If You Can't Win The Game...

[tonkadtx]

...move the goalposts.

http://callthecops.net/federal-judge-or ... ople-pass/

The academy class that started on July 29 is compromised of many people who did not pass basic entrance exams in previous years. A Federal Judge ordered the FDNY to alter basic entrance requirements to allow persons who were “unfairly denied” a job by low test scores or lack of physical fitness.

Now after 15% have dropped out and large number on the brink of dropping, the judge thinks basic training is “unfairly hard”.

Prepare for really shitty Fire Fighters in the future. Just like the NYPD. I now see 23 year old cops in NY twice as fat as me who look like they are about to have an asthma attack climbing subway stairs. A couple of my buddies on the job have told me there is no penalty for dropping out of runs in the Academy.

[Turdacious]

Wow. Not only did the judge shoot down the standards, but he said that your job can be done by people with a first grade education. Condensation doesn't get much more vicious than that.

[buckethead]

Condensation doesn't get much more vicious than that.

I'd say this is more vicious

[Turdacious]

Condensation doesn't get much more vicious than that.

I'd say this is more vicious

Dammit.

[DARTH]

...move the goalposts.

http://callthecops.net/federal-judge-or ... ople-pass/

The academy class that started on July 29 is compromised of many people who did not pass basic entrance exams in previous years. A Federal Judge ordered the FDNY to alter basic entrance requirements to allow persons who were “unfairly denied” a job by low test scores or lack of physical fitness.

Now after 15% have dropped out and large number on the brink of dropping, the judge thinks basic training is “unfairly hard”.

Prepare for really shitty Fire Fighters in the future. Just like the NYPD. I now see 23 year old cops in NY twice as fat as me who look like they are about to have an asthma attack climbing subway stairs. A couple of my buddies on the job have told me there is no penalty for dropping out of runs in the Academy.

About Firefighters, that sucks ass! Unlike what cops do,I can protect my family better than they but I can't fight fires or give medical aid like they can, not even close.

About cops, with the way things are going, good, let more of them become soft, doughnut eating pussies.

[baffled]

Serious question, and I certainly don't mean to put down the firefighters around here, but exactly how hard are the average fitness requirements?

One of my college roommates was easily the laziest guy I've ever met. A big, husky guy who was nicknamed "Beef", and did next to zero training... yet he claimed he was in the top quarter of his class.

re: Cops.

They're basically already first graders who never got over the wedgies they got repeatedly through continuation school. Thus, color me not surprised at all.

[tonkadtx]

Take this with a grain of salt because all of my info is oldish all my friends that are FDNY have been on the job for a while (I am middle aged).

When I took the physical in the 90's (pre-fatness and during my Rugby playing heyday) it involved 5 minutes on a stepmill wearing a 50 lbs vest, they monitored your pulse and if it broke 200 you failed. You got 5 or 10 minutes to rest and then there was a sledgehammer striking event, a pike pushing event, and a maze you had to crawl through in total darkness wearing a mask and air tank. All were timed and you went from one to the other. There may have been one other event I am forgetting. My number never got called for the academy.

My friends on the job said the academy is reasonably to very hard depending on the shape your in when you enter. Long runs around the island, sometimes really long runs from "The Rock" over the bridge into various firehouse into the city, calisthenics and group dumb bell work, lots of met-con (run up the stair, knock the door down, pull up a rolled hose via a rope - all without stopping). The classroom work was supposed to require a fair bit of studying as well.

[nafod]

Seems that gate was opened some time ago.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I took that physical in 94.
Four years earlier two fatties died taking the physical.
I'm not sure, but I think the one you described was made a little easier as one way of preventing deaths. I also had to be cleared by a Dr, and was checked by an EMT after finishing.
The toughest thing about that test was that it was eight events and they were all pass or fail. Fail one and you had no chance at a job.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

They also watered down the written in order to make these easier for a certain demographic.
Then illegally altered the requirements.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

"Make things easier"

[Cave Canem]

About cops, with the way things are going, good, let more of them become soft, doughnut eating pussies.

Have to disagree. It's the little doughy bastards/bitches that can't run you down that'll be quicker to draw and spray 15 rounds, hitting nothing but walls and bystanders.

[Cave Canem]

Take this with a grain of salt because all of my info is oldish all my friends that are FDNY have been on the job for a while (I am middle aged).

When I took the physical in the 90's (pre-fatness and during my Rugby playing heyday) it involved 5 minutes on a stepmill wearing a 50 lbs vest, they monitored your pulse and if it broke 200 you failed. You got 5 or 10 minutes to rest and then there was a sledgehammer striking event, a pike pushing event, and a maze you had to crawl through in total darkness wearing a mask and air tank. All were timed and you went from one to the other. There may have been one other event I am forgetting. My number never got called for the academy.

My friends on the job said the academy is reasonably to very hard depending on the shape your in when you enter. Long runs around the island, sometimes really long runs from "The Rock" over the bridge into various firehouse into the city, calisthenics and group dumb bell work, lots of met-con (run up the stair, knock the door down, pull up a rolled hose via a rope - all without stopping). The classroom work was supposed to require a fair bit of studying as well.

Back in my day (late 70s/early 80s), there were so many applicants for FDNY and requirements were so tight, that you had to get 100% on the written and the physical in order to get called. That was before any of the politically "correct" changes. The only exception was if you were a son of a firefighter. But usually those guys knew what was coming and they aced it.

[tonkadtx]

I took that physical in 94.
Four years earlier two fatties died taking the physical.
I'm not sure, but I think the one you described was made a little easier as one way of preventing deaths. I also had to be cleared by a Dr, and was checked by an EMT after finishing.
The toughest thing about that test was that it was eight events and they were all pass or fail. Fail one and you had no chance at a job.

I think you are probably right. We had to go through the medical first as well, and they checked our vitals before they let us leave. I got a perfect score on both physical and written (slightly watered down) and got five extra points for living in the boroughs and my list number still didn't come up. That's how tough it used to be.

The PD physical was a joke. Hold a Gun steady, drag a dummy 50 feet and run a mile and a half in 12 minutes (that's a slow jog). Plus there were people who failed that got passed to the next stage anyway because of "other" considerations.

[Kazuya Mishima]

The country's standards have been lowered to accomodate fat nigger women who are the sorriest motherfuckers on the planet...there, I said it.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I got a 97.5 on the written, aced the physical and moved to Brooklyn 14 months after I took the test. I fucked up and didn't file change of address on time so I was denied the 5 points. No job.
That five point thing was a way of helping blacks.
So was giving half a point for a less wrong than wrong answer.
Problem is, black people don't seem to want to run into burning buildings for a living.
New York City needs a draft.

[KingSchmaltzBagelHour]

That article is from a satire site.

[tonkadtx]

You're right, it appears I got trolled.

Reason I believed it.

http://nypost.com/2013/03/03/fatter-fdn ... s-failing/

So FDNY Commissioner Salvatore Cassano excluded applicants from the general population for this Academy class, limiting the pool to medics, whose ranks include a higher percentage of minorities than is found in firehouses.

This year’s class is the most diverse ever — 42 percent are black, Hispanic or Asian, and six are women.

But they were rated only on a written exam. In years past, applicants had to score high on both a written and a physical test.

About 870 medics took the written test and were ranked by score. But 300 were dropped after failing a cardiovascular stress test on a stair-climbing machine, sources said.

More flunked out when they failed to complete an obstacle course in time, failing at such tasks as dragging a hose and a weighted dummy, carrying equipment, and raising a ladder. Insiders note this Candidate Physical Ability Test is less challenging than the one required for graduation.

So instead of plucking the cream of the EMT crop, the department “had to keep going farther down the list,” a source said.

“On the open exam for the general public, only candidates who score a 97 are likely to be called,” said the source. “But because so many of this class flunked their StairMaster, [scores] went as low as 72.”

Veteran firefighters are fuming over the quality of the new recruits.

And this:

http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-re ... -hiring-pr

The DOJ is seeking relief for black and Latino candidates who were not hired or whose hiring was delayed because of the use of the written tests given in 1999 and 2002, scores from which were used to rank candidates for hiring. Because this test, which has no valid relationship to job skills, has a disparate impact on blacks and Latinos, its use by the FDNY is illegal under Title VII. Remedies will be decided by the court, but CCR believes they will include forcing the FDNY to hire affected black and Latino candidates and give them back pay and retroactive seniority. CCR also plans on formally intervening in the lawsuit on behalf of the Vulcans and the class of affected black candidates.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

You're right, it appears I got trolled.

Reason I believed it.

http://nypost.com/2013/03/03/fatter-fdn ... s-failing/

So FDNY Commissioner Salvatore Cassano excluded applicants from the general population for this Academy class, limiting the pool to medics, whose ranks include a higher percentage of minorities than is found in firehouses.

This year’s class is the most diverse ever — 42 percent are black, Hispanic or Asian, and six are women.

But they were rated only on a written exam. In years past, applicants had to score high on both a written and a physical test.

About 870 medics took the written test and were ranked by score. But 300 were dropped after failing a cardiovascular stress test on a stair-climbing machine, sources said.

More flunked out when they failed to complete an obstacle course in time, failing at such tasks as dragging a hose and a weighted dummy, carrying equipment, and raising a ladder. Insiders note this Candidate Physical Ability Test is less challenging than the one required for graduation.

So instead of plucking the cream of the EMT crop, the department “had to keep going farther down the list,” a source said.

“On the open exam for the general public, only candidates who score a 97 are likely to be called,” said the source. “But because so many of this class flunked their StairMaster, [scores] went as low as 72.”

Veteran firefighters are fuming over the quality of the new recruits.

And this:

http://ccrjustice.org/newsroom/press-re ... -hiring-pr

The DOJ is seeking relief for black and Latino candidates who were not hired or whose hiring was delayed because of the use of the written tests given in 1999 and 2002, scores from which were used to rank candidates for hiring. Because this test, which has no valid relationship to job skills, has a disparate impact on blacks and Latinos, its use by the FDNY is illegal under Title VII. Remedies will be decided by the court, but CCR believes they will include forcing the FDNY to hire affected black and Latino candidates and give them back pay and retroactive seniority. CCR also plans on formally intervening in the lawsuit on behalf of the Vulcans and the class of affected black candidates.

Now I'm getting pissed off again.

[DARTH]

About cops, with the way things are going, good, let more of them become soft, doughnut eating pussies.

Have to disagree. It's the little doughy bastards/bitches that can't run you down that'll be quicker to draw and spray 15 rounds, hitting nothing but walls and bystanders.

If things go nuts, I will be fighting back.

I out shot most of the BSO who went to the range I worked at and they were a fighting, hardcore police force back then.

And none of my guns have pig ass trigger pulls for dumbfucks.

And let one try to take me in close, snap, crackle, pop STOMP "Thanks for the new guns, asshole."

But yes it is cunts and fat fucks that tend to be the most abusive ass holes and the ones who have had me tempted to exploit their shit condition, obvious tactile stupidity and put their DT training to the test. They are the asshole I fear the most as in I will not accept an unlawful beating or other, so I fear one putting me in that situation in our current environment.

Things go nut though and they become a source of firearms and ammo.

So many cops brag about their fights but most time they are not fighting someone out to put them down and out, they are fighting someone trying to get away or make a show of not being a bitch. That badge, gun and dashcam make a difference.

Occasionally we have some that measure up to our EZ and have to fight someone out to destroy or kill them.

I've known many dudes who fought the cops and it's just as a I said, I only know two who were out to take the cop out. 1 got piled on by about 4 and a dog and got FUCKED UP!

The other knocked the cop the fuck out, pulled his badge off and we all passed it around at a party a few days later as we shaved his head (he had long hair) to make it harder for any piggy to ID him. He never got caught as far as I know. This was 93.

[knuckles]

Lets see...hmmm I could go on and on about how fucked up my dept is ...and the surrounding depts..I am doing everything possible to leave this job in five years...and when I do ...I wont miss it ,not even a little. Bunch of inbred fucks .You should have watched us test hose yesterday...3 guys .Cpt of the shift is uber firefighter.The job defines him .Without the job he would be what he is .A little mouthy nobody .No real leadership skills.I was a soldier a long time ago and I have led and have been led by men. He is a tool and would be eaten alive .2nd dude .Complete alcoholic .I mean he is a swollen pusball of booze.Giant swollen abdomen and no muscle anywhere else.It has started to effect his brain .Wet brain .He lost his balance and fell at least three times and I had to help him up...he also fell at the scene of a fatality later that evening.....I asked him ...are you about done? You cant do this job .Get help.....we are understaffed..the chief used to give us a hand with the five inch on these days...but he has the shakes so bad by ten am and the fact that we were gonna do work that day he left to .."Caulk his house".....Me? Im the guy that just wants to not be fucked with...Im also the guy that will tell you to get fucked if your gonna get people hurt..I stay to myself .Im not from around these parts and all these guys are related or grew up together...call me reluctant...and fucking defiant and a pain in the ass with a chip on his shoulder...I don't give a shit....I want to like this job...I do what I can . I would like to travel to New York and see some professionals at work..or whats left..

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I've got a cousin who is a cop in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. 71st Precint, still one of the tougher spots around here. He's a little chunky and out of shape, and at a family party some of the kids were busting his balls.
"How do you chase bad guys like that?"
"I don't have to chase anyone. I have a gun, a car and a radio. And I'm smarter than they are."
I can't really argue with that.

[Cave Canem]

I've got a cousin who is a cop in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. 71st Precint, still one of the tougher spots around here. He's a little chunky and out of shape, and at a family party some of the kids were busting his balls.
"How do you chase bad guys like that?"
"I don't have to chase anyone. I have a gun, a car and a radio. And I'm smarter than they are."
I can't really argue with that.

Plus in Crown Heights, they let the Hasidim do the heavy lifting.

[The Ginger Beard Man]

I've got a cousin who is a cop in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. 71st Precint, still one of the tougher spots around here. He's a little chunky and out of shape, and at a family party some of the kids were busting his balls.
"How do you chase bad guys like that?"
"I don't have to chase anyone. I have a gun, a car and a radio. And I'm smarter than they are."
I can't really argue with that.

Plus in Crown Heights, they let the Hasidim do the heavy lifting.

Lol. That was before his time.
Our uncle was an FDNY officer back then. Constant tension. The cops were perceived as supporting the Jews, and FD was seen as supporting the blacks. And of course the cops and fire weren't crazy about each other.

[DARTH]

I've got a cousin who is a cop in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. 71st Precint, still one of the tougher spots around here. He's a little chunky and out of shape, and at a family party some of the kids were busting his balls.
"How do you chase bad guys like that?"
"I don't have to chase anyone. I have a gun, a car and a radio. And I'm smarter than they are."
I can't really argue with that.

That attitude can get him killed. "I'm smarter than they are." and then one day one of those Troggs , who gives not a fuck about 10 minutes in front of him, waits around a corner and puts a few .32APS in his face and throat and he dies on a shitty stairwell.

My former Sensei was a patrol man in Ramapo for years and said that you did not want to underestimate anyone. He said that it was true that you would have many encounters with those who one can deem brainless but he pointed out that sometimes you are facing or chasing someone who has been surviving fucked up situations their whole life or just fuckers who lose it.

He killed a robbery suspect that tried to kill him from a window when he was in an alley. Said the guy could have easily got away but for whatever reason he tried to gun Dave down. Dave put a .38 into his brain from a draw as he did not have his gun in his hand when he saw the guy aiming for him. He said he had the same sensation doing that as he does going in with Irime, empty handed.

And then there are the stories of getting attacked by nuts he thought were hurt and was trying to help. One guy tried to stab him with a pair of scissors as Dave was chcking him for injuries and thought the guy was attacked or had a heart attack.