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Well done, all of you!
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Given how many of you are on BMackWatch, I'm a little surprised that none of you thought this was newsworthy last month.

BMack throws Progenex under the bus to (surprise!) promote a different line of supplements:

http://www.iamunscared.com/protein-wars ... s-so-easy/

Does this signify unrest, or is Progenex on the way out?
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WildGorillaMan wrote:Given how many of you are on BMackWatch, I'm a little surprised that none of you thought this was newsworthy last month.

BMack throws Progenex under the bus to (surprise!) promote a different line of supplements:

http://www.iamunscared.com/protein-wars ... s-so-easy/

Does this signify unrest, or is Progenex on the way out?
And the winner for most obvious statement of the day goes to BMacknFagz for this effort
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WildGorillaMan wrote:Given how many of you are on BMackWatch, I'm a little surprised that none of you thought this was newsworthy last month.

BMack throws Progenex under the bus to (surprise!) promote a different line of supplements:

http://www.iamunscared.com/protein-wars ... s-so-easy/

Does this signify unrest, or is Progenex on the way out?
Progenex “Recovery” formula does not have any amino acids in it.
He actually just said that whey DOESN'T have amino acids in it in that blog post. Retarded. Guess he's never looked at the label for the amino acid breakdown of protein powders before...cuz PROTEIN is made of AMINO ACIDS, duh. Adding extra amino acids to a @Fer-owned whey protein does not negate the presence of amino acids in other whey proteins, guy.

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WildGorillaMan wrote:Given how many of you are on BMackWatch, I'm a little surprised that none of you thought this was newsworthy last month.

BMack throws Progenex under the bus to (surprise!) promote a different line of supplements:

http://www.iamunscared.com/protein-wars ... s-so-easy/

Does this signify unrest, or is Progenex on the way out?
In all fairness he makes a few good points there about Progenex that most of us already knew, but the sheeple didn't think of because they are too busy sucking @fit cock to determine shit for themselves. Regardless, he is an idiot for his nice little amino acid fuckup.

And as far as the Doyle thing at Iowa goes. Doyle is well-respected, he has a history of producing beasts out of skinny ass kids, but according to reports the entire S&C staff was present at those workouts. The blame will ultimately fall on him.

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WildGorillaMan wrote:Given how many of you are on BMackWatch, I'm a little surprised that none of you thought this was newsworthy last month.
http://irongarmx.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.p ... ed#p543642

I stand corrected, this link was posted last month. Thanks to the Team Gorilla Girl who PM'ed me the link.
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And as far as the Doyle thing at Iowa goes. Doyle is well-respected, he has a history of producing beasts out of skinny ass kids, but according to reports the entire S&C staff was present at those workouts. The blame will ultimately fall on him.

Last season's results were a disappointment for the Iowa faithful. The weight room is where champions are made. The S&C staff either was told to or took it upon themselves to make a difference towards next season. Obviously, the results of the recent workouts were not what was expected. But, you have to wonder just what was expected from those sessions?
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Dan Martin wrote:
Jay wrote:
And as far as the Doyle thing at Iowa goes. Doyle is well-respected, he has a history of producing beasts out of skinny ass kids, but according to reports the entire S&C staff was present at those workouts. The blame will ultimately fall on him.

Last season's results were a disappointment for the Iowa faithful. The weight room is where champions are made. The S&C staff either was told to or took it upon themselves to make a difference towards next season. Obviously, the results of the recent workouts were not what was expected. But, you have to wonder just what was expected from those sessions?
Welbourn actually had a pretty good blog about this:

http://talktomejohnnie.com/football/iow ... all-rhabdo

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All of this reminds me of the Robby Benson movie "One on One" where the coach tries to run off Robby Benson's character with punitive conditioning drills.
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What could be better for football players than squatting 245 pounds 100 times against a stopwatch???? They must be following linear periodization. In 28 weeks, they will be maxing (well, those who aren't still in the hospital).

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Progenex “Recovery” formula does not have any amino acids in it.
THE FUCK?? I BOUGHT 10 POUNDS OF PROTEIN POWDER WITHOUT AMINO ACIDS???

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protobuilder wrote:What could be better for football players than squatting 245 pounds 100 times against a stopwatch???? They must be following linear periodization. In 28 weeks, they will be maxing (well, those who aren't still in the hospital.

Thirteen ended up in the hospital. There's probably twice that many who were right on the edge their ownselves. Of those 13, it will be interesting to see what sort of "contribution" they will make to the team next fall.
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Dan Martin wrote:
protobuilder wrote:What could be better for football players than squatting 245 pounds 100 times against a stopwatch???? They must be following linear periodization. In 28 weeks, they will be maxing (well, those who aren't still in the hospital.

Thirteen ended up in the hospital. There's probably twice that many who were right on the edge their ownselves. Of those 13, it will be interesting to see what sort of "contribution" they will make to the team next fall.
After such an awesome workout, surely their performance will increase significantly!
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protobuilder wrote:
Dan Martin wrote:
protobuilder wrote:What could be better for football players than squatting 245 pounds 100 times against a stopwatch???? They must be following linear periodization. In 28 weeks, they will be maxing (well, those who aren't still in the hospital.

Thirteen ended up in the hospital. There's probably twice that many who were right on the edge their ownselves. Of those 13, it will be interesting to see what sort of "contribution" they will make to the team next fall.
After such an awesome workout, surely their performance will increase significantly!

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And, lets face it, the Strength & Conditioning community is not a sub-set of Mensa.
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LULZ at John Welbourne making money off the @F name and then blatantly dissing it:
http://talktomejohnnie.com/diet/what-ar ... aining-for
A few things struck me in your question, so lets start there. The first thing you tell me is, you have been doing CrossFit for 2 years. CrossFit is a training program predicated on increased work capacity. Their wheelhouse is muscular endurance and movements to failure. It is very hard to build explosive athletes when the majority of training lays in testing lactic acid threshold and destruction of your body. Check out the network of CrossFitters on Facebook on any given day and read their training comments…“Totally, destroyed myself today. Awesome!”.

The next thing you tell me is you are very lean. From my experience, lean is just a cool way to say you are skinny. If you have low body fat and a ton of lean body mass words like jacked and rocked up find there way into the mix.

In the next sentence, you confirm you are skinny and not as strong as you wish. But you know this and in an effort to increase your strength and explosive ability you go on a strict Zone/Paleo diet of roughly 1900 calories.

1900 calories?! That is less than 10 calories per pound of body weight. We know if you are doing anything that includes metabolic conditioning you need at least 15-17 calories just to maintain your size.

Just for reference, my girlfriend is 123 lbs, trains 5 days a week and squats over 2 x body weight and she eats around 1800 calories.

Your starvation strategy results in a 20 lbs weight loss and a loss of strength and power.

Crazy.

And your next question is…should you eat more?

Then finally, we get to your goals of gaining muscle without losing endurance.

1. Yes…eat more. The only thing I want you to count is protein; at least one gram per pound of body weight.
2. If you want an easy to remember way to measure your food…count it in pounds. “How many pounds of meat did I eat today?”. Simple.
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...If you want to stop looking like a skinny @Fer, stop doing all the stupid shite that @Fers do!

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Wellbourne is just doing the same shit that everybody's boys Everett and Rob Wolff used to do. Hypocrisy is an @Fit higher-up essential quality.
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Dan Martin wrote: The weight room is where champions are made.

A huge mistake IMHO. The two things most important for greatness, talent and desire, are not significantly impacted by the weight room. But you can damage those things very easily in the weight room and i would argue Iowa S+C did just that. In the weight room first do no harm. Second, fix the harm somebody else did(from bad or nonexistent technique to muscle imbalances to complete lack of squatting ability) Third, help them get stronger and that is the most important thing for both bigger and stronger. Spare me your skinny strenght BS. You do not need the programming of Robert Roman to get a 20 year old college kid stronger. It has more to do with consistency than anything else.

If my kid was in that progam me and the coach would be behind closed doors right now and we would be loading the U-haul right afterwards.
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powerlifter54 wrote:If my kid was in that progam me and the coach would be behind closed doors right now and we would be loading the U-haul right afterwards.
But they were just following Couch's advice and breaking them down in order to build them back up!
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wow - I saw this too and wanted to chat it up on the CF site to get some reactions. The workout sounds a little CF-ish, huh? Apparently Chris Doyle is in the minority of college strength coaches who don't believe in CF methods.
Some guy on the @Fit boards. The kool-aid is strong with this one. Minority?!

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tzg wrote:
wow - I saw this too and wanted to chat it up on the CF site to get some reactions. The workout sounds a little CF-ish, huh? Apparently Chris Doyle is in the minority of college strength coaches who don't believe in CF methods.
Some guy on the @Fit boards. The kool-aid is strong with this one. Minority?!
I want to punch that poster in the face.


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tzg wrote:
wow - I saw this too and wanted to chat it up on the CF site to get some reactions. The workout sounds a little CF-ish, huh? Apparently Chris Doyle is in the minority of college strength coaches who don't believe in CF methods.
Some guy on the @Fit boards. The kool-aid is strong with this one. Minority?!
Yeah if he WERE a crossfit trainer, he would've superset those squats with GHR situps for maximum rhabdo.
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Welbourn actually had a pretty good blog about this:

http://talktomejohnnie.com/football/iow ... all-rhabdo
I don't know about that.

He makes some rather hyperbolic statements about football players implying that they get rhabdo on a regular basis. And then he blames their condition on their eating "inflammatory food" and drinking too much beer. He's in @fit brand protection mode and making a lot of excuses.

God forbid he just break free altogether. For fuck's sake he has the following to do it.

I thought the blog post was a cop-out.

But, you can't blame him, I guess, with the Reebok launch underway, there's a lot more money to be made by giving people just enough information and bravado to permanently fuck themselves up.

I was thinking today that all the "strength bias" and smart programming boxes could just create a commonly used phrase to identify themselves, it might be easier to leave and still maintain their "community". Or, they could just do what a lot of us did and just leave period. Hasn't hurt my business one bit.
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syaigh wrote:
Jay wrote:
Welbourn actually had a pretty good blog about this:

http://talktomejohnnie.com/football/iow ... all-rhabdo
I don't know about that.

He makes some rather hyperbolic statements about football players implying that they get rhabdo on a regular basis. And then he blames their condition on their eating "inflammatory food" and drinking too much beer. He's in @fit brand protection mode and making a lot of excuses.

God forbid he just break free altogether. For fuck's sake he has the following to do it.

I thought the blog post was a cop-out.

But, you can't blame him, I guess, with the Reebok launch underway, there's a lot more money to be made by giving people just enough information and bravado to permanently fuck themselves up.

I was thinking today that all the "strength bias" and smart programming boxes could just create a commonly used phrase to identify themselves, it might be easier to leave and still maintain their "community". Or, they could just do what a lot of us did and just leave period. Hasn't hurt my business one bit.
I don't blame him at all for that blog post, and I can also tell you that I know of a few athletes who have gotten rhabdo from offseason workouts, but at the time we didn't know what it was called other than "dude I am pissing brown??"

There are some old-school coaches who beat the fuck out of you to condition you. In my senior year of high school I came in weighing 190 and ended up at 170 at the end of summer camp. And I wasn't chubby at 190. We had 2 players that year that had to be hospitalized, but back then that wasn't an issue. Now it would be all over the local news.

I expect university strength coaches to know better, and especially NFL strength coaches.

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Jay wrote: I don't blame him at all for that blog post, and I can also tell you that I know of a few athletes who have gotten rhabdo from offseason workouts, but at the time we didn't know what it was called other than "dude I am pissing brown??"

There are some old-school coaches who beat the fuck out of you to condition you. In my senior year of high school I came in weighing 190 and ended up at 170 at the end of summer camp. And I wasn't chubby at 190. We had 2 players that year that had to be hospitalized, but back then that wasn't an issue. Now it would be all over the local news.

I expect university strength coaches to know better, and especially NFL strength coaches.
Well, I understand the coaches beating the shit out of players. We lose a few players every year to overzealous coaches who don't believe in letting kids drink water or recover from their impending heat stroke.

I got rhabdo myself way before @fit from working out with someone who had drastically overestimated my abilities.

It just shouldn't happen, period, whether its the result of bad programming or strength coaches who don't understand the concept of adaptation. I've worked with quite a few high school athletes who have been all but destroyed by idiot coaches.

And in the end, it all comes down to this:

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