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Shafman wrote:couch apparently loved to tell a story about a few Crossfitting seals, Eddie Lugo being one of them, being dropped by some Iraqi village. The XF Seals then proceeded to rapidly outpace the rest of the group, got into the village and created massive mayhem, and slaughtering insurgents in large numbers.

There are apparently a lot of ethnic epithet's attached to this story.

IGxers, of course, are not shocked at the use of such phrases, so, we applaud him for this, as well as being a super successful functioning alchoholic and chronic afficionado, as well at tapping the asses of as many cultists as will let him. And getting his arm fucking bit by that crazy chick.

LOL

When you put it like that Glassman is kind of cool.

Ed Zachary wrote:

Shafman wrote:couch apparently loved to tell a story about a few Crossfitting seals, Eddie Lugo being one of them, being dropped by some Iraqi village. The XF Seals then proceeded to rapidly outpace the rest of the group, got into the village and created massive mayhem, and slaughtering insurgents in large numbers.

There are apparently a lot of ethnic epithet's attached to this story.

IGxers, of course, are not shocked at the use of such phrases, so, we applaud him for this, as well as being a super successful functioning alchoholic and chronic afficionado, as well at tapping the asses of as many cultists as will let him. And getting his arm fucking bit by that crazy chick.

LOL

When you put it like that Glassman is kind of cool.

Please tell me there's video of him saying "backward ass jawas".

Ed Zachary wrote:

Shafman wrote:couch apparently loved to tell a story about a few Crossfitting seals, Eddie Lugo being one of them, being dropped by some Iraqi village. The XF Seals then proceeded to rapidly outpace the rest of the group, got into the village and created massive mayhem, and slaughtering insurgents in large numbers.

There are apparently a lot of ethnic epithet's attached to this story.

IGxers, of course, are not shocked at the use of such phrases, so, we applaud him for this, as well as being a super successful functioning alchoholic and chronic afficionado, as well at tapping the asses of as many cultists as will let him. And getting his arm fucking bit by that crazy chick.

LOL

When you put it like that Glassman is kind of cool.

Couch only takes heat for his unapologetic fitness hucksterism. Take that away and we'd all spend a weekend snorting coke off that fine Andro booty with our homie.

From that other couch thread some same o'.

http://performancemenu.com/forum/showth ... 8&page=264






BTW, what's that with a chick biting Couch?

Here’s a question that is not meant to be the typical CF bashing this thread is (justifiably) famous for. I’m just curious, and would like to know if anyone has any reliable information. Has anyone who is recognized as being good at CF (a “firebreather”) ever demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level in another sport? I’m not talking about someone who was successful at gymnastics or soccer or track and field before gaining some notoriety in CF. I mean, has anyone ever started with CF and then shown ability elsewhere? The concept of “good” at either CF or some other activity is subjective, so interpret it however you will. But I’m thinking along the lines of a CF games finalist who has finished in the top 10% of some contest with hundreds of competitors, or a more exclusive contest that is recognized as a major championship.

I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now, and at some (Indoor Rowing, Tower Running, various road races) I see whole teams of CFers. With a few exceptions, these people finish well below the mean. I’m not putting them down, since they just seem to be out to have a good time and hang out with their buddies, and they aren’t getting in anybody’s face with their “eliteness”. But what got me thinking was looking at results from this year’s CRASH-B regatta (the indoor rowing world championship). Scan through these results and see how those who “do what you do nearly as well as you” really do:

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=1

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=2

The guy at #43 has a pretty solid time, decent but not remarkable by college standards. Is he considered a “firebreather”? I recognize the name at #87, and again a respectable time, but in no way exceptional, especially if the guy tips the scales at more than 200lbs. Then at #183, the world’s best CFer. I don’t know this guy, I’m not trying to put him down, I’m sure he’s demonstrated athleticism in many other ways. But I am qualified to say that 2K erg time is just plain slow. I’ve coached several women smaller than him to faster times, and that score would land him in the third novice eight of any competitive men’s team. And there are 4-5 CFers on the list who are slower still, and the women’s results are pretty much the same.

I am not “calling out” these people or trying to insult them. I’m sure they work very hard at what they do. I’m just pointing out that their rowing ability is far below the standard of people who specialize in rowing. But that is hardly a surprise to anyone who isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid. Incidentally, I’ve coached plenty of non-rowing specialists to respectable 2K times with methods that don’t include bouncing an Olympic bar for time (i.e., "dead lifts"), bastardized calisthenics, flailing kettlebells, or Tabata anything.

Although I'm an extremely well liked newb around here, as a former competitive rower I feel like I can answer.

This is exactly one of the main beefs ppl around here and elsewhere have with XF. Nobody's ever seen anybody who did XF and then became good at a real sport. As you say, they sometimes manage to draw in C class washed up pros, but that's it.

Recently I had a flame war over at rosstraining.com with a former SEAL (I'm that kind of asshole) who now tries to start a business with an XF coach/online consultant thing. Guy was writing home to the internet about his accomplishments. I checked his indoor rowing times (C2 times are always comparable, different enviroment notwithstanding) and in my country his PR would land him 5th place in the female up to 14 years old class. Conclusion: XF even fucks up ppl who previously must have been very good and makes a SEAL row slower than Ingrid, Gerda, Jutta and Karin who aren't even allowed to ride a moped or stay out past 10pm.

Jag Panzer wrote:Couch only takes heat for his unapologetic fitness hucksterism. Take that away and we'd all spend a weekend snorting coke off that fine Andro booty with our homie.

Couch is the worst case of unidentical identity since Hitler. No, actually, he's the worst case ever, Hitler at least went paleo.

raptor wrote:Recently I had a flame war over at rosstraining.com with a former SEAL

Rough estimate, aren't there something like 8-9 million former SEALs because every discussion board seems to have four or five?

I have yet to meet a seal here in Sweden,plenty of elk though...

Terry B. wrote:

raptor wrote:Recently I had a flame war over at rosstraining.com with a former SEAL

Rough estimate, aren't there something like 8-9 million former SEALs because every discussion board seems to have four or five?

Guy seemed legit, judging from his website. Only thing that with a stretch could be viewed as a little murky was if he was an actual SEAL or "just" passed BUD/s, which I learned is a different thing. Anyways, point is, the guy once was in super shape (a total dick nonetheless, if you ask me, btw) and now as an XFer rows slower than a female child. Quite the data point indeed.

On my harddrive I found the sceenshot I took back then at the height mutual hysterics:



Looking over it again I'm not sure if that aren't his goals and not PRs and he isn't even at some girl #5 level yet.

Just googeled around once again for results from countries that hold 1.000m races for sub 15 kids: http://www.rowingindoors.ch/indoors/res ... 1_FU15.pdf
Debora and Vivienne e.g. won the 2011 Swiss indoor rowing championship in the female U15 class ex aequo with a time of 3:47. My guess is they don't crossfit.

raptor wrote:

LULZ. The run times wouldn't get you a medal at a junior high track meet. Pullups are good (for kipping). Ring MUs are terrible. The vert, however, is beyond elite!

He's obviously not played any sports-or even trained with other people-or he would've lied about those numbers.

Mike Caviston wrote:Here’s a question that is not meant to be the typical CF bashing this thread is (justifiably) famous for. I’m just curious, and would like to know if anyone has any reliable information. Has anyone who is recognized as being good at CF (a “firebreather”) ever demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level in another sport? I’m not talking about someone who was successful at gymnastics or soccer or track and field before gaining some notoriety in CF. I mean, has anyone ever started with CF and then shown ability elsewhere? The concept of “good” at either CF or some other activity is subjective, so interpret it however you will. But I’m thinking along the lines of a CF games finalist who has finished in the top 10% of some contest with hundreds of competitors, or a more exclusive contest that is recognized as a major championship.

I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now, and at some (Indoor Rowing, Tower Running, various road races) I see whole teams of CFers. With a few exceptions, these people finish well below the mean. I’m not putting them down, since they just seem to be out to have a good time and hang out with their buddies, and they aren’t getting in anybody’s face with their “eliteness”. But what got me thinking was looking at results from this year’s CRASH-B regatta (the indoor rowing world championship). Scan through these results and see how those who “do what you do nearly as well as you” really do:

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=1

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=2

The guy at #43 has a pretty solid time, decent but not remarkable by college standards. Is he considered a “firebreather”? I recognize the name at #87, and again a respectable time, but in no way exceptional, especially if the guy tips the scales at more than 200lbs. Then at #183, the world’s best CFer. I don’t know this guy, I’m not trying to put him down, I’m sure he’s demonstrated athleticism in many other ways. But I am qualified to say that 2K erg time is just plain slow. I’ve coached several women smaller than him to faster times, and that score would land him in the third novice eight of any competitive men’s team. And there are 4-5 CFers on the list who are slower still, and the women’s results are pretty much the same.

I am not “calling out” these people or trying to insult them. I’m sure they work very hard at what they do. I’m just pointing out that their rowing ability is far below the standard of people who specialize in rowing. But that is hardly a surprise to anyone who isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid. Incidentally, I’ve coached plenty of non-rowing specialists to respectable 2K times with methods that don’t include bouncing an Olympic bar for time (i.e., "dead lifts"), bastardized calisthenics, flailing kettlebells, or Tabata anything.

The thing I love most about Mr. Caviston is that way he drops bombs with style and aplomb, in much the same way that Plato himself did, following the Socratic method: by asking a rhetorical question where he damn well knows the answer, and it's up to his straight-man Glaucon (that's one of us, or all of us, by the way) to agree.

Socrates: Is it not the case, then, that contrary to their protestations of eeleetness that those who would be firebreathers of @fit do then demonstrate times in footraces that are slower than that of a mere youth? From that, would we not conclude that such @fitters are not as eeleet as they might believe?

Glaucon: Ha! Well, a reasonable man would conclude that to be so, Socrates!

Ironicaly, CrossFitters don't even dominate CrossFit.

Same/same?

Since we're on the topic, let's not forget this gem of a quote from couch:

Develop the capacity of a novice 800-meter track athlete, gymnast, and weightlifter, and you'll be fitter than any world-class runner, gymnast, or weightlifter."

The obvious issue here is that couch's people aren't even reaching the capacity of novices, as is evidenced above.

While we're at it, somebody should post times/links to where eleeeet @Fers lifts/times would compare to children weightlifters and track athletes. It obviously doesn't need to be done for gymnastics, since most @Fers can't even do handstands away from a wall for longer than it takes to snap a pic...and every other "gymnastic" thing they do (muscle-ups, for one) lacks every single characteristic that gymnasts train for.

Caviston:




Quacky:




Same purpose, different tools, different applications.

Mike Caviston wrote: I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now

mike,

now that you are competing at multiple sports--rowing, running, strongman(?)--it might be interesting to see what your training looks like.

pls consider posting a log here. i would be interested to see it, as would others, i am sure.

dead man walking wrote:

Mike Caviston wrote: I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now

mike,

now that you are competing at multiple sports--rowing, running, strongman(?)--it might be interesting to see what your training looks like.

pls consider posting a log here. i would be interested to see it, as would others, i am sure.

That'd be cool.

I'll third that one, the log would be a good one to look at.

Thanks for the interest; I’ll see what I can do.

Mike Caviston wrote:Thanks for the interest; I’ll see what I can do.

Love to see that, half of smart programming is following smarter programmers...

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Wait WHAT? Congrats on the retirement Jack! Its been a good career.

powerlifter54 wrote:

Mike Caviston wrote:Thanks for the interest; I’ll see what I can do.

Love to see that, half of smart programming is following smarter programmers...

PL54
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Congrats on your retirement, brother

Shit, congratulations Jack, outfuckinstanding!!!! (said the jarhead to the squid)

You've earned it, Jack. Thanks for your service.

What now?