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Gene wrote: So far I've avoided up close and personal life and death conflicts so I cannot present a complete review of these CDs.

On the other hand, I think that Colonel Grossman discounts armed civilians totally, preferring to refer to us as "sheep" and the police and military as "sheepdogs".

However, with the advent of interactive "point-and-shoot" arcade and video games, there is significant concern that society is aping military conditioning, but without the vital safeguard of discipline. There is strong evidence to indicate that the indiscriminate civilian application of combat conditioning techniques as entertainment may be a factor in worldwide, skyrocketing violent crime rates, including a sevenfold increase in per capita aggravated assaults in America since 1956.

Jack wrote: Put your money where your big mouth is.

For all regions, teen firearms-related homicide offending rates climbed from the mid-1980's and through the early 1990's have subsequently fallen.

johno wrote:AFAIK, Grossman has no more experience with life/death conflict than you do, Gene. That would make him a "sheep." And a shit-talker. His views on "why kids kill" is unfounded, but sells well to some interest groups.

johno wrote:So we can address the "skyrocketing violent crime rate" since 1956 to point-and-shoot video games that didn't exist until the 1990's?
Personally, I blame Disney television shows like "Davy Crockett."

The guy is a self-promoting lightweight.

Richard began keeping a record of new ideas he had about ways to torture and kill people, writing down these new inspirations in small spiral reporter's notebook. He'd be sitting home watching TV, see something, write it down; the idea of using salt on the rapist came from a pirate movie he'd seen; the idea of using wet strips of rawhide and pouring hot water into people's noses also came from a film.

Richard even took inspiration from cartoons; especially the Road Runner with Wile E. Coyote; the use of heavy weights, fires, booby traps, throwing people out of windows, all came from Road Runner cartoons. He also found inspiration for mayhem and chaos from Popeye Cartoons.

This mark was very cagey. He knew that people were looking for him and moved with caution. For days Richard staked out his home...

In frustration Richard tried something he'd seen on a Bugs Bunny cartoon. He boldly went and knocked on the mark's door. He could see light through the peephole and he put his eye up against it. When saw the shadowy figure of the mark approach and reach the door, Richard put the barrel of the .38 up to the peephole, waited for the right moment, and fired, hitting the mark directly in the eye, instantly killing him

KMF wrote:Also, quality and quantity are far different. It's the random mass shootings that are relevant to Jacks (and grossman's) question. The decline in handgun violence is reflecting changes in drug and gang related violence.

There is strong evidence to indicate that the indiscriminate civilian application of combat conditioning techniques as entertainment may be a factor in worldwide, skyrocketing violent crime rates, including a sevenfold increase in per capita aggravated assaults in America since 1956.

Jack wrote:

clueless wrote:
I'm asking for evidence.

So you CLEARLY have not read Freakonomics. But you'll see that you're the fucking dumbass when you do - (in ref to your 90's commment)

johno wrote:

Jack wrote: Put your money where your big mouth is.

The burden of proof falls on the man who makes the claim. That means Grossman. Or you, since you are so invested.