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This was a great DVD by BJJ and aikido black belt Roy Dean. He shows the aikido wristlocks in a traditional manner and then gives lots of ideas about how to employ them in rolling. The presentation is pretty complete as he covers the material from a variety of angles.

If putting a little aikido into your BJJ or vice versa is something that you'd like to do, then this would be a great DVD to get.

I have a much longer review for those interested:
http://formosaneijia.com/2008/11/18/rev ... wristlock/

That's cool, I'll check out your review. I am interested in this video. I should point out that wristlocks are only allowed at the higher levels of BJJ.

Fat Cat wrote:That's cool, I'll check out your review. I am interested in this video. I should point out that wristlocks are only allowed at the higher levels of BJJ.

Not blue or purple belt level in tourneys? (Damn, there goes my secret gameplan.)

Check your local listings. I think it's only brown and black in ICBJJ rules. They're allowed in NAGA advanced.

Fat Cat wrote:Check your local listings. I think it's only brown and black in ICBJJ rules. They're allowed in NAGA advanced.

The only thing I've seen locally is "no small joint submissions allowed" but I thought that meant finger locks. Is the wrist considered under that rule too?

They should say specifically about wrists, the small joint caveat is usually fingers and toes.

Fat Cat wrote:They should say specifically about wrists, the small joint caveat is usually fingers and toes.

Aha! I didn't see anything about it in the local rules. Secret plan back in play.

If you get the DVD, i'd be curious as to what you think of it. Maybe you could dig up this thread and let us know?

Sure thing brah.

Okay, I have only seen the Aikido-BJJ fusion disc, but was a little disappointed with this product. At the very least, I got some rudimentary instruction on the basic five wristlocks, shiho-nage and kote-gaeshi, but they are shown in a very "Aikido flavored" way that makes them virtually unusable against an intelligent assailant. The only part of the disc that I could actually use was the applied grappling section, but frankly, I already knew all the wristlocks he shows and he doesn't offer any huge amount of detail to help me refine them. All in all I am certain that I will get some useful information from this disc (DVD 1 of 2) but it could have been much more thorough and there are better BJJ-appropriate videos of Oswaldo Alves for free on youtube.

Fat Cat,
Yeah, the beginning presentation was all aikido format with no closeups. I really felt that the closeups would have helped a great deal.

Sometimes looking at the disc I wonder if it's as much an intro to BJJ for aikido guys as vice versa. This is one aspect of cross-over material -- which side do you tailor it for? I think that's why Dave Camarillo picked introducing judo to BJJ guys instead of the other way around. You'll get even more of that flavor on the last disc when Roy goes to the aikido school for the seminars.

I've talked with Roy in emails and after that exchange, I would recommend watching both discs all the way through in one sitting if you can. He tries to tell a story with the presentation and the overall package may make more sense that way.

Dave Chesser wrote:Yeah, the beginning presentation was all aikido format with no closeups. I really felt that the closeups would have helped a great deal.

Yeah, I remembered you saying that in your review and I was thinking, "fuck that I don't need closeups, a decent martial artist should have eyes for subtleties." But then in watching it, I could hardly distinguish between nikkyo and gokyo until I went back and watched them side by side, and then tried them out. So yes, a couple of zooms would have helped greatly, and I say this as someone with plenty of experience in applying wristlocks in sparring.

Dave Chesser wrote:Sometimes looking at the disc I wonder if it's as much an intro to BJJ for aikido guys as vice versa.

Yes, and sadly, aikido people tend to be very low level MAers.

Dave Chesser wrote:You'll get even more of that flavor on the last disc when Roy goes to the aikido school for the seminars.

That's a pity. Still, it's not worthless, and I liked his little discussion on jiujitsu in the beginning where he talks about getting smoked by a decent grappler after years of aikido.

Next time your near DC, come see us for some wristlocking/destroying fun.

Never try Aikido for real, Freinds dont let freinds do Aikido.
Aikido was created to keep Fags out of Aiki Jujutsu classes.

Merry X-mass!

I dunno, I see a lot of garbage advertised as aikijujutsu, but I do think that the Icho-yama and Daito stuff that I have on Explosive Aikijujutsu (Goldberg, Lau and Ibarra) was better and more realistic than the Aikido based stuff Roy was showing. That said, the BJJ based wristlocks Roy shows were the best of the lot, in that he actually controls and immobilizes his opponent before applying the lock. There are plenty of Polynesians with wrists as thick as your upper arm and some of the aikido based stuff like the kote-gaeshi just made me wince at the unlikelihood of it all. I'll go so far as to say that will never, ever happen like that.

EDIT: And merry Christmas to you Darth, have a great one with your boys.

Fat Cat wrote:I dunno, I see a lot of garbage advertised as aikijujutsu, but I do think that the Icho-yama and Daito stuff that I have on Explosive Aikijujutsu (Goldberg, Lau and Ibarra) was better and more realistic than the Aikido based stuff Roy was showing. That said, the BJJ based wristlocks Roy shows were the best of the lot, in that he actually controls and immobilizes his opponent before applying the lock. There are plenty of Polynesians with wrists as thick as your upper arm and some of the aikido based stuff like the kote-gaeshi just made me wince at the unlikelihood of it all. I'll go so far as to say that will never, ever happen like that.

EDIT: And merry Christmas to you Darth, have a great one with your boys.

THX Cat, we had a good one.

You bring up a good point about Kote Giash and thick wrist bastards, but any technique has caveats depending upon the target.
Not every technique you try on the mats works everytime, thats why you train hard, technique gets jammed go with another and so on.
Now there are a few "Bail outs" for when a Kote Giash does not work and the guy stiff wrist you, like pushing his wrist/ forearm/elbow down towards about 3" inches to the 5 O'Clock of his same side foot. It can dump him on the ground so you can Moonstomp his face and/or ribs.

Another problem with how lots of people do Kote Giash is they try to do it with their hands, arms and shoulders and dont use the power from their waist and legs. Man when you do it for real you snap your hips into it like a Shotokan Reverse punch, you put all of you into their wrist.