the medication is needed to maintain health and it doesn’t lead to gaining a competitive advantage in a match. While no formal regulations are in place, California has only approved one fighter, Dan Henderson, for his 11/19 fight in San Jose against Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, for testosterone replacement therapy. Henderson, already licensed to use TRT in Nevada after undergoing tests there, also had to undergo a rigorous approval process since he was California’s test case.
Joe Rogan on Inside MMA went against the grain and said he believes marijuana is a performance enhancer. An admitted significant user, Rogan said Jiu Jitsu guys smoke marijuana to get a better feel for the game and that it also helps you absorb pain better.
Nick Diaz’s opponent in a Jiu Jitsu match on 5/12 in Long Beach will be Braulio Estema, a multi-time world champion in that sport whose ground game is considered at a different level than that of Diaz.
The latest in Rampage Jackson stupidity is him doing this comedy video where he shows up and stalks a woman and puts a mask on and tries to rape her. The punch line is the woman ends up kicking his ass. It was an attempt at humor. It wasn’t funny. It’s not like I’d fire a guy or suspend him over it, but UFC really needs to tell its fighters that from this point forward there should be a zero tolerance policy on rape jokes either on twitter or video. They’ve already got enough problems with political enemies and while 95% of the fighters are fine, the other 5% doing stuff like that makes the whole sport look like lowlifes.
An ultimate freak show fight was announced for 5/12 in Lodz, Poland, as former strongest man in the world Mariusz Pudzianowski, a big heavyweight draw in Poland, will face Bob Sapp. Sapp has lost nine of his last ten fights in his going around all corners of the Earth and losing to local (and sometimes not local) star tour. Besides pro wrestling in Japan, he also has a fight on 4/22 in Slovenia and on 5/18 in Australia.
The Thailand Sports Ministry ruled a few weeks back that MMA is too brutal and banned it nationally. Amazing in a country that is the home base of Muay Thai, which is far more brutal. Sounds like a deal like in this country with boxing promoters, where the Muay Thai forces are so entrenched publicly and see MMA as possible competition, that they’ve been able to keep it out.
Former UFC and Pride heavyweight Gilbert Yvel cut to light heavyweight and knocked out Houston Alexander at 3:59 on 3/31 in Kearney, NE for the Resurrection Fighting Alliance. Former UFC heavyweight champion Maurice Smith, 50, came out of retirement and knocked out Jorge Codoba in 2:05 of the third round with a high kick. Tara LaRosa, who was considered by some as the best woman fighter in the world before Cris Cyborg came along, returned after a year off, missing weight by several pounds, and beating Kelly Warren with an armbar with one second left in the fight. Dakota Cochrane, who was the guy who did gay porn that lost in the fight to get into the UFC Fighter house, returned and lost via choke submission to Cliff Wright at 4:39.
Chris Honeycutt of Edinboro, who placed second in the NCAA tournament at 197 pounds, has committed to going into MMA.
The Vancouver Sun ran a story about Dwayne Johnson being cut by the Calgary Stampeders in 1995 after he brought it up on his 4/2 Raw interview. Apparently some commentators in the Canadian Football League were offended by his remarks. The line was, “In 1995, The Rock was cut from the Canadian Football League. Do you have any idea how much you’ve gotta suck to get cut from the Canadian Football League?” The story noted that Johnson is actually a Canadian citizen, since Canada recognizes first generation born children of Canadians, and Rocky Johnson was born in Amherst, Nova Scotia and was trained in boxing and wrestling in Toronto. When Dwayne was born and Rocky and his family were living in Hayward, CA, Rocky was always billed on television as being from Detroit, yet at the house shows in San Jose, he would be billed from Halifax. Wally Buono was the coach of the Calgary Stampeders in 1995, and he remembers things differently, but only a little. “He was okay as a football player. His agent phoned me from Miami because he had a wrestling opportunity and asked me to do him a favor by cutting him. I knew he was from a wrestling family. Let’s put it this way. I didn’t have any problem letting him go.”
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protobuilder wrote:my god that dude is long winded
Yes, he must be insane.
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T200 wrote:
protobuilder wrote:my god that dude is long winded
Yes, he must be insane.
I wouldn't want to speculate
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Scott Hall, 53, was arrested once again on 4/6 and charged with domestic violence, although the case may not move forward, because girlfriend Lisa Howell has refused to press charges. Police were called at about 5 p.m. that day to Hall’s home in Chuluota, FL about a domestic disturbance. When they arrived, Howell told them that Hall had been drinking for days and the two had gotten into an argument. She got in her car and tried to leave, and alleged that Hall, in a blind rage, grabbed her by the throat and tried to pull her out of the car. The Seminole County police report stated that officers confronted Hall. The report said Hall appeared to be heavily intoxicated and had an unknown white secretion flowing from both sides of his mouth. Hall denied any violence toward Howell. However, officers noticed bruising on Howell as well as red marks around her neck, consistent with her story, and arrested Hall. When Hall arrived at the police station, they refused to book him due to concern with how intoxicated he was, and instead took him to a hospital. Several hours later, at about 9 p.m. that night, he was brought back from the hospital to jail where he was booked. He was released the next day on $500 bond.
Saw the Outside the Lines special on Hall. I'm surprised he's still alive.
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WrestleMania 28 is now officially the largest grossing pro wrestling event of all-time based on initial estimates released by WWE.

The show is estimated at grossing $67 million based on PPV, live gate and merchandise, up from an estimated $59.6 million for last year’s previous record setting show.

It was pretty much a given it would be, based on the record live gate at Marine Life Stadium in Miami, and U.S. PPV estimates from last week that showed an increase over the previous year.

However, the 1.3 million worldwide figure as a first estimate makes it the single most purchased pro wrestling event of all-time. It should be noted that those in the company cite this is just a rough estimate, and it could end up a little higher or a little lower. With the variations of such an early number, it is most likely it will be the largest PPV numbers worldwide in company history. Even if the initial number ends up as a slightly high estimate, it at worst would be the second biggest in history to the 2007 show.

With the number, a rematch between the two is definitely still possible for next year’s Mania in New York, which as of today is scheduled to be headlined by Rock against either Cena or Brock Lesnar. A lot of factors will play into the decision, largely based on where Lesnar stands and at the end of the year who would be expected to do better business. Factors would include how over Lesnar is compared to Cena, the fact Cena vs. Rock just happened the year before while Lesnar vs. Rock wouldn’t have happened on a big stage (2002 SummerSlam) by that point in more than a decade, at a time when neither were anywhere as big mainstream names as they are today. In addition, Lesnar is unpredictable for all the reasons everyone knows, while Cena isn’t going anywhere. There was subtle promotion of both even as early as this week’s Raw show, te clip in a Lesnar package of his using the F-5 to beat Rock for the title in 2002, and the mention by Jerry Lawler that he doesn’t believe Cena has slept well once since he lost to Rock.

To understand the importance of this figure, it means that even if PPV numbers continue to decline the rest of the year that the annual numbers should show a sizeable increase over last year. That’s what happened last year with Mania and this year’s show was considerably bigger.

The number tells a lot of things, most notably about the correlation between television ratings and PPV numbers, since the audience for WWE television was down considerably this year in the build-up of this year to last year. But this year had the stronger attraction, with Rock wrestling instead of just appearing (and this shows that made a difference), a dream match with John Cena for a full year of promotion.

It also had a promotional package that had worked big in the past with both boxing and MMA, with the first-ever Countdown style show, and it aired not just on USA Network but across the NBC Universal cable platforms all week. A lot of people who usually don’t watch wrestling in flipping channels likely saw the special, and awareness of this year’s Mania was probably the highest since the late 80s.

The first boxing show of its type with Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. blew away all previous boxing numbers at a time when Mayweather Jr. had never drawn 500,000 buys in his life. Even De La Hoya’s previous biggest number was only 1.4 million. Yet with the Countdown shows, it ended up doing 2.45 million buys in North America alone, likely more than triple what this show did. And it also had PPV around the world. Since HBO has continued to do those type of shows for the biggest fights, numbers for boxing PPV events are much higher than at any time in history except the heyday of Mike Tyson, and that’s with lighter-weight fighters doing the big business.

UFC set records with Countdown shows, although the effectiveness of them does decline the more they are done. With WWE, doing them once, or perhaps twice a year like boxing could be a great method of expanding buys.

Sources within WWE noted that the 1.3 million number is just a rough estimate, and not any kind of an exact figure. The company’s all-time worldwide record of 1.25 million was set at WrestleMania 23, when Vince McMahon and Donald Trump each put up their hair, with Vince getting his head shaved, in a Bobby Lashley vs. Umaga match with Steve Austin as referee. Most years, the final number ends up being a little, and sometimes even a lot higher than the first released number. Last year’s final numbers were 65,000 buys more than the first announced figure. The 2007 figure was 132,000 more than the first announced figure, although increases like that are rare because in recent years estimating and early accounting has improved, which has also meant that there are also some examples of shows where early estimates end up high. Usually that’s not the case with monster shows (although it has happened in the past with WrestleManias), but with lesser performing shows, and in those cases, the declines are usually minimal.

As far as actual records, what can be said pretty much conclusively is that this event, estimated at doing $56 million in PPV revenue (again a very rough estimate as that would actually work out to closer to 1,225,000 buys based on $28 million going to WWE at $22.85 per buy revenue of last year, which would indicate a soft 1.3 in the sense it may be in the range of 1.25 million), $8.9 million in live gate and nearly $2 million in merchandise sales, to get the $67 million figure. Last year’s numbers were$25.7 million company gross from PPV (or about $51.4 million total), $6.3 million live gate and $1.9 million in merchandise sales.

None of this news helped the stock, which fell to a 52-week low of $8.02 per share the day the news broke.

In comparison to the record-setting 2007 show, you are still talking about an expanded international universe, including the addition of Mexico that didn’t exist then. WWE officials did not have an estimate of North American buys at this point, only saying the percentage looks to be identical with last year (roughly a 60/40 split between North America and international). At 1,225,000, that would be about 735,000 buys. At 1.3 million, that would be 780,000 buys. The three biggest up to this point on the all-time North American list are the 2001 show (Rock vs. Austin doing 950,000), 2007 (825,000), and 1989 (The year-long Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Savage story that did 767,000). Others shows not far off those marks would include the 2000 WrestleMania (Rock vs. Big Show vs. HHH vs. Mick Foley with a McMahon in each corner) and the 2001 Invasion show (WWF vs. WCW & ECW in an elimination match). It is unlikely to break the North American record, but it could conceivably move into second place when all is said and done.

It’s not the level of big boxing matches, but it’s bigger than all but the historical top tier UFC fights (Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz, Brock Lesnar’s fights with Randy Couture, Frank Mir, Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez, and Rampage Jackson vs. Rashad Evans–which in hindsight now looks to be the single best promoted fight in recent years since it wasn’t even a title fight), and on par with the biggest GSP main events, and bigger in the U.S. since the show didn’t do close to GSP levels in Canada. It grossed more money on the event itself than any UFC event in history except UFC 100 (about $77.5 million). It can’t hold a candle to the big boxing matches which have higher prices, more buys and bigger live gates, and when boxing announces its figures, international PPV numbers aren’t even figured in. De La Hoya vs. Mayweather based on that formula did $137 million in North American PPV revenue and an $18,415,200 live gate, so that’s $155 million not even including merchandise.

The number also shows that things like Rock wrestling at Survivor Series, even though that didn’t pay off financially for that show, likely didn’t hurt Mania numbers at all. I never thought it would, as Rock vs. Cena as a dream match trumped “Rock’s first match back” as an attraction, also because not all that money people bought “Rock’s first match back” because it was the wrong match with the wrong story and the wrong opponents. But it shows how much more valuable he is doing Mania as compared to doing another show. The booking goal of trying to get Cena cheered in the building, which completely failed, couldn’t have hurt numbers much. It was surely helped somewhat by having no PPV competition with UFC not having a show since late February and no major boxing event so far this year. When UFC canceled its 3/24 show in Montreal, it gave WWE far more commercial time from cable providers in the window from about March 10 to March 26 than it would have had, not to mention eliminated all competition for crossover consumer money and interest (in the sense of attending group parties). But at the end of the day, while certain variables are always in play and this had far more positive breaks than recent years, it still comes down to the basics. WWE gave people a match that they wanted to see, and a No. 2 match that was strong support, and the Mania brand name gives you a large base just to start out with. The product of wrestling isn’t hot, but in the barest of elements, it was two guys who people knew who had an issue that was tangible that people could relate to. The fact it was at WrestleMania magnified it greatly. It was the biggest financially based on factors that make the biggest financially easier as new revenue streams come. It was not the single most interest in history, because it didn’t top 2001 in head-to-head markets. For that matter, it probably wasn’t as big as Manias in 1985, 1987 and 1989 but it’s much easier to make money on a show today. But the business was far more popular then.

Comparing it to other high-water marks, such as the big original WrestleManias of the 80s, is difficult. Everything was so different in 1985 as PPV barely existed. I don’t think this show had anywhere close to the general public interest as the 1985 show did, and no WWE show since really ever has. It was a perfect storm of Mr. T being such an enormous television star and in a fight that a lot of people bought, the heel work of Roddy Piper, the likes of which no heel in Mania history has ever approached, Hulk Hogan was a hot new thing in pop culture and it was the first time something like this had happened. Plus, it got so much media at the end. That show was front page of many newspapers and a major story on major television newscasts. This year’s show got more media because of the fragmented aspect of the media, but it got nowhere close to the level of major media.

The 1987 show was a bigger deal to wrestling fans than 1985, but it was nowhere near as big to the general public. It did 400,000 PPV buys when there were only 5 million U.S. homes that had PPV. This year, the North American number will fall in the 730,000-810,000 range, but that’s with 99 million homes in the U.S. wired for PPV.

The 1989 show wasn’t as big as 1985 or 1987. It didn’t get the mainstream publicity, but it’s big angle was on NBC in prime time. It had the right players, Hogan still in his peak, Savage right at his peak, and arguably the best constructed storyline in company history. That show’s 767,000 buys came at a time when there were 13 million addressable homes.

But on a percentage basis, everything in the 80s did tons better, whether it be boxing or anything. When it came to a pure percentage of homes available, Starrcade 87, which was a flop at the time, based on today’s homes in theory would have done more than 3 million domestic buys, and the Great American Bash the next year would have done nearly 2 million. WrestleMania III would have done 8 million and Mike Tyson vs. Razor Ruddock (which was a big deal because it was Tyson at the time, but is hardly remembered as a match of the century) would have done more than 9 million. But they really wouldn’t.

The thing about WrestleMania from 1985-1989 is that on PPV (and there were some systems carrying the first Mania even though it was mainly a closed-circuit show) is that while PPV was prevalent compared to today, if you chose a market that had PPV capability, let’s say San Jose, that more people bought WrestleMania than watched the weekly TV show in that market for free. That’s amazing when you think about it but it says that wrestling had an appeal past the people who watched TV weekly. While I’m certain this year’s Mania also had plenty of buyers that don’t watch television, the vast majority do and of the ones who aren’t weekly TV regulars, I’ll bet the number was very slow as far as who bought. Before, it was like almost everyone who watched bought, plus people buying because it was such a big thing and they weren’t even regular viewers. If we figure on 668,000 buys in the U.S. (Midway through the two estimates that came in last week) and 3 million U.S. homes watching the go-home Raw, that’s a 22.3% conversion rate, as compared to 2.7% for a usual PPV, and 0.6% for TNA’s Victory Road.

There is no explanation for this, but as more and more homes got PPV, the numbers of PPV buys did not increase by much at all. That’s why in the 90s, everyone dropped talking about percentage buy rates as opposed to total buys. For whatever reason, whether you had 30 million or 60 million or 90 million homes with access, the fact is, roughly the same number were buying, and that went for everything, not just wrestling. In the early days of PPV, promoters were looking at the day everyone could order and thinking, if we just get 2%, which is what a Crockett PPV would get, well, that’s 2 million homes at $20 (the going price at the time) six times a year and getting half of that and that’s huge, and WWF was thinking significantly bigger. But it didn’t turn out that way, not for boxing either, which was getting 3% buy rates for nothing fights, 6% buy rates for fights with a little bit of mainstream appeal and 10% buy rates for the big fights in the 80s.

I think a lot of the early success was the novelty of it. In those days, just the idea of an event being on PPV, because they were so rare, was considered like you were getting to see something on TV that you weren’t supposed to see. What you bought on PPV was considered too good for TV. It’s the big boxing matches that you had to to go an arena to watch on closed-circuit or watch on a week tape delay because you never got them on TV for free. It was the pro wrestling supercard matches that you heard about from a city far,far away, that most people only dreamed of being able to see, and now they could. So as far as the argument that those shows would have done more had they been around when everyone had access to PPV. Maybe. But then again, this show would have been awfully big as well if you had a movie star against the biggest pro wrestling star in the business before the celebrity gimmick had been done 100 times and before people had learned to skip PPV shows, PPV itself ceased to be special, and without MMA, wrestling, while obviously not real, didn’t have that fact thrown in your face nearly as much.

My feeling is this. Hogan vs. Andre was the biggest to wrestling fans because Hogan never lost and nobody had ever seen Andre lose and both were one-of-a-kind attractions. Andre had been around traveling around the country for 14 years and the idea he had never lost a match (not true, but it was drummed into people’s heads) and wrestling was more popular then. But was Hogan vs. Andre as big as De La Hoya vs. Mayweather or a Tyson fight to the general public? No way. Not even close. Something that big I believe would have done 1 million buys in North America easy. As it was, it did almost 450,000 viewers on closed-circuit to go with its 400,000 buys. If you can get that many people to get up, leave their home and go to a local arena, you can get a large multiple of that to stay home and watch on PPV. But no way would it have come close to 2 million. As big as it was, it was nowhere near as big as Tyson vs. Holyfield or De La Hoya vs. Mayweather.

Another note on this number has to do with illegal streaming and lots of people congregating in one home, which WWE has claimed has led to its steady declines in recent years. UFC has never blamed people congregating, because they expect that as part of the package, but has blamed streaming. And there is no question that it hurts to a degree, but it appears when you have a major attraction, you are still going to do big numbers. Boxing numbers being gigantic even with the advent of streaming was blamed on it drawing from an older age group and also running only a few major shows that anyone really watches. If WWE numbers were going to be hurt by people congregating together, this show would have been it, because more people likely got together to watch this than any other show in at least the last year, if not in several years. And it may be that illegal streams hurt “B” shows, but when people think it’s the must-see show, they will pay for it.

If nothing else, even though there were non-wrestler celebrities making guest appearances on the show, nobody was buying to see Maria Menounos and Machine Gun Kelly. This, by a clear-cut margin was the biggest show of this post Monday Night Wars era where a non-wrestling celebrity wasn’t the reason for the buys. And while Rock was the key, in no way would he have pulled these numbers against Randy Orton or C.M. Punk, so Cena deserves credit for being a great antagonist in the same tier as all of the greats who were involved in the record-breaking shows of their respective eras. He gave Rock a good reason to come back that people bought, because the origination of this story was kind of real, even if very few wanted Cena to win. And in the end, the right guy won for the night as they sent the people home happy, which a win by Cena would not have done. Whether it was people wanting to see the spectacle of Rock vs. Cena, the intrigue of Rock doing a singles match, or see Rock show Cena that the guys from the other era were better and the real stars, the dynamic made it one of the very biggest pro wrestling matches in history.
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The subject of UFC drug testing, brought to the spotlight by Alistair Overeem being the third championship level fighter in the past few months (following Cris Cyborg and King Mo Lawal) to fail tests, caused Dana White to say once again over the weekend that the company was not going to drug test fighters.

“It’s a crazy hot topic right now, but in all of sports, we have the gold standard in testing policies,” said White over the weekend. “It is what it is. These guys are getting tested all the time. “

”We don’t do random testing. All the guys that come into the UFC, you sign the deal with us, you get tested. Go into The Ultimate Fighter, we test. We don’t have to test. That’s what the athletic commission does. But we test. Now they’re doing testing before the fights, after the fights, the testing is the gold standard in all of sports.”

The remarks caused even more questions to be asked, partially because it’s been brought up that Thiago Silva just main evented a UFC, that Chael Sonnen is about to challenge for the middleweight title, and Alistair Overeem may still challenge for the heavyweight title, pending the results of his 4/24 hearing before the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

In the case of Silva, he did his time. He was suspended for a year. Ditto Sonnen. A one year suspension is no slap on the wrist for a competitive athlete who has a short career shelf life. In the case of Sonnen, the suspension likely cost him seven figures in income, as well as sponsorships. UFC was also going to heavily promote him, and he lost exposure as a coach on TUF. So he did pay the price. Whether he should be allowed a testosterone exemption, is another question. And nobody has answered as to how apparently easy it was for Rampage Jackson to get one in a fight that the UFC acted as the commission for in Japan.

There are testosterone use exemptions in other sports, and they are actually far more common in baseball than in MMA, but they are kept quiet. The problem is whether they are abused, and really not necessary in all cases. They are legitimate medical therapy for people suffering from low testosterone that would risk their health. It isn’t limited to people who have damaged their endocrine system from steroids, but would include people like that. The problem is whether fighters who have used steroids in the past and been damaged from them should have the right to supplement them for fighting. They have the legal right, and they would not, at least in some cases, be healthy without it. But whether they should be allowed to compete in professional sports, let alone a fighting sport, with that therapy is another issue. In a perfect world where they would be constantly monitored and stay within limits, I’d say yes. In the real world, where people get prescriptions from shady doctors and don’t stay within limits because they know when they are testing and just make sure they are okay on testing day, the abuse of the loophole leads to the belief they should just ban them altogether. A lot of fighters, including Mark Munoz, Tito Ortiz and Michael Bisping of late have come to the same conclusion. The reality is high level professional sports has a selection process to begin with. If the most you can weigh while being in condition is 180 pounds, you aren’t going to be able to play the offensive line in the NFL. If you aren’t born with the right kind of muscle fibers, you can train your whole life for the sprints, but you aren’t going to be able to compete at the top level. If you are 5-7, while there are exceptions, you are probably not playing D-1 basketball or the NBA. So by that same standard, if your body doesn’t produce adequate testosterone, maybe you shouldn’t be a professional fighter.

“When people start saying credibility, this doesn’t affect the credibility of the UFC,” said White. “We are more on top of drug testing than any other sport on Earth except the Olympics. I have 375 fighters in every country all over the world. The battle I have to get them to sign their bout agreements and show up for press is unbelievable. I have to make personal phone calls to them to get guys to talk to the press. Now I have to make phone calls to get them to take their drug tests?”

The situation is people realize how easy it is to beat the current testing procedure, and know that Overeem only got nailed because he didn’t know the day he was going to be tested, so he took the chance. If Nevada clears him, and if he fights and wins, it could be a P.R. disaster for the company, particularly since Junior dos Santos has publicly said he doesn’t think he should have to fight Overeem.

“”If it is proven that there was use of illegal substances, it is a disrespect to the sport and something unfair to me,” said dos Santos. “The ratio of testosterone in his body may increase by 30% his strength and aggressiveness I was told by people who know the subject. It will really be an unfair fight, but as a fighter, I will be ready to face anyone.”

He also said he favored more thorough testing, including blood testing.

“Being a world champion making false use of a lot of drugs, that’s not being champion. I can clearly say that I am the champion without ever having the use of any illegal substances in order to get there. I favor more rigorous tests to assess whether someone is doped. It has to be a clean sport and these tests should occur more as surprises. If Overeem is more aggressive and stronger, he will be able to resist blows and it will be difficult for me. If I lose, it will be unfair. He will not have fought better than I have if he fought doped.”

When it comes to implementing a drug testing program, UFC does pose certain problems other sports don’t. For example, in WWE, the wrestlers are at TV every week, which is where most of the testing takes place. UFC fighters don’t have games a few times a week, or once a week, where they congregate. With the exception of when all fighters are flown to Las Vegas for the company’s annual summit, the fighters are never together at the same time. However, testing can be done. The Olympic athletes live all over the world and train away from home. There is a system in place. It would likely cost $1 million to $1.5 million annually to implement it.

“When people write `I don’t think UFC is doing enough, they should randomly drug test,’ we do test when they sign their contracts. Testing is being done by the athletic commission. You guys are being fucking ridiculous. You need to take responsibility for what you’re doing. It’s not a secret in sports that guys are going to try to cheat, but it’s unfair to the guys who don’t. There aren’t a lot of guys getting busted for using stuff.”

In a nutshell, his argument against random testing by the promotion is the one with the best argument as to why there should be. Guys are going to try to cheat, but it’s unfair to the guys who don’t to not go to every length to make sure the competition is fair and guys aren’t penalized and losing only because they want to stay drug free.

The reality is that if UFC is to be considered a major sports organization, it’s going to have to implement stronger testing procedures. There is a positive of athletic commission testing in the sense that there is more credibility than if organizations test themselves. There are too many examples of superstar athletes in major sports who have had positive tests covered up, or been given tip-offs on what was supposed to be secret drug tests. That’s an inevitability of protecting star commodities. The commissions are far from perfect, but they are less likely then the organizations themselves to cover up for stars. If anything, we’ve seen that they test stars more frequently because they are in main events fights. But that testing isn’t enough, particularly when you throw in testosterone therapy, because then you should have to monitor that use regularly.

The average NFL player will be tested six or seven times during the season, all random although the players know it’ll be on game day. They are subject to testing off season as well. Unlike with the commission testing, where they call someone up and give them until the next day to go to a lab and get tested, giving you time to do remedies like green and white tea that lower testosterone levels, or use steroids that clear your system in a day or two and stall the test out. In most sports, they show up at your door and you have to give a specimen right then and there.

White didn’t come across well in response to Bellator champion Ben Askren, a 2008 Olympic team member, saying that White saying it would be impossible to implement random testing for all the fighters on his roster.

“The USOC random tests Olympic athletes in all sports. Dana saying testing his fighters would be impossible is a bold-faced lie. Just making a statement about a level playing field. I didn’t say it wouldn’t be expensive, just that it is not impossible.

White’s response was a personal insult, “When Ambien can’t sleep, it takes Ben Askren, the most boring fighter in MMA history. I would rather watch flies fuck. Ben makes Fitch look like Wanderlei Silva!”
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Nick Diaz, through lawyer Ross C. Goodman, submitted a formal response to his positive test for marijuana to the Nevada State Athletic commission.

Diaz tested positive in a urine test taken after his loss to Carlos Condit on 2/4.

Diaz’s defense is that a metabolite of marijuana, which Diaz tested positive for, is only prohibited before or during a fight where the effects of the drug are still active. They say the complaint against Diaz does not allege he was under the influence of marijuana while fighting, nor did the complaint have any reference to any evidence stating such.

The claim is also that the metabolite is not a drug, and he was not using them before or during the contest, and that they were in error in interpreting an inactive metabolite as an unapproved drug.

They note that the World Anti Doping Agency rules, which Nevada uses as its guidelines when it comes to illegal drugs, does not list marijuana metabolite.

The claim is Nevada’s commission should not be regulating an inactive metabolite that was legally consumed outside of competition. The argument is that marijuana is listed as something not allowed for use in competition, but permitted out of competition. They claim that categorization would mean that any effects of marijuana in regard to competition would subside within a few hours and would have no impact on the fight after that point in time.

They claimed Diaz had a policy of ceasing use of medicinal marijuana eight days before the fight, eliminating any safety concern for use within competition, even if the inactive metabolites may be stored in his fat tissues for weeks, or even months.

The claim is the Nevada State Athletic Commission has not adopted any rule that prohibits marijuana usage outside of competition.

Another claim by Nevada is that Diaz lied on his application to fight when asked to list drugs and over the counter medications or supplements he had been using in the last two weeks before the fight, and didn’t list marijuana, while later admitting he had used it up until ceasing eight days out.

Diaz’s lawyers response is that Diaz did not believe marijuana fell into the category of prescribed medication or over the counter medication. They blamed the lack of guidance in the form for his answering, “No,” to both of those questions. Without better guidelines, they can’t say Diaz wasn’t truthful on what he believed were the correct answers. They noted Diaz didn’t believe his usage of medical marijuana was as a prescription drug because his interpretation is a prescription drug is when a physician orders medication from a pharmacy. Under California law, physicians can recommend marijuana usage but it is illegal to prescribe marijuana for medicinal purposes.

He checked “No” if he had been taking any over the counter medications, because he believed that meant something sold at a pharmacy. The response claimed that if Nevada was looking for whether he was using medicinal marijuana, they should have asked on their form, “Are you a medical marijuana user.”

When Diaz said there was no serious medical condition he was suffering from, it was because his belief that his having ADD is not a serious medical condition, since he has lived with it most of his life. He believes something like AIDS or cancer would be a serious medical condition, and that serious means incapacitating, life-threatening or something resulting in emergency treatment or hospitalization.

Nevada claimed this question about a serious medical condition meant a medical situation as serious as defined by California law, which would cover any usage of marijuana for medical purposes. Diaz’s lawyer wrote that Diaz on the day before a welterweight championship fight may not be using that same definition.

Diaz’s defense also included a letter from Dr. Robert D. Sullivan of Sacramento who wrote that after a June 25, 2009, evaluation, he diagnosed Diaz having a serious medical condition that may benefit from use of medical cannabis due to Diaz’s ADHD condition, which he believed was unchanged. Sullivan also defended Diaz’s application by stating that he would think a question about a serious medical condition on the form would be something like cancer, a heart attack, a stroke, AIDS or a broken neck, not ADHD.

Diaz is currently on a temporary suspension by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for his failed test. A hearing will be held, with a date at this point not set. His attorneys are pushing for it to be at the 4/24 commissi9no meeting. The determination of the length of the suspension will be at the hearing. In two previous cases of fighters that twice failed marijuana tests in Nevada, each got one year suspensions. This was Diaz’s second failure in Nevada. If he can get the suspension lowered to six months, he would be eligible to fight after 8/4. That would enable UFC to book a rematch with Diaz vs. Carlos Condit for the interim welterweight title, the fight they had planned to do, in August, with the winner facing Georges St. Pierre to unify the belts. If the suspension goes nine months, it wouldn’t give them time to do the match and allow St. Pierre to defend his title on 11/17 against the winner in Montreal, which is his targeted return date.
The situation with both pro wrestling and MMA events in Oklahoma not being sanctioned because the commission claimed no money to regulate them ended just a few days after it started. The commission had told MMA and wrestling promoters that there would be no shows allowed after 3/31 because they wouldn’t have the money to fund them. Oklahoma currently taxes 4% of all PPV buys within the state. Some states, like Nevada, tax promoters of PPV events a percentage of all PPV revenue if the event comes from Nevada (with a cap of $50,000, so if UFC or a major boxing event runs a Nevada PPV, they just write a check for $50,000 to the commission as a routine manner, Nevada no longer taxes or regulates pro wrestling). But they don’t tax if a PPV comes from Australia and someone in Las Vegas buys it, like the Oklahoma law. UFC threatened to sue over it and the commission shut down because 64% of all their funding (roughly $200,000) comes from the 4% tax on MMA, boxing and pro wrestling PPV shows. 23% of the commission revenue comes from taxing live gates from smaller boxing, wrestling and MMA shows. Florida had similar provisions that have since been dropped. They are working on having the legislature agree to fund the $200,000 in the event the tax is dropped. Currently Senate Bill 1533 has been sponsored to provide for the funding, and if passed, the commission would get that funding and drop the tax, and thus the UFC would then drop its lawsuit against the commission. It’s been noted that over the years, WWE has paid more in taxes than UFC but never lobbied against the taxing. Currently the Oklahoma Attorney General’s office is working on whether they agree with UFC’s position that the tax is not constitutional. WWE officials had already spoken to local government officials on this subject since they have future shows, including a Raw taping later this year in Oklahoma City. WWE had been assured that there would be no problems holding the event even before the shut down.
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Autobiographies of both Jim Duggan and Paul Vachon were released over the past couple of week. The Duggan autobiography was ghost written by Scott Williams, who did previous autobiographies of Terry Funk (one of the best out there) and Bill Watts. Vachon was an amateur champion, the big younger brother of Mad Dog, and was a major star when the Vachon Brothers were AWA world tag team champions in the late 60s feuding with Bruiser & Crusher. Vachon later became the promoter of Grand Prix Wrestling in Montreal in the early 70s, which was one of those companies that got super hot quick, and then flamed out. It was where Andre the Giant got his first North American stardom as Giant Jean Ferre, feuding with Killer Kowalski and Don Leo Jonathan.
Sean McCorkle, who was recently cut by UFC, makes his pro wrestling debut on 4/20 in Onalaska, WI for the Freedom Pro Wrestling promotion. McCorkle, 35, is 6-7 and about 325 (he dieted and cut to 265 for UFC) pounds and in MMA used the nickname “Big Sexy.” I guess that means he’s either got to get a new nickname, or do an indies feud with Kevin Nash. He’s 16-3 in MMA, but was cut after losing to Stefan Struve and Christian Morecraft in UFC, which were his first two losses. He lost to Brian Heden on 3/31 in El Paso via second round knockout in a PPV main event in his last fight for the first-time out WMMA promotion.
The oldest pro wrestling footage believed to exist was found in the New Zealand Film Archives, featuring George Hackenschmidt. They have two reels of old nitrate film which can no longer be projected because of decomposition, lasting about 20 minutes. It is unclear the year, the country or the opponent, but the title on the film can reads “Winner is Hackenschmidt,” which means it is likely not either Frank Gotch match. Both Gotch vs. Hackenschmidt matches were filmed and shown at a later date in movie theaters during their time (both in the U.S. and also in Europe and Argentina), but no known copies of those films have been found. The opponent may have been a man named Rogers, which could make it a sold out 1908 match in London against Joe Rogers, which was a match known to have been filmed. Because the New Zealand Film Archives was alerted by a wrestling historian about the rarity of the film and being the oldest found pro wrestling clip in the world, they are working at restoring it. Before Hackenschmidt came to the U.S. and when he was champion in Europe, there was film of him dating back as early as 1904.
John Hollis of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution is working with Lex Luger on an autobiography. Apparently there are some amazing stories about how Luger was able to pass all the WWE drug tests from 1992-95 and keep his physique when nobody else could. And he was not clean during that period.
Not that this is any surprise, but Kurt Angle stated that he was forced to pull out of this coming weekend’s Olympic trials due to hamstring and knee injuries. His twitter said, “I trained extremely hard for a full year. I’m very disappointed. I want to thank all the fans for your support. You motivated me. I must focus on TNA and Lockdown PPV, which has always been my first priority. I hope to be able to put on the best performance I can. TNA has supported my Olympic dream since day one. He claimed he suffered a partially torn MCL which will take four to six months to recover with rehab. He tore his hamstring and three days later worked a good TV match with Jeff Hardy. So a knee injury that keeps him out four to six months and he worked the cage match a few days later with Hardy. “I’ve had prior knee injuries more serious than this and still won NCAA’s but I must put my job in TNA first.” This actually got a decent amount of mainstream press, even if the national AP story referred to Angle as a WWE wrestler. Well, there’s always 2016. Or maybe, thank God 2016 is four years away. ;I don’t think too many people think there was any chance he was going to the trials, He got a lot more pub mainstream in saying he’s wasn’t competing than Cael Sanderson, probably the best American wrestler of the past 35 years, who also this week said he wasn’t competing. Sanderson said with his job coaching at Penn State and raising his kids, he couldn’t devote the kind of effort needed to win a medal and didn’t want to take the spot away from someone who could. The deal is that there are plenty of people who could devote the effort, but none of them would have anywhere near the same chance of winning a medal.
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Hulk Hogan finally sold the Hogan Knows Best mansion in Bellaire, FL, this past week for $6.2 million, to Michael Galinski, the CEO of America II Electronics of St. Petersburg, who paid cash. Hogan has been trying to sell it given he and his wife together hardly need a house that big, and the expense of just running the house is enormous, running into six-figures annually, which is why it’s been difficult to sell. When he first put it on the market, he was asking $25 million several years ago and has been steadily dropping the price. He also needed to sell it for financial reasons and one would think with his share of the sale price that he’d now have a financial cushion he’s been lacking since the divorce and Graziano lawsuit. Hogan purchased the property for $2 million in 1992 with his then-wife Linda. They then tore down the home on the property and built the mansion on the property, which cost millions.
UFC got bad news in a Siena Research Institute poll of New York state residents of voting age. This is the third time Siena Research has polled residents on whether UFC should be legalized in the state and the results have actually gotten worse over the last year. In the first poll, one year ago, 39% thought it should be legal and 41% were opposed to it being legal and 19% were undecided. A poll taken this month had 38% thinking it should be legal, 52% said it shouldn’t and only 9% were undecided. It’s definitely a male vs. female thing, as men overall favor it being legalized 50-42%, while women oppose 60-26%. In the 18-34 age group, it’s 66-26% in favor of legalization, 35-49 is 52-38% opposed, 50-64 is 68-21% opposed and those older than 65 are 75-12% opposed. New York City is 48-42% opposed while the New York suburbs are 56-33% opposed and upstate New York is 54-35% opposed. Democrats favor it being banned 53-37% and Republicans are 49-37%. Those with college degrees are 53-36% in favor of it being banned. Those without are 51-39% opposed. Those with children are 48-43% in favor of it being banned, those without children are 54-35% in favor of it being banned. Interesting is that the only ethnic group in favor of it being legalized is Hispanics, with Whites the most opposed (56-33%) and black opposed at 51-42%. It’s opposed at every income level. Those unemployed favor it being legalized 46-40%, but those employed are 47-43% opposed while those retired are understandably, given the age, 72-18% opposed to it being legalized.
Tito Ortiz, knowing that his 7/7 fight with Forrest Griffin was the last fight on his contract and saying he’s retiring, said that he hoped he would get a front office job. My impression is there are some fighters, Chuck Liddell obviously, as well as Forrest Griffin and Stephan Bonnar, and probably Matt Hughes (Randy Couture had he never left would have fit into this category) where UFC is likely to give them jobs after their careers are over. Ortiz, I don’t know. Ortiz also talked about going to WWE, but at 37, with a fused back and neck, I don’t see that as being a real possibility. If he was ten years younger, I’d think he’d be a great candidate, but he’s very old to start learning and I don’t think his body could hold up to the pounding even if he was a quick learner. Ortiz claimed ESPN offered him a job as an analyst but he told Lorenzo Fertitta that he wanted to work for UFC instead.
B.J. Penn, 33, was brought to Sweden as a special guest this past weekend. When asked if he was going to fight again, he said that Dana White had asked him about coming back and he said that in his mind he’s still retired. He didn’t shut the door on fighting again, but said he had no interest in it right now and was more being a father to his kids and working on opening the UFC B.J. Penn gym in Oahu. He said he couldn’t see a scenario that would bring him back.
Chael Sonnen has just purchased a pizza restaurant in his home town of West Linn, OR, and renamed it “Mean Streets Pizza,” which is part of his promo routine of being a gangster from the mean streets of West Linn, OR (one of the most affluent towns in the entire state).
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Frank Shamrock got off his braces.
Sounds like there is a good chance middleweight champion Hector Lombard is leaving for UFC. Lombard’s period where he can only negotiate with Bellator ends at the end of the month and he’ll be a free agent, as Bellator doesn’t have a champions clause in their contract like UFC (where you can’t leave the company contractually to work for opposition if you hold a championship). Bjorn Rebney indicated Lombard was leaving by saying that if he goes, Alexander Shlemenko would fight someone for the vacant title, although not for a while. Shlemenko suffered assorted injuries including a broken collarbone and right hand injuries, including a possible broken thumb, when he was in an auto accident this past week when his car was hit by a car driven by a drunk driver. Shlemenko, who was the No. 1 contender for Lombard, would face the winner of the middleweight tournament going on this season, later in the year for the vacant title.
This is something different. Raphael Davis, who has fought of late for Bellator as well as M-1 Global, was arrested on 4/10 on four felony counts of insurance fraud. He was released the next day after posting $30,000 bond. Davis, whose job is as a firefighter, made workmen’s compensation claims for being injured and unable to work between 2008 and 2011, which didn’t look good because he was too hurt to be a firefighter, yet during that period he fought seven times and compiled a 6-1 record.
Bobby Lashley’s next fight will be against James Thompson, on 5/6 for the India-based Super Fight League promotion, in New Delhi. They air all their fights live on Youtube and are trying to become the UFC of India. They had a show last week in Chandigarh. The second show was half full, but they publicly claimed a sellout, and it was heavily papered at the local university. They actually wanted the building filled with upper class people because they were afraid of security problems from hooligan types that would purchase tickets. Apparently that’s a big issue in India, and one of the reasons the Ring Ka King shows actually paid for their audiences to attend as opposed to the other way around. That’s how a lot of televised events in India are done. They had triple the amount of security that you would have for a U.S. show, but there were no problems. The promotion right now claims to have $500,000 in sponsorship per show and a local TV deal that pays in the market. There is a ton of local media that covers the events, front page newspaper coverage and major television news coverage. The Royal family in the country of Dubai has supposedly offered the promotion $1 million to do a private show. The funny thing is the fighters from India are completely inexperienced when it comes to actual fighting. Their fighting style is actually to emulate what they see on pro wrestling on television because MMA has never been on TV there, with guys doing headlocks and chinlocks and other moves that don’t work in modern MMA. Some of the guys were thrilled as they found a store that makes tailor made suits for only $80. Flair should have gone there during his heyday and saved a fortune even with the airfare, except Flair hates India since he was on that horrible WWE tour many years back. There was also an out of the ring story. Denis Hallman, who fights for UFC, but was there with one of the American fighters, was sitting in a restaurant and a local tough guy recognized him from UFC and got in his face. Hallman asked the guy to go outside. The guy was described as 6-4 and 275 pounds but looked soft, looked to be around 20, a local tough guy who had a bunch of friends he appeared to be trying to impress. They went outside and the guy had second thoughts and Hallman told him to look him in the eye if he wanted to fight and the guy ended up backing down and telling Hallman that his father is a local magistrate. Hallman told him, “I don’t know your fucking father and by the time he gets here, you will be knocked out.” Everyone thought it was over as the guy and his friends left. Later that night, Paul Ivans, a judge who used to be a fighter in the U.S. and trained under Frank Shamrock, came down to eat. The guy showed up, this time with a lot more friends. Ivans, who is 6-3 and 250 pounds, but in condition, was by himself and was surrounded. The big guy hit him in the back of the head and Ivans turned around and dropped him with a punch and was pounding on him on the ground. He was lucky, because the guys friends were in shock seeing it and nobody jumped in to help him.
Yahoo Sports and other media outlets reported that fighter/announcer Frank Trigg (who had a short run in TNA) was fired by HDNet because of a story that he choked out his wife in front of his children in October and is going through a messy divorce, and because he was sleeping with assistant producer Amy Vaughn. The company found out about the former incident, and combined with the latter, let him go a few months back. Trigg’s publicist Melissa Ingram sent out a response, saying, “First and foremost, we would like to make it very clear that the reports are completely false. Although Frank would like to personally address every detail of what has been said, a court order prevents both Frank (and his ex-wife) from talking about their pending divorce in this light. Despite what appears to be an obvious breach by his ex-wife, Frank will continue to abide by the order instituted. More importantly, Frank has three young children whose interests are paramount to any form of this he-said she-said trial by public opinion. He asks that the public please respect his privacy and that of his children as they transition into their lives post-divorce.” Trigg later was on The MMA Hour, confirmed he had been fired because the station was afraid of potential bad publicity if the story broke. He said that important facts have been left out of the story and that he had never been arrested, charged or convicted of anything more than a speeding ticket, and said that there was a court order that he and his wife could not discuss the case but said she violated it.
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With Lashley fighting for Super Fight, Rolles Gracie has surfaced as the leading candidate for Fedor Emelianenko’s next fight, which would be in either June or August in St. Petersburg, Russia. Gracie, 6-1, said he was close to signing for the M-1 Global show. Gracie fought once in UFC, losing to Joey Beltran in a fight he gassed out quick in. He was cut after the loss. He just beat Bob Sapp on 2/11 in Indonesia.
A fighter worth paying attention to, not that he’s going to necessary be a champion or even ever fight in UFC, is XFC fighter Nick Newell, who stole the show at the 4/13 show in Jackson, TN that aired on HDNet. Newell, 26, was born with his left arm ending just below the elbow, so he has no left hand and almost no forearm. Yes, even with that handicap, he was a good high school wrestler and even wrestled at the small college level. While in college, his best friend and roommate was a huge pro wrestling fan, Brian Myers (now Curt Hawkins in WWE) and they both got into UFC in 2005 when they watched Ultimate Fighter airing after Raw that year. When Newell saw that, he became a fan, and started fighting a few years later on small shows in Massachusetts. He signed with XFC at the end of last year, and is now 7-0, fighting as a lightweight. He went back and forth with Chris Coggins in what was reported as one of the most exciting fights in XFC history, where Coggins seemed to have him locked in a choke three times but he managed to survive. He then came back in the third round with a takedown and punches and elbows from the top.
Lesnar is going to be wearing his UFC gear as opposed to his old pro wrestling gear, with the white board shorts and MMA gloves. He also cut a unique deal, as he is going to have sponsors on his trunks (which is why he comes out in a T-shirt all the time instead of shirtless, since the shirt has sponsor logos), and is the first performer Vince McMahon has ever allowed contractually to do so. We’re told Lesnar insisted on it. Will be interesting if this becomes a trend. With wrestlers appearing on television before large audiences 52 weeks a year, real estate space on their ring gear could probably make everyone a good deal of money, and big stars like Cena and Lesnar level could probably make a killing. WWE has always been negative on it, never selling sponsor space on the ring, on the turnbuckles, etc. like boxing, MMA and many other pro wrestling promotions do.
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This thread was created by T200 who is a stupid sonofabitch.
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In point of fact.
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Also, Fat Cat I remembered another pretty good bio. The Superstar Billy Graham autobiography is pretty damn good.
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T200 wrote:In point of fact.
You don't no nuthin'
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thanks for continuing this thread T.

Andy, what happened to your old account?
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T200 wrote:Also, Fat Cat I remembered another pretty good bio. The Superstar Billy Graham autobiography is pretty damn good.
Cool, I will check it out.
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Herv. Don't know what you're talking about. Why are you and FC patronizing T200 for posting uninteresting irrelevant reams of bullshit crap on this forum?
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Andy the Wrestling Observer is a subscriber only online newsletter. T2 is paying for it and kindly posts some of the things that are of interest to some of us here. The writers have particular insight in the world of boxing, mma, and professional wrestling among other things. I appreciate T2 posting it. That's all he's doing. I know! We're not used to people being thoughful and nice.


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Shapecharge wrote:Andy the Wrestling Observer is a subscriber only online newsletter. T2 is paying for it and kindly posts some of the things that are of interest to some of us here. The writers have particular insight in the world of boxing, mma, and professional wrestling among other things. I appreciate T2 posting it. That's all he's doing. I know! We're not used to people being thoughful and nice.
He called me a stupid sonofabitch once. For no reason except that he's a bigger stupid sonofabitch. Fuck him and the Wrestler Observer.
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Only one way to settle that...

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