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12-12-11 issue
Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping are going to be responsible on 1/28 for making Dana White look like a genius, or a gambler who took a needless risk on a trifecta play when UFC has its second prime time show on FOX.

The show, which airs in the 8-10 p.m. time slot coming from the United Center in Chicago, is headlined by Evans vs. Phil Davis in a five-round fight and will also have Sonnen vs. Mark Munoz and Bisping vs. Demian Maia (the latter expected to be announced at a press conference on 12/7 after press time) in three-round fights.

The winners of Evans vs. Davis and Sonnen vs. Munoz are scheduled to receive the next title shot at the light heavyweight and middleweight titles respectively. While originally there were going to be four matches on the show, with the main event potentially going five rounds, plus wanting extensive video features to get all six over, the decision was made to only have three matches in the two hours. In addition, one would expect significant promotion on the FOX show of the Georges St. Pierre vs. Nick Diaz fight the next Saturday. A great show with a big audience could give the company strong momentum going into what should be the biggest PPV match in more than a year.

The biggest question is why Sonnen is facing Munoz, if Bisping is also fighting on this show. It's the more attractive match-up by leaps and bounds to the public. We did a poll of the potential match-ups involving Sonnen, Munoz and Bisping, and 87% wanted Sonnen vs. Bisping. Bisping's interest level has peaked from Ultimate Fighter and his win over Jason Miller, plus people hate his guts at a huge level which is a major positive in selling a television fight. Plus, it's a no lose unless the fight sucks, and with those two, it probably wouldn't. And whoever wins can be built up for a major match with Anderson Silva.

While Bisping probably wouldn't draw on PPV like Sonnen for a match with Silva, he's still the second best option in the division (unless Dan Henderson moves down and even that is debatable) and could still challenge Silva viably for a major stadium show in either Brazil or the U.K. and draw on PPV based on the idea that Americans want to see Silva shut him up and the British will support their fighter going for a world title. Sonnen would be preferable because of interest in seeing he and Silva fight again dating back to their first fight in August where Sonnen became the first person to come close to beating Silva since he came to UFC, winning four rounds handily before being submitted in the fifth.

The top two matches were booked before Bisping vs. Miller took place (actually were booked a couple of weeks back), but with moving parts, when circumstances change you should roll with them and take the hot match. If Evans and Sonnen win, particularly if they both look impressive in doing so, and the show can do a 3.0 rating, you've accomplished every goal you can for a network show. If Bisping wins as well, then you've got another potential big money fight for later in the year. You've gotten an acceptable rating, even good since the key demos would come in strong enough at a 3.0 overall. You have a huge audience seeing the two challengers win to set up title matches on PPV. It's the perfect use of television given Zuffa's current marketplace.

But the risk is Evans and/or Sonnen could lose. Davis, the 2009 NCAA champion is a better wrestler than Evans in a sport where the better wrestler always has a chance. Plus, five rounds is uncharted water for Davis, but for Evans, he got rocked in the third round by both Quinton Jackson and Thiago Silva after out wrestling both for the first two rounds. There is a theory in fighting that if you beat a star you become a star, and that's often true but not always (case in point, when Manny Pacquiao beat Oscar De La Hoya, at the press conference, people were noting that De La Hoya's career was probably done, and now boxing lost its last draw, but Bob Arum, who sometimes says stupid things, in this case said that all that happened is now Pacquiao will become the draw De La Hoya was–which, given he was a 300,000 to 350,000 buy PPV guy coming in and De La Hoya was four times that, sounded ridiculous, but it turned out to be true in his case).

Right now UFC is in a position where most PPVs are going to do 225,000 to 310,000 buys. The only exceptions on the horizon are Georges St. Pierre vs. Nick Diaz, Junior Dos Santos' next title defense, whether it be with Alistair Overeem or Brock Lesnar (obviously Lesnar would make for a huge number if he beats Overeem, Overeem is uncharted but a knockout win over Lesnar should elevate him strongly), Jon Jones vs. Evans and Anderson Silva vs. Sonnen. Jones vs. Davis, unless Davis has a great showing and wows people at a level he never has before, is not going to do much out of that range. Silva vs. Munoz won't either, particularly when both have been training partners and nobody will believe Munoz can beat him. Silva vs. Maia if Maia beats Bisping won't get made unless it's the last of last resorts as their prior match was one of the worst title matches in UFC history and nobody will believe Maia has a chance. Based on his performance in the first fight, where couldn't come close to getting Silva to the ground, he doesn't stand much of a chance.

Munoz vs. Sonnen matches wrestlers. Like with Davis vs. Evans, Munoz is actually the higher caliber wrestler by credentials, being a former NCAA champion, who beat Sonnen when both were in college. But Sonnen's wrestling has looked better in his recent fights. Still, Munoz, while not having crisp stand-up, hits really hard and his ground and pound is some of the most brutal in the sport. It is a fight he can win. If Sonnen wins the title, there is logic in a Sonnen vs. Maia match because Maia submitted Sonnen on February 21, 2009.

If UFC can get good ratings for No. 1 contenders fights building a PPV, then everything is great regarding cohesion between FOX specials and PPV. UFC will always have fights with name guys for television at the level of the fights they have on this show. Exposing top contenders in front of the larger FOX audience is the best thing possible to build a PPV. Hopefully in the future such matches are more balanced, in the sense where business would be similar no matter who won. One person in the promotion estimated that if Davis, Munoz and Maia win, you could estimate 1.2 million buys which is about $26 million in lost revenue for 2012, which tells you the stakes of these gambles. If I had to estimate right now, and these are estimates on the conservative side, I'd say Jones vs. Evans at 750,000, Jones vs. Davis at 350,000, Silva vs. Sonnen at 800,000, Silva vs. Maia at 350,000, Silva vs. Bisping at 650,000 and Silva vs. Maia, the conservative estimate isn't far off that range.

Evans vs. Quinton Jackson (provided Machida wins the title) or Sonnen vs. Bisping which would be ideal situations because the risk would be minimal no matter what the result was. But evidently UFC had deadlines and couldn't wait and went with the best hand they could play at the time they had to play it.

If they can't get ratings on 1/28, then there are issues. If they need championship fights with marquee names to draw prime time ratings, at the least they will risk the viability of doing numbers with the 225,000 to 310,000 level fights over the long haul. If they have to put their best possible fights forward, say a Dos Santos vs. Lesnar fight if that materializes, then they teach the audience the big fight is on FOX and PPV is secondary, and that will kill PPV. Given the current business climate, with a fixed television deal that doesn't pay them anywhere close to enough on its own to be profitable without substantial PPV revenue (and a contract where that isn't going to change until 2019 at the earliest), it's imperative TV is the building block for PPV until that time or at least until there are revenue streams that can pick up the slack if PPV falters, and TV not being one of them.

Even as recently as the first six months of 2011, 75% of UFC's income came from either PPV or live gates (for the first nine months of the year, for WWE, PPV and live events generated 42.0% of revenues and 43.8% of profits). That was great in 2010, because UFC was wildly profitable doing big PPV numbers. But that's all contingent on PPV, not necessary doing 2010 record numbers, but at least staying at 2011 levels because another fall from this level wouldn't be good. If PPV falls like it did over the past few years with WWE, it would require major cost cutting, and the fighters, particularly the headliners, would earn substantially less. They still have the international market potential, which has kept WWE healthy over the past decade as domestic interest as declined, but exporting isn't as easy. Pro wrestling has existed all over the world in some form for decades. MMA is still a new sport without widespread appeal, and while there is the universal appeal of guys fighting and an inherent excitement level of the sport, it also takes more of an education process in new markets. And even in the U.S., it has not proven the true test of time yet, in the sense it may hit big when it first hits television but does it have the staying power in new markets once the novelty phase is over? Even if revenue declines, the company is still going to have to run more shows than ever before to fulfill its commitments to FOX, FX and Fuel.
The ex-wrestler suing Abdullah the Butcher for allegedly infecting him with Hepatitis C during a match, now claims Abdullah's blood tests confirm that the Hall of Famer has the disease.

Devon Nicholson, the now retired Canadian pro wrestler who filed suit against both World Wrestling Entertainment and Larry Shreeve (Abdullah the Butcher), claimed that his lawyers have told him after more than a year of delays, that Shreeve's lawyers provided results of his blood test, which showed him positive for Hepatitis C.

Nicholson's suit, filed last year, claims he contracted Hepatitis from Shreeve during a bloody match. When undergoing medical testing for a WWE contract offer, he was discovered being Hepatitis C positive, which casued WWE to withdraw a contract offer made to him.

Nicholson, who wrestled as Hannibal, and is now competing in amateur wrestling as a heavyweight with a longshot goal of attempting to make Canada's Olympic team next year, had claimed he believe his Hepatitis that was discovered in WWE pre-contract medical testing, came from Shreeve using the same blade to cut himself and Nicholson in a double juice match.

The idea that Shreeve, whose age, depending on the source, is between 70 and 75, after all this time was found to have the disease is a scary proposition in the business. He's done double juice matches dating back to the 60s, often using the same blade to cut both himself and his opponent, in arenas around the world. There is no word when Shreeve picked up the disease, meaning how far back those in the ring doing bloody matches with him are at risk. He had claimed for more than a year that he did not have the disease, and would provide results of blood tests, but then delayed and delayed without producing test results.

Nicholson's claim has not been substantiated by any public evidence. If Nicholson's claim is true, no information exists to show how long Shreeve might have had the disease, and how long prior opponents in bloody matches with him could be at risk.
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George Steele was in Lawrenceville, PA, over the weekend and talked about the origin of his name. He was a football coach and high school teacher at Madison Heights High School outside of Detroit who would wrestle in the area under a mask as The Student because of his meager teaching salary, but to hide from his students and the school board that he was moonlighting. Bruno Sammartino saw him in Detroit and wanted to bring him to Pittsburgh as an opponent (which led to him later coming to WWWF). But he was afraid to go as Jim Myers, his real name, in case it got back to Madison Heights. He claimed this weekend that Johnny DeFazio, a Pittsburgh wrestler, told him he should call himself Jim Steele, Jim being his first name, and Steele named after Pittsburgh being known as the Steel city. Tony Norman of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette noted that was a new story. In the past he had claimed he was named after a Michigan Hall of Fame football coach named George Steele. When he first arrived in the WWWF, they billed him as the nephew or Ray Steele, a world champion in the early 40s. Those who would know say DeFazio had nothing to do with it.
A movie on the life of Chris Benoit, called "Crossface," is being planned by SRG Films. This is a long way from being a done deal, but they are beginning to write a script for it, based on the book "Ring of Hell" by Matt Randazzo. As things are scheduled, filming beings in the fall of 2012.
^ That is a good ass book.
Rima Fakih, the former Miss USA who was on the show "Tough Enough," was arrested in Highland Park, MI, in the early morning hours of 12/3 on charges of suspicion of drunk driving. Then she pretty much took to the Kurt Angle play book. The first thing she did was send out a tweet saying the media stories claiming she was arrested were wrong because she wasn't even in the state of Michigan, and the mistake came because somebody with her same last name was arrested. Then, hours later, she removed the posts. Her attorney, Donald Elder then admitted it was her who was arrested, but claimed the twitter posts were not from her, but that someone with access to her account posted them pretending to be her. She was the one who went to the same private high school at the same time as a sister of one of our readers and in a story about her background claimed there was a shooting at the school every week, when in actuality there wasn't a shooting at the school her entire time. Elder said Fakih and a friend were out, and her friend, who was the driver, was too drunk, so Fakih said she'd drive home, even though she also had been drinking.
This is from the New Jack Facebook and it kind of speaks for itself: "Have these bitches lost their fucking minds or what? Tammy Sytch from WWE called me this past weekend and asked me would I kill her ex-boyfriend who is a cop in Jersey, because he has abused her and beat the shit outta her in the past five years. I'm sure y'all are finding this hard to believe, just like the other (I believe this is in reference to New Jack's situation with recent girlfriend Terri Runnels that wound up in court), but please believe it. I have a signing and a show in Jersey this weekend and I will be staying at a hotel in Jersey for two days, but believe this when I say it, I'm not coming to Jersey to try and kill a guy (cop) for Tammy or nobody else. WTF. Tammy, here is a little word of advice. Do your own goddamn dirty work you crazy bitch. Please forward this to her and by the way, the cop's name is John, crazy fucking bitch." The only thing I know is that Tammy Sytch's boyfriend she recently broke up with is named John. Sytch didn't comment when asked about this.
Hulk Hogan's son Nick has been sued by Marcela Posada for injuries suffered in a 2009 auto accident on a Southern California freeway. Posada claims she suffered serious injuries in the accident. She did not report any injuries when police arrived on the scene.
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It was officially announced that Urijah Faber and Dominick Cruz will be the coaches for the first season of Ultimate Fighter on FX. This means the season will not only hype the fight with two fighters who genuinely don't like each other, but for the first time, because it will air in real time as opposed to be taped months earlier, the coaches will be training with their teams weekly to get ready for the fight as opposed to their usual fight camps. Their usual coaches and some training partners from their home camp are going to be brought by UFC to Las Vegas as coaches so they'll have the key elements of their camp, but it still won't be a normal camp for either guy. What's notable is that because the season are lightweights and welterweights, both will be training with people at least in the house who they are coaching who are significantly bigger than they are. The first episode will be 3/9 with two hours of live fights to get into the house from 9-11 p.m. (Head-to-head with both Bellator and Smackdown). It then moves to the usual 10-11 p.m. (Not against Smackdown but against Bellator's second hour) from 3/16 to the finals on 6/8. Faber and Cruz would likely fight on either PPV or FOX later in June. Faber had pushed to get himself and Cruz as coaches.
Alistair Overeem has left Las Vegas and moved back to Holland because he wanted to be closer to his mother as she's battling cancer.
Jake Shields and Bryan Danielson were both nominated for the PETA2 Libby Awards as the Most Animal Friendly Athletes in the U.S. Danielson has done PSAs for PETA and has talked about animal abuse on twitter. Shields and Danielson are both vegetarians, although there are a lot of athletes who are vegetarians including Nate & Nick Diaz, Mac Danzig and while not 100% all the time, Jon Fitch is during training.
Brett Rogers, 30, was sentenced on 11/30 to 60 days in jail, three years probation and fined $500 as part of a plea bargain arrangement for pleading guilty to third degree assault charges based on a 6/29 incident involving wife Tiuna. Tiuna, 30, had a tooth knocked out and her face bleeding when police found her. She at the time claimed her husband choked her, chased her into the backyard and punched her in the head until she blacked out. Later she didn't want to press charges. He claimed he only hit his wife because she was hitting him first. The fight started in front of the couple's 9-year-old daughter who was screaming for them to stop. Rogers was fired by Zuffa the day after the arrest, which was 11 days after he was defeated by Josh Barnett in the Strikeforce Grand Prix tournament. Rogers only has 34 days left to serve because he's being given credit for 26 days served at the time of his arrest. Dream has been trying to put together Rogers vs. Sylvia for New Year's Eve.
Boxing star Vic Darchinyan has said he is going to do MMA, saying he's going after world titles in both boxing and MMA in 2012. Darchinyan is in the Gary Shaw stable, which may mean Shaw getting back into MMA, or at the least trying to broker a deal. Darchinyan wrestled in Armenia while growing up, but is 35 and hasn't competed in that sport in decades.
There are a lot of internal WWE jokes regarding people HHH has hired. They are mostly guys in their 20s, with several described as gym-type meatheads and people joke he's surrounding himself with jacked up meatheads, but at least he's getting fresh training partners. Others say they aren't yes men, but they are people who don't know anything about the business so they don't question him. Noting the ascension of Sheamus and of a guy in his department who has already become a deputy director, it's been joked the lesson is when HHH is running the company, a key component of career enhancement is to live in the gym and make sure he sees that you don't miss your morning workouts. There is something to that because on European tours he was on, he'd come back and knock the guys who treated the tour like a vacation and they were rock stars partying and not going to the gym, and would note the few who would join him in workouts.
Joanie Laurer did a really deluded interview in Steppin Out magazine, highlights included claiming she's never done steroids, she never had drug issues and did "Celebrity Rehab" for the payday and blaming her problems on Sean Waltman, and before that, was exiled from WWE because of an affair between her boyfriend and the bosses daughter. But the kicker was when asked if UFC has taken the steam out of the WWE, she said, "I think it has. When I was with the WWE it was what I consider the golden era. Plus, I paved he way for all of the divas there. I was part of the group that made Vince's company go from 50 folding chairs at a high school cafeteria to ringing the stock market bell. I was there during all of that." It's one thing for Hulk Hogan to claim he took wrestling from smoky buildings, which isn't true either, but for someone who came along in 1997 to say she took wrestling from 50 folding chairs at a high school cafeteria is something else.
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12-19-11 issue
We’ve got a few notes about some finances regarding the new WWE Network.

The 2012 budget for payroll is said to be about $20 million during the first year and $25 million in the second and third year. The production facility and technical equipment will run another $18 million a year. The satellite uplinking will cost $13 million for the year. That’s not including legal, marketing, affiliate costs, costs of developing programming, producing programming, etc. The budget we’ve heard for the first year would be $60 to $90 million.

Most of the income will be based on carriage fees. It depends on how much money they will be able to charge cable operators for the programming and how many will clear it. I know a lot of people see this as the latest flop, but the thing is, Vince McMahon has thought this was a necessity dating back to 2005.

The impetus of the idea came when the Raw contract expired with Spike and he put it out there thinking he was going to make far more in rights fees by bidding all the major cable systems against each other. But once Spike dropped out early and then announced they were canceling the show, TBS and TNT and everyone else but USA and WGN weren’t interested. WGN, because of low visibility and a lack of national clearance would have been a disaster. So they went to USA with a worse financial deal than they had on Spike to begin with because they had no leverage at all to negotiate a new deal.

At that point, McMahon realized that without television, pro wrestling at this level is dead. So he needed a safety valve in place, as he told people he was close to at the time that they can’t ever risk a time when they aren’t on American television.

The problem isn’t so much the network but the fact they are rushing it out there. Not only is there limited direction, but they still don’t have enough people hired for it. People in key positions in charge haven’t been hired, and there are only four-and-a-half months to launch. I know of people who had been in talks and all passed on it, with one remarking that Vice President of the XFL may not be something you want on your resume. So they aren’t inspiring confidence, largely because of the apparent lack of long term vision. From what we understand, negotiations for clearances is going slow and in cable, the feeling is they are asking for too much and that WWE believes they have more leverage than they do.

I guess it depends on how much they can rally their fan base to pressure companies. The issue is timing. A lot of network start-ups have come in, gotten a certain level of rates, and the big boys, like ESPN, USA, FX, The Food Network, etc. are raising rates and they have leverage because consumers will revolt if they lose a station that is already popular. So there is not a lot of movement to spend more money, and raise monthly rates to consumers, particularly, as if you’ve noticed by our updates, that the number of people who are moving away from cable and satellite, while not gigantic, is now significant most months.

If they can get into 40 million homes and can get 20 cents per subscriber, they will be able to break even. And again, losing some money to establish it and the ability to grow homes from there is fine and is expected. Of course, they may not get anywhere that level of clearances, particularly if cable stations have their way and put them into a sports tier you have to pay extra for. Realistically, there are 3 to 3.5 million homes that watch Raw each week. The vast majority are happy with that and are casual fans, don’t live and die with the product, don’t watch the PPVs, etc. There are the 80,000 homes (remember that when we do North American PPV numbers, that includes Canada, which is more than 10% and Puerto Rico in domestic numbers) that watch PPVs, and probably a similar level number that have 24/7 InDemand and they will demand the station and pay for it on a separate tier for sure.

So you’ve got anywhere from 2.9 million to 3.4 million that may not care, or may not want to pay for it as a separate tier. The 24/7 Classics on Demand numbers consistently falling and never being all that large isn’t a good sign when it comes to getting people to pay extra. Wrestling is very different now from the 70s, 80s and 90s. In those eras, the audience that watched wrestling was so much larger, and there were so many more casual fans who watched it every now and then, or were the closet fans who watched it often.

Now, you really don’t have that audience. So if this is put on a singular paid tier on its own, like Showtime, it’s probably not getting 1 million homes let alone 40 million. As part of a tier and sharing, who knows? If you’re comparing, the NBA Channel gets 22 cents, ESPN Classics gets 18 cents, and Fox’s Soccer Channel gets 16 cents. So 20 cents is a heavy price, but even at 16 cents (per subscriber per month), and a WWE channel is going to be more popular in this country than a soccer channel, if they clear 10 million homes, that’s revenue of $19 million per year and it’s a huge loser.

But companies that got there first at a time when cable companies are cutting back on funding may be getting better deals than those coming now when companies are thinking cutbacks. At 40 million homes, you aren’t far from break-even. At 60 million homes, you are talking a strong profit.

The NFL Network is currently in 56 million homes as an example. NBA TV is in 45 million homes. But those numbers will grow as time goes on and this network isn’t about 2012, it’s about 2017 or 2018.

In the short-term, if they do pull the “B” PPVs on the station, even breaking even really isn’t, because you have to figure in whatever profits they are losing on the PPV end. That’s hard to say because there are still the international markets. and we don’t know if PPV will still be offered in North America for those who don’t get the station. Or will they pull the PPVs to have their core audience make a lot of noise and try and force clearances. That PPV audience in the U.S. these days for a “B” show isn’t all that large, but if mobilized, can still make a lot of noise.

As part of the launching of the network, WWE is dropping its 24/7 Classics on Demand service on either 12/31 or 3/31. Systems were told the former date on 12/12. But at least one system on 12/13 received word from WWE listing the service being dropped on 3/31. Ironically, this decision, sent to cable companies on 12/12, came just a few days after at least some cable companies had informed their subscribers that starting in January, the price for the service would be increased by $1 per month and that WWE had told them nothing about discontinuing the service, only the price raise.
What was expected to be UFC’s biggest PPV fight in more than one year has been postponed a second time with Georges St. Pierre suffering a torn ACL and meniscus in training and needing surgery that will put likely keep him out of action for ten months.

St. Pierre’s 2/4 welterweight title defense against Nick Diaz has been changed to Diaz vs. Carlos Condit to create an interim welterweight champion. What will most likely happen is the Diaz vs. Condit winner would have one title defense, and then, likely at the end of 2012, whoever the interim champion is will have a unification match with St. Pierre.

“Normally when you have an ACL tear, there is big swelling, but the symptoms of an ACL tear wasn’t there,” said St. Pierre, who said that he suffered the injury a few weeks back when he hyperextended his knee defending a takedown in a sparring session. “When I hurt myself, I hyperextended my leg. I got up like nothing happened. I went out that night to have dinner with some friends. I had some discomfort. I had some instability of my knee, but I was back training the next day. But after a few weeks, when things should have been fine, it was still hurting. I was in Las Vegas (last week). I was training with Vitor Belfort and my knee felt unstable, some positions I couldn’t do but I was still training. I called Sebastian (his friend Dr. Sebastian Mimerc) and said, `I have some instability.’ He said, `Let’s take a picture. Let’s not take a chance.’ We were all surprised when it came back I had a torn ACL. The symptoms of an ACL tear weren’t there at all. Usually when someone tears their ACL they roll around on the ground, their knee twists. When I hurt myself, get hit hard, fall weird, but the next day you feel fine. It happens almost every two weeks. You have a bruise. This was the same thing. I never thought it would be so bad.”

“It all started in mid-October when Georges was preparing for the match with Carlos Condit,” said Dr. Mimerc. “He injured his left knee doing a sparring session. He sprained his MCL. He tried to continue the camp with the pain. He had a small injury to his right leg, a pulled hamstring. With injuries on both legs we decided to cancel the fight. He did rehab. He recovered completely. While training, he tried to defend a takedown and he hyperextended his right knee. He was still able to walk, so he tried to continue training. A few days later, he felt the pain was increasing. He called me. We did an MRI on Monday morning (12/5). I saw him yesterday (12/6). The physical exam showed a full tear of the ACL and a partial tear of the meniscus.

“The treatment plan considering the pain, surgery is mandatory,” said Mimerc. “There is no way he can compete with such a problem in his right knee. We’re looking at ACL reconstruction and meniscus repair.

“Regarding the expectations, I’m expecting a full recovery in six to nine months. The success rate for this surgery is above 95%. I’ve been treating Georges for years and I’ve done full surgery on his elbow twice. His recovery rate is off the charts. He’s got amazing genetics, amazing physical capabilities. I know Georges will be back to the same level of competition that he was before the injury.”

St. Pierre underwent surgery on 12/13 performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache of the well-known Carlin-Jobs Clinic in Los Angeles. ElAttrache is the team doctor for the Los Angeles Dodgers and is also affiliated with the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, St. Louis Rams, Los Angeles Kings and Los Angeles Lakers. St. Pierre was told the surgery was a big success. He also performed reconstruction surgery on Tom Brady in 2008,

St. Pierre blames the problems on his training on injuries, and overcompensating for the injuries, which wears out another body part.

“Yeah, I believe there is only one person to blame for what happened, and it’s myself,” he said. “I’m the kind of guy who can endure pain and go through it. I learned a big lesson in my life. It’s just going to make me stronger, smarter and more clever. It’s nobody’s fault, nobody except myself. I’ve been in training compensating for injuries. Because I compensated for one leg not being 100% healed, I was compensating with the other one. It’s all about compensating. I learned the hard way.

He was upset with Cesar Gracie, the manager of Diaz, who has knocked him for the past several months.

“One of the reporters said Cesar Gracie said something bad about me, and that doesn’t surprise me,” he said. “People say bad stuff, `he’s finished.’ It’s very easy to hit on a guy when he’s down. We have a saying in French, life goes up and down. People will laugh. I’m in a downfall. I’m injured. Soon, I won’t be injured. I’ll be back on top. Mark my words. I’ll be back as champion, if not at the end of the year, in 2013, I’ll be champion.”

St. Pierre is likely to be at this moment the industry’s biggest drawing card because it is likely Brock Lesnar’s drawing power is no longer what it was when he was champion. Lesnar earns, between his PPV cuts and sponsorships, the range of $5 million per fight according to his own estimates, lost in the range of $10 million to $15 million in income with the injuries costing him a minimum of two and when all is said and done, possibly three fights. For UFC, a conservative figure on the loss of St. Pierre in October would be $11 million.

With Condit vs. Diaz compared to St. Pierre vs. Diaz, and the injury coming before millions in ticket sales were already sold and with a likely greater loss of PPV revenue (Condit is far less attractive as a main eventer than Penn, GSP vs. Diaz given the story plus FOX promotion the week before would a substantially bigger fight this time), a $13 million figure in UFC losses on the front end would be minimum.

Throw that figure next to the $25 million or so that could be lost on Jan. 28 if all things go wrong and it puts into perspective the difference between super profitable and a company that may not nearly be the financial powerhouse it’s perceived to be. Those losses of potential income may make up anywhere from a solid percentage to almost all the difference between the new contract from FOX and the old deal with Spike, Versus and the more lucrative old deal with Showtime.

Mike Pierce will be replacing Condit as the opponent for Josh Koscheck in the co-feature.
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After some fear and rumors that the 12/30 Brock Lesnar vs. Alistair Overeem bout was in jeopardy, the Nevada State Athletic Commission issued a ruling giving Overeem a conditional license after it had taken him 20 days to take the correct out of competition steroid test.

The bout will go on as scheduled provided he doesn’t test positive in his test taken on 12/7 in Holland, a second test he was scheduled to take on 12/14 in the U.K. that will be rushed to Quest Labs and that he is responsible for all expenses of, and that will be expedited so results will be available by the end of next week. In addition, when he arrives back in the U.S. just before Christmas, on the day he arrives, he has to take one more steroid test. They are hopeful to get results on that test before fight time as well. If he does test positive in any of these tests, it is likely Frank Mir would replace him in the fight with Lesnar.

Overeem also has to take a fourth steroid test on the night of the fight, which is usual protocol for a UFC main event fight. In addition, he will have to take two steroid tests ordered by the commission that he will get no advanced warning on over the next six months.

This all came down due to this time line of circumstances. On 11/17 at about 2 p.m., Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission contacted the management of Lesnar and Overeem to tell them they had until 5 p.m. the next day to submit urine testing for steroids and other drugs and both were given a list of labs in the area of where they were expected to be, Minnesota for Lesnar and Southern California or Las Vegas for Overeem. The next morning, Brian Stegemen, Lesnar’s representative, called Kizer and said that Lesnar lived far away from any of the labs and asked if he could take his test at a local hospital. Kizer said that as long as it was an observed test and they sent the specimen to an accredited lab. Lesnar did not get tested by the end of the day, but did take a test on the morning of 11/21. The test results came back fine.

Overeem and his reps, on the other hand, never even responded to the request for a test. When Kizer called his lab to let them know where Lesnar had taken the test, he also asked if Overeem had contacted them to inform them where he was taking his test. When they said they hadn’t heard from Overeem, Kizer sent another e-mail to Overeem’s representative, Collin Lam, as well as informed UFC that Overeem had not responded on the testing request. After no doubt hearing immediately from UFC, Lam called Kizer and told him the reason he hadn’t heard from Overeem is that Overeem had flown from Las Vegas to Holland at 6 p.m. on 11/17 because his mother was ill, possibly facing a third bout of cancer. Overeem’s mother, who has battled cancer twice before, the second time a devastating bout with it, was reported by Overeem in his column on the Yahoo.com web site that he was leaving for Holland to be with his mother due to her having cancer. At the hearing, under oath, he said that his mother wasn’t doing well, had found some suspicious cells, and would be undergoing tests this week. He said he got nervous about her and decided to go back on 11/15, but delayed it two days before he was scheduled for filming for the UFC Countdown show on the morning of 11/17.

Lam said Overeem would be going to his doctor the next day (this being 11/22) to get a testing request in and would be tested on 11/23 by his personal doctor, and not an accredited lab, in Leusden, Holland.

On 11/30, Kizer got the results of the test, which was a blood test, and not a urine test as ordered. While the blood test would not detect many of the steroids they were looking for, it did include testing for his levels of testosterone in the body, and they were at average levels and there was nothing amiss in the test. Kizer immediately informed them that he took the wrong test and needed to take a urine test with a full steroid panel. Lam found a different lab on either 12/1 or 12/2, for Overeem to take the correct test. However, Overeem did not take the test until 12/7, and the specimen was then sent to a lab in Germany, which is why no results are back at press time.

Overeem, under oath, appearing before the commission via phone from Holland at the meeting on 12/12, said that he flew from his training camp in Las Vegas back to Holland without ever hearing about the test, not finding out until he arrived.

Kizer noted that Lam had been help to him and wanted it on the record, but also pointed out how Lesnar’s rep at least got back to him the next day and told him they were having trouble, while he never heard from Lam for five days, and Kizer had to initiate getting the response even then.

“I did not make any efforts to avoid testing,” said Overeem. “Furthermore, I have done exactly what I was told to do by my assistants who were being told what to do by Mr. Kizer.”

Skip Avansino, a member of the commission, said the only thing that troubled him was the lapse of time between the 11/17 and 12/7 date. He said there are a lot of explanations and excuses, and an unfortunate situation (Overeem’s mother’s illness) but there was also a lack of a sense of urgency from Overeem’s side about getting it taken care of. He used the term that it appeared there was not “a great appreciation of a sense of urgency when this commission asks for a random test.”

While Overeem is going to be tested twice over the six month period after the fight, the Nevada commission already has the power to test any licensed fighter at any time with no warning. The normal protocol has been to test big fight main events, whether they be boxing or MMA, with surprise tests at some point during the training cycle. The period is usually four to six weeks out, where a fighter who, if they were using steroids during the building phase of camp and planning on cutting them out to beat the “day of” test, would be caught, and it’s also enough time to get the test back and give the promotion time to get a replacement.

That time frame is really the most troubling thing. The situation with Overeem is because of both his record change and size growth. Overeem spent most of his career as a light heavyweight, and had a 24-10 record mostly fighting in that division (he fought at a 210 pound catch weight once against Vitor Belfort). He was a good light heavyweight in Pride, but not a world beater, with losses to Shogun Rua and Antonio Rogerio Nogueira twice, as well as Ricardo Arona and Chuck Liddell. He then moved to heavyweight, and without cutting weight, he was fighting at about 227 pounds. Then he had a sudden growth spurt in 2008, at the age of 28, where got past 250 and was as heavy as 262 competing in Japan. His two fights in the U.S. where he was drug tested on the days of the fight saw him at 252 and 256 pounds respectively. He was also not quite as hard as he was at a slightly bigger weight in Japan. On 12/12, he said he was 255 pounds, which would be in line with his weight for his other U.S. fights. If he weighs in at 255, that would mean Lesnar would have an official ten-pound weight edge, but a real edge of closer to 23 pounds since Lesnar expects to go into the cage at around 278. Because of these fluctuations, and the fact a 24-10 light heavyweight then went 9-0 (with one no contest in a fight with Mirko Cro Cop that he was dominating) with eight first round stoppages as a heavyweight and also won the K-1 World Grand Prix as a heavyweight, few fighters have things whispered, and often shouted about them as far as steroid suspicions. Overeem at one point attributed his size gain to discovering weight training and eating horse meat. Whether rightly or wrongly, horse meat from that point on became in the industry the verbal equivalent of an insider term like playing video games for a WWE wrestler.

The Overeem situation becomes frustrating because he is fighting, and Chael Sonnen is fighting, and Nate Marquardt was cleared to fight just days after high testosterone readings and failed tests once he got his levels into the high normal range as opposed to unallowable levels. There is punishment for being caught, but with Marquardt, he was reinstated even after testing high. With Sonnen, they booked him in Texas and there were reports Texas never even tested him before licensing him. Overeem admitted that UFC never tested him before signing him. It may be something the company would consider doing and should do similar to WWE which pre-screens all prospective hires. The athletic commission and medicals are supposed to catch the medical problems before a fight, and they rely on the commissions for the drug testing except when they go overseas in non-commission countries where they handle the testing themselves. All three situations are different. But in all three cases, there were clean fighters frustrated feeling everyone is bending over backwards to keep people in the game where there is suspicious evidence. The fact is, Overeem has never failed a test.

The issue is that performance enhancing drug use in MMA is prevalent. How prevalent exactly, nobody knows. There are those who will privately complain even about testosterone replacement therapy, feeling while it may have legit medical uses, in this sport it’s abused. The fighters who are using are taking things that get in and out of their systems fast, because generally fighters know the day they are being tested so know how to clean themselves up. Usually with what people are taking, two weeks is enough time to clean up. You get the benefits throughout your camp of being able to recover from harder training, as well as being able to handle heavier weights and build more strength. You get off late enough that the post-cycle crash doesn’t hit and it’s part of the peaking process. And there’s the issue with the 20 days between the day the test was ordered and the day it took place.

Perhaps it was a misunderstanding of what test they wanted, because it was only six days later, he had gone across the world and his mother was ill, when he took the first test which he very likely could have believed was the right test.

In the end, the hassle of having to fly to England and take a test this week on what should be the hardest point of the training camp, basically take two days out of key training time to take a 30 second urine test, may slightly tip the scales to Lesnar all things being equal. But they aren’t. This is a fight of whether Overeem can block the takedown, and get back up after a takedown without taking bad damage. Some are saying leaving the top wrestlers in Las Vegas and doing takedown defense against guys from Holland won’t be to his favor, but with his mother in the condition she’s in, it’s one of those things that you have to do. And as strong as Lesnar currently looks, he’s still 34 and been through a lot physically over the past two plus years, is coming off major surgery and hasn’t fought in 14 months. If that affects his takedown ability, or if age and his ordeal takes away his quickness at his size, it’s not so much a matter of a day or two of camp.

This is a unique fight. It comes down to a very simple question. Can Lesnar take him down and keep him down while inflicting damage. If so, he’ll probably win. If not, he’ll probably lose very quickly. As Lesnar said when Dana White told him it was five rounds and not three, “It doesn’t matter, because it’s not going five rounds.”
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Terry "Hulk Hogan" Bollea filed his third lawsuit against ex-wife Linda Bollea, sometimes known as Linda Hogan, based on her book, "Wrestling The Hulk - My Life Against the Ropes," as well as a series of interviews she made in promotion of the book.

The lawsuit cites Linda claiming she was fearful she would wind up as a statistic, like Nicole Simpson, that Hogan had a sexual relationship with a male wrestler (Hogan talked about this claim in his own book, saying it was his good friend Ed Leslie and claimed it came from Linda's mother walking in on an encounter between Leslie and a blond haired woman and Linda's mother believing the blond haired woman was Terry).

In a radio interview with Matty P's Radio Happy Hour, Linda was directly asked if she believed Hogan and Brutus Beefcake (Leslie) ever had an intimate relationship.

"Wow, let me think about how to answer this so I don't end up getting a lawsuit. Well, a little bird told me yes."

"Miss Bollea's made enough of these outrageous allegations that it's time they stop," said Wil Florin, Hogan's attorney in an article in the St. Petersburg Times. "The only realistic way of making them stop is through the court system."

Leslie also claimed he has a lawyer drawing up papers and is going to be filing his own lawsuit against Linda Bollea over her statement.

Hogan did a TMZ.com interview and basically said that he filed the suit to stop her from lying, noting that they went through a nasty divorce, and at no point did she ever accuse him of physical abuse, nor of having a homosexual affair, and only now has told those stories to sell a book. Hogan said he would have no problem admitting if he was gay and was mad that Brutus Beefcake’s teenage daughter had to hear that story going around. The notable thing about the Beefcake story is that Hogan brought up the story in his own book, stating that Linda’s mother walked in on Beefcake having a sexual encounter with a blond woman and then claimed she saw Beefcake having a sexual encounter with Hogan. He also stated that if Linda hates him so much she should go back to using her birth name, Linda Claridge, instead of Linda Hogan and that his wife Jennifer is the real Mrs. Hogan.

The lawsuit mentions that Linda has been able to live a lavish lifestyle as a direct result of her former marriage.

Hogan had sued Linda on two previous occasions, and is in the middle of a third court battle with her regarding the terms of their divorce settlement, not including this case. In 2010, she was added to his lawsuit against Wells Fargo Southeast in which he claimed Wells Fargo failed to insure him to the degree necessary which forced him to lose millions in the lawsuit filed on behalf of John Graziano, who was severely injured as a passenger in a car driven by Hogan's son Nick. He claimed Wells Fargo Southeast contacted Linda about an umbrella policy and increased auto insurance coverage for all of his vehicles in 2002, and she turned down the increased policy.

He claimed in 2005, Wells Fargo again contacted Linda about taking out more insurance and Linda, both times failing to even inform Hulk, turned down adding to the policy.

He claimed Linda was at fault because she should have known there were two teenage drivers in the household. Even if he had signed liability for both, thus exposing him to individual liability in the event someone was injured in an accident by a vehicle driven by one of his two children.

He continued his lawsuit with Wells Fargo stating that at no time did they ever consult him personally, only his wife, to let him know that he needed more liability insurance.

On August 22, 2007, just four days before Nick's accident with Graziano, Wells Fargo again attempted to sell them broader insurance coverage to either Linda or Linda's personal assistant and either she or the assistant rejected adding to the insurance coverage.

Hogan took out a mortgage on his already paid for mansion to garner some of the money needing to settle the Graziano lawsuit after being on the wrong side of a 70/30 asset split in his divorce settlement.

Hogan also sued Linda in 2009 for stealing a toilet seat from their Bellaire mansion that he was to have ownership of based on the terms of their divorce settlement.

The two have also been in court over an interpretation of their divorce settlement. As part of their settlement, Hogan gave Linda 40% of all business that has to do with the Hulk Hogan name. Linda interpreted it as 40% of all gross income derived from the name while Terry interpreted it as 40% of all the profits derived from the name. The courts have ruled in favor of her every step of the way, but he keeps appealing.
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Ross & Marshall Adkisson, two sons of Kevin Von Erich, will be starting here early next year. An official announcement is expected to come on 1/14. Both have been trained by Harley Race, using the name Ross & Marshall Von Erich. Ross was a high school football star who looked like Kerry, and who when the Von Erichs were inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame got a lot of people talking because of his look. He looks nothing like Kerry now. Ross, who is now 23, is listed at 6-0 and 215 pounds while Marshall, who is 19, is 6-3 and 230 pounds, and kind of resembles David being tall and looking like a basketball player. They are going to use the claw as their finisher.
In the Puerto Rican newspaper Primera Hora, Abdullah the Butcher said, regarding the revelation he tested positive for Hepatitis C, “The only thing I will say it that when we meet again in court, to be in a month and a half or so, there is going to be a big surprise. Soon we will know the whole truth.” Ottawa West EMC wrote a story on it and Abdullah said, “This whole thing has caused too much aggravation. Anyway, it didn’t come from me. A lot of people could have hepatitis C, and not even realize it, and he has wrestled a lot of people and in a lot of places. Soon everything will be out in the open, but what he says is not true. I didn’t cut him. It all goes back tot he same ting. He has wrestled all over, so how many times has he been split open? He also used to be a bouncer in a club–something could have happened there.” Abdullah also suggested Nicholson could have gotten his hepatitis from working in a dirty or bloody ring that wasn’t cleaned up. “A guy could go to work in factory or anywhere, and he could accidentally cut his arm. If he doesn’t clean it, it will get infected. I’ve always cleaned any cuts I have had with alcohol to make sure there is no chance of infection. What he is saying about me is like because someone is a (expletive), then he has AIDS. No he doesn’t. You would have to prove it. For home to come out and say this about me, I say prove it. I have a clean record.” A couple of issues with this case. Nicholson wrestled for years, including in Puerto Rico which was a blood territory. Even if Abdullah does have Hepatitis C, that doesn’t mean that’s where Nicholson got it. At the same time, Abdullah claiming he didn’t cut Nicholson is not going to help him in court since he clearly did. As far as the big surprise, it wouldn’t shock me for Abdullah to claim he got his Hepatitis C from his match with Nicholson.
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Jimmy Snuka, 68, is in need of ankle replacement surgery. Dawn Marie is attempting to do fund raisers to help pay for the $24,000 cost of replacing his ankle joint because Snuka is not in good financial condition.
Eric Bischoff commented on Linda Bollea: “Been silent on the Hulk and Linda divorce since the beginning. Glad to hear he is filing a suit against her. She is a pig in every sense. Actually the only thing more disgusting than Linda Hogan is that pissant creepy little punk that’s sleeping with that skank.” Later, when talking about Charley Hill, Linda’s boyfriend, “Actually, if I was his age, I would throw up in my mouth the first time I saw her naked. Ughhh.”
Miguel Torres became only the third person in UFC history to be cut over Internet stupidity, putting him in the same category as the famed War Machine and Jesse “Little John McCarthy” Taylor. It’s really a strange story, since a lot of people have said a lot of dumb things of late. Dana White was on TSN’s “Off the Record” on 12/8 when host Michael Landsberg read him the tweet from Torres which read, “If a rape van was called a surprise van, more women wouldn’t mind going for rides in them. Everyone like surprises.” This was actually, as irony would have it, a joke from the TV show “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia,” that airs on FX, the same station UFC will be airing on this coming year. Torres had also posted, “Your mouth says no but my roofies say yes,” and “99 No’s and one yes is still a yes.” This came a day after the Rashad thing to Phil Davis about Penn State which led to some negative media reaction. White himself when explaining it mentioned that incident with Evans and noted that Evans was sorry, although Evans himself never apologized publicly, and brought up Forrest Griffin tweeting “rape is the new missionary” some time back, which Griffin very quickly apologized about and claimed it was because he had watched three news channels in a row with three different stories about rape, it came to his head as a joke, and then realized some people didn’t think it was funny. You put 250 fighters and tell them to go on twitter, and it’s guaranteed that there are going to be some War Machines in the bunch who will embarrass the company. White said what happened with Evans had nothing to do with his firing Torres, nor the potential of more ammunition for the Culinary Workers Union who have gone full bore against him, nor being mainstream on FOX. Perhaps it was just his being embarrassed about a statement by one of his fighters during the taping of a national TV show. Torres apologized the next day. Taylor was cut over a number of things, and may have been cut anyway after a loss to C.B. Dollaway. His cut came right after complaining on the Internet that UFC had a double standard. They released him when he got drunk, kicked in the window of the vehicle he was in, right in front of one of Lorenzo Fertitta’s casinos. He then went into casino and went on a rampage telling everyone that he was a UFC fighter (he then apologized to Dana White and was given a second chance), and how Rampage Jackson wasn’t cut when he led police in a car chase which saw him drive on sidewalks forcing pedestrians to flee, and a second incident where Jackson was going crazy talking about religion causing the police to intervene. War Machine on the Internet claimed Evan Tanner went into the desert to kill himself because his career was over and he made no money, and then when it came out Tanner’s death was not a suicide, he wouldn’t retract what he said, then insulted Joe Silva, as well as turned down a fight and made it public and was cut. Machine’s remarks that somebody should kill President Obama actually came after he was cut by UFC and led to his being cut by Bellator, which actually brought him back on 12/7. But Torres is the first fighter fired due to twitter. White was also mad about the Roofies tweet. White said everyone is entitled to disagree with him. “It was from a TV show. I don’t give a shit. This isn’t a TV show. This is a sport. And the thing is about sending things like that out on twitter, it’s not like you have some forum to explain yourself and to discuss what you meant.” When people complained about being inconsistent given what Griffin tweeted and what Evans said the day before, “You want to see consistency. Let’s see if anybody does that again. I double dare you to send another tweet like that again.”
Details of the first foreign season of Ultimate Fighter were announced as Dana White and matchmakers Joe Silva and Sean Shelby went to Sao Paulo, Brazil for the tryouts of “The Ultimate Fighter: Brazil.” Vitor Belfort and Wanderlei Silva will be the coaches, building up to a match at the end of the season. They will start filming shortly after Belfort’s fight with Anthony Johnson on 1/14, so they are seemingly counting on him coming out of that fight without any serious injuries. The show will air on Globo, which is a major network there, the same network that aired Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos which did a 20 rating and 22 million viewers airing after midnight. It will be a similar format to the Spike version of TUF, except with UFC picking the fighters, there will be more emphasis on fighting ability. Where UFC and Spike always had issues is Spike was looking for personalities to make for good television. UFC also wanted personalities, but were of the belief that a wacky personality who couldn’t fight was of no value, because they may get attention during the show but TUF was about building potential stars and if you can’t fight, you can’t be a star. So they did things like initiate rules where in most seasons you needed a few pro wins and you had to fight to get into the house. The show airs March through June. White has said it will air in the U.S. as well, but since the show will be in Portuguese, they will have to subtitle it. It’ll most likely be on Fuel. Right now there is no deal worked out as that isn’t part of the FOX contract, but they will be negotiating to get it on Fuel. It will end with a live finale in Brazil on Globo. Belfort and Silva will have a match, likely on PPV in June if all goes well. This will be a rematch as on the first UFC show in Brazil in 1998, Belfort knocked out Silva in 44 seconds. This was before Silva became a huge star in Japan and a rematch has been talked about in UFC for years. The key is Belfort, who is the most well known of all the fighters in Brazil, and the belief he’s the perfect guy to garner attention for the show. Belfort is a mainstream name in Brazil past just being a fighter, for a variety of reasons. Among them is being married to a famous model (that’s the same reason Alex Reid, a mediocre fighter, is probably the best known fighter in the U.K.), the publicity that his sisters kidnapping and death got as a news story years ago, and his own appearance on a popular “Big Brother” show in that country. Belfort would be heavily favored to win the match, and if he beats Johnson and Silva, he would be in line for another middleweight title shot.
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Added to the New Year’s Eve show includes Fedor Emelianenko vs. Satoshi Ishii (4-1-1) and Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Peter Aerts. The Emelianenko vs. Ishii match will headline the show. Ishii won a gold medal in judo as a super heavyweight in the 2008 Olympics. A lot of people have knocked the match in the sense Ishii is hardly a top heavyweight and hasn’t looked impressive, and never did pan out as a draw in Japan to the level everyone expected coming off being an Olympic hero because his personality ended up being a detriment when put in the spotlight. However, for Japan, this ended up being the right match because nobody was interested in putting MMA on network TV in Japan, and now TBS is interested in at least putting this match on. Right now the plan on TBS is that instead of the traditional MMA, they are going to do boxing with Koki Kameda. But there is talk of building the night around boxing and also airing Fedor vs. Ishii. It was also announced that the show will air in the U.S. on HDNet. It’s the first time Emelianenko will have fought in Japan since his match with Choi Hong-man on December 31, 2007. The rules for Aerts vs. Fujita are listed as IGF rules, which would be pro wrestling. Fujita has done both MMA and pro wrestling while Arts has done kickboxing, MMA and pro wrestling. When the show was first announced, they said it would have kickboxing, MMA and pro wrestling matches on it. It’ll be interesting to see what they do during the pro wrestling matches in the U.S., because I don’t see HDNet airing pro wrestling in the middle of an MMA show even if it’s going on during the show. Thus far Aerts vs. Fujita is the only match with pro wrestling rules announced, and no kickboxing matches have been announced. Other matches announced thus far are Shinya Aoki vs. Satoru Kitaoka for the Dream lightweight title, Hiroyuki Takaya vs. Lion Takeshi for the Dream featherweight title, Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Kazuyuki Miyata, a one-night bantamweight tournament with first-round matches of Bibiano Fernandes vs. Rodolfo Marquez Diniz and Masakazu Imanari vs. Antonio Banuelos, plus Hideo Tokoro vs. Yusup Saadulaev and Hayato Sakurai vs. Ryo Chonan. There is also a unique match with Yuichiro Nagashima vs. Katsunori Kikuno. The first round will be three minutes under kickboxing rules. The second round will be five minutes under MMA rules.
Junie Browning, the former TUF bad boy and ratings draw is back in the news for a situation in Thailand that led to a manhunt. What was awesome about this, is Browning would post on Facebook while he was trying to avoid being captured by police. Browning was fired by Dana White in October of 2009 after he took 16 anti-anxiety pills and at the time it was believed he was trying to “harm” himself, was rushed to the hospital and attacked three nurses. Browning, 26, who is 4-5, having lost his last four fights outside the UFC, allegedly beat up on a women in a bar on 12/11 and attacked another woman who tried to intervene. Four others, all tourists from Australia and the U.S. then tried to intervene and in the fight, Browning and the other six all had to be taken to the hospital for treatment, including a man who was 68 years old. While being treated at Patong Hospital in Phuket, Thailand, the police said Browning started fighting with those in the hospital, and then fled the hospital and police were looking for him and informed authorities at the airport to watch out in case he tried to leave the country. Browning then stated on his Facebook page: “Wow, what a helluva weekend? Some pussy named Sie Menzes and about 10 of his friend started a fight with me, I guess just to test a `UFC fighter guy’ at his shitty little bar in Karan, Thailand. Had a beer bottle and glass mug shattered on my head then to make everything better, stabbed severely by some crazy Thai bitch. On a positive note, I managed to break a few orbital bones, at least a couple of jaws and some unconscious bodies laying on the ground before I blacked out from the loss and blood and apparently had to be resuscitated in the ambulance. So how was your weekend?” Later he posted, “Apparently in the news they are saying there were women involved. That is a 100% a crock of shit. The only woman involved was a Thai woman friend of theirs that sliced my forearm open with a six inch blade. At no point was any woman involved. Even at the hospital I was nothing but polite to every member of their staff. Not until a little birdy told me that the person that hit me with the mug was in the next room did I explode. I immediately sprinted over there and knocked him unconscious with one blow. Phuket law enforcement is very corrupt and apparently the guys that jumped me know more people than I do. I have multiple stitches over my head and body. You don’t have to be fucking Stephen Hawkins to realize a woman did not do this to me.”
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I predict a Bruiser Brody end for Junie. Speaking of whom, T have you seen this?

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Nope, never seen that. Looks good though. Crowbar Press has some good shit IIRC.
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In a story that gets stranger by the week, Alistair Overeem’s ordered urine steroid test taken on 12/14 in the United Kingdom came back six days later and he tested negative for all prohibited substances, leading to Dana White immediately getting out word that the 12/30 fight with Brock Lesnar is on.

However, the 12/7 urine test that Overeem submitted to his doctor, Dr. Jan-Jan de Bruijne, for reasons that were not explained, was never tested. The 12/7 test was the first urine test taken. Overeem, ordered by the Nevada State Athletic Commission on 11/17 to take an unannounced steroid test within 48 hours, had flown that day from Las Vegas to Holland, taking off just four hours after the request had been sent to his representative, Collin Lam. Overeem stated that because he flew that day to Holland to be with his mother, a two-time cancer survivor who was diagnosed with suspicious cells and wanted him home, he did not get the message for a few days. Overeem first took a blood test on 11/23, which would not have detected steroid metabolites but would have detected a high testosterone level. His testosterone levels were normal in that test. When the results were sent to the Nevada commission, which received them on 11/30, he was informed that he took the wrong test. Overeem then took the 12/7 test and it was sent to a German lab.

When the commission never got results from the past, Overeem contacted his doctor who told him who sent him this note, which he gave to the UFC, which in turn passed it on to the commission.

The note read:

Dear Alistair

On request: you have asked if your urine sample-that has been sent to the German laboratory, can be retrieved.

The answer is NO. Once a sample has been sent to a lab, I won’t see it anymore. Unless, like in your case, it is sent back by the certified lab in Germany. Whatever and whenever returns will then be disposed, cause after 24 hours a sample is worth nothing! So, after receiving it in my practice, I disposed it.

The code of conduct is that when a sample can’t be used it must be destroyed or disposed.

The urine sample came back on Monday, December 12th and was disposed the day after on Tuesday December 13th, the day I returned to my office.

I hope this info will be sufficient!

Yours sincerely,

Jan-Jan de Bruijne
The official announcement on 12/15 of a new deal with Showtime, Strikeforce and Zuffa included a big grand opening event, the demise of the heavyweight division, and the saving of women’s fighting within the Zuffa organization.

UFC President Dana White was joined by the new Executive Vice President and General Manager of Showtime Sports, Stephen Espinoza, and Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker for the announcement of six to eight events in 2012 along with contractual options to continue the relationship after that point.

The events would essentially merge the two types of shows Strikeforce had been doing. The main shows would continue to run as is in the 10 p.m. time slot on Saturday nights. The Challengers level shows and matches will become the preliminary card for these events, airing in a two-hour window from 8-10 p.m. on Showtime Extreme.

“What we’ve decided to do is consolidate the programming,” said Espinoza, who in a previous life was the attorney for Gina Carano, who formerly fought for Showtime and was one of its biggest draws. “The preliminaries will air on Showtime Extreme prior to the main events that will air on the primary network. Whether they’ll be called Challengers or not is something to be discussed. We thought it was better for the cohesiveness and make it one night of programming and serve MMA fans throughout the evening.”

Coker said the main shows would continue to air on Canada on The Super Channel.

The new deal goes into effect with a 1/7 show from the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, headlined by Luke Rockhold defending the Strikeforce middleweight title against Keith Jardine. Jardine, a longtime UFC light heavyweight name fighter, who was cut in 2010 after a series of losses, is trying to reinvent himself at the age of 36 in his first fight as a middleweight. It will be part of a Showtime free preview weekend so the event will have roughly triple the usual availability of the usual Showtime universe, reaching about 52% of U.S. homes.

White noted that he is going to be hands-on with the project and would be promoting Strikeforce events personally the same way he would UFC events. White had publicly stayed out of the limelight regarding the Strikeforce brand since Zuffa purchased it in March.

The biggest news regarded the heavyweight division, which will disappear from Strikeforce likely by the end of the summer, after likely two more fights. The 2011 heavyweight Grand Prix tournament, delayed several times, will likely be finished on 3/3 in Columbus, OH, with Daniel Cormier vs. Josh Barnett. The match is still not official since Cormier is recovering from a broken hand, but that is the current targeted main event. The winner will fight one more time on Showtime, and then likely move to UFC.

“We’re going to focus on key weight classes and the women’s divisions,” said White. “After this tournament, there will be one more heavyweight fight and then do away with the heavyweight division. The heavyweight division isn’t deep enough. We’ll focus on the weight divisions that are strong.”

“Scott and his crew will run the day-to-day,” said White. “Obviously I’m involved from this side and creatively on the Showtime side. Leading up to the events, I’ll be at the Strikeforce events. When there’s a Strikeforce event on a Saturday, I’ll work on the Showtime events just like if it was a UFC event.”

Strikeforce events will concentrate on six divisions, men’s light heavyweight, middleweight, welterweight and lightweight and women’s featherweight (145 pounds) and bantamweight (135 pounds). No specific details were given, but Coker announced there would be fights to build to create new champions at light heavyweight (vacated when Dan Henderson signed with UFC) and welterweight (vacated when Nick Diaz signed with UFC). There was talk over the weekend that the winner of a 1/7 fight with King Mo vs. Lorenz Larkin would possibly face Gegard Mousasi, who beat Ovince St. Preux on 12/17, to create the light heavyweight champion. Tyron Woodley would be the key guy in the running for the vacant welterweight title.

Women will be focused on because UFC doesn’t have womens’ fighting, so it will be the thing that differentiates Strikeforce and to a degree becomes its calling card because it’ll have access to the best women fighters in the world in those divisions. Women have been a hit-and-miss proposition. Some fight fans have complained about women, with the WNBA references. The success of Cris Cyborg vs. Carano flies in the face of those arguments, but that was a one-time thing and no other woman fighter has come even close to Carano in connecting with the public. Cyborg’s fights, such as her 12/17 win over Hiroko Yamanaka, have not garnered much attention even though she beat Carano. But there have been several examples, the most notable being on 3/5 when Dan Henderson won the light heavyweight title from Rafael Feijao, and the semifinal was Marloes Coenen vs. Liz Carmouche, where the women’s fight drew higher TV ratings than the main event. Sarah Kaufman also did that once, drawing bigger ratings for her No. 2 bout than a male main event, but that was on a Challengers show with an 11 p.m start to where it wasn’t unusual. But in the former case, considering Henderson was one of Strikeforce’s biggest stars, that was notable.

“If Strikeforce had gone away, there would be no women’s fighting,” said White, who noted that the deal was in danger of falling apart due to White and Ken Hershman, who formerly ran Showtime Sports, not being on good terms. “We’re not doing women’s divisions in the UFC right now. Strikeforce offers an opportunity to build new stars, new champions, new contenders and keep the women’s divisions alive. UFC doesn’t have that and wouldn’t have it if Strikeforce went away.”

There had been talk due to depth issues to try and have all the women compete in the same division. If there is a long-term plan, it would seem to be based around Ronda Rousey, who has become the most talked about woman fighter of late. Rousey, a 2008 Olympic bronze medalist in judo, is 4-0, with all four fights ending via armbar in less than one minute. It appears Rousey will be groomed for a shot at bantamweight champion Miesha Tate, and if she was to win that fight, a potential champion vs. champion showdown with Santos, if she also retains her title, would be the biggest women’s match since Santos vs. Carano in 2009. Right now the company has to make the call as to whether Rousey or Kaufman will get the next shot at Tate. Rousey is the more marketable of the two, but there is a sports concern since Kaufman has fought at a higher level, held the title, beat Tate as champion and earned a shot by beating Carmouche.

White noted the change at the top of Showtime Sports was the key in making the deal. White met with Showtime officials in late October where the nuts and bolts of the agreement were put together. There had been a lot of talk that the relationship, and the Strikeforce promotion, would end in early 2012 when the existing contract expired.

“I don’t know,” White said when asked if the deal would have gone through before Espinoza replaced Hershman, who moved on to a similar position at HBO. “Obviously it didn’t go well. It probably wouldn’t have. Me and Ken Hershman aren’t fans. He’s not a fan of me. I’m not a fan of his. I flew out. I like these guys. I cut a deal. Period. End of story.”

No direct answer was given regarding the possibility of Strikeforce lightweight champion Gilbert Melendez, the biggest male star left in the company, or any other potential Strikeforce star champion fighting the UFC champion in their division. But the indications were that Strikeforce and UFC would be kept separate. Melendez, after beating Jorge Masvidal on 12/17, asked for some UFC lightweights to come over to Strikeforce to give him competition.

“Gilbert Melendez is pumped to stay in Strikeforce,” said White. “He’s one of the biggest stars. If he wins this fight, he will continue to defend his belt in Strikeforce and he’s super-pumped.”

White talked about the idea of fans debating who the real No. 1 fighter would be between the UFC and Strikeforce champion, and the possibility that down the lead such debates would include other weight classes and did throw out a hint that a champion vs. champion bout could happen.

“There’s only one way to find out who is better and that’s to fight,” said White, who noted that people already want to see Melendez challenge for the UFC title.

Another key aspect of the deal is it closes the door on a competitor to getting a national paying television deal. Pro Elite, which was once in business with Showtime, was revived as a promotion just when it appeared the Zuffa/Showtime relationship wouldn’t be renewed. There is the belief Showtime considered MMA as valuable programming as far as helping them land new subscribers and whether this deal was made or not, in some form, they would stay in the MMA business.

All three parties made it clear that the one thing they don’t want is for it to appear Strikeforce was a feeder circuit for UFC, which is how many viewed it with its heavyweight division, as well as Henderson and Diaz, the company’s biggest draws of 2011, all now under UFC deals. But the message is already there to the public and Strikeforce interest based on TV ratings in the past few months appears way down from a year ago, so there is a rebuilding process needed, and a lack of the kind of building block fighters with star power currently on the roster like there was a year ago.

“Strikeforce is not a secondary brand,” said Espinoza. “Gilbert Melendez is not a secondary brand fighter. This is a top-tier organization and brand, and it’ll continue to be a top-tier brand.”

“We started our relationship with Showtime in 2007,” said Coker. “It’s far from a feeder league. We’ve had some of the world’s best fighters compete on Showtime and we’ve recorded record ratings.”

“There’s nothing wrong with being a feeder league, but that’s not what this is intended to be,” said White. “We’ve going after the best talent we can possibly find. Wait and see what we do over the next year in Strikeforce. A feeder league is when guys lose, you go down to the minors. If you lose in UFC, you have to go somewhere else and fight. Strikeforce is going to be looking for the best guys in the world, to build guys up as contenders and to win titles, just like we do in UFC. You’ll have knuckleheads who will say it’s a feeder league. It’s not a feeder league. It’s going to be the farthest thing from a feeder league.”
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Abdullah the Butcher, even though he needs a walker to get around, is coming in to All Japan to wrestle on the January tour. In a weird one, they announced Suwama vs. Abdullah as the main event on 1/7 in Kyoto. They announced for Jan. 2 at Korakuen Hall, Butcher & Keiji Muto & Bushi vs. Masa Fuchi & Kikutaro & Black Bushi, and for the next night, Butcher & Kenso vs. Kikutaro & mystery partner.
Devon Nicholson, 29, best known for his lawsuit against Abdullah the Butcher and the WWE, nearly became the first full-time pro wrestler to go into the Olympics. Of course, until the early 90s this wouldn’t have been possible because Yoshiaki Yatsu, who would have had a good shot at being on the Japanese team in 1988 after winning the national championship the year before, was ruled ineligible by the IOC. Aleksey Medvedev, the 6-8, 265-pound Russian giant wasn’t a full-time pro wrestler, but was a pro wrestler in Japan in the early 90s with the PWFG promotion. After that point in time he won a silver medal in the 1996 Olympics as a freestyle superheavyweight and also went in 2000 (as a trivia note, at one point he was slated to appear in an early UFC, also before going to the Olympics, but it fell through). Nicholson, who had just started wrestling competitively the past few months, placed second in the Canadian Olympic trials held on 12/16 and 12/17 in Winnipeg as a superheavyweight in Greco-Roman wrestling. He had qualified for the tournament and won four or five matches in a row before losing to favorite Sunny Dhinsa. He’s now an alternate on the team. Nicholson had a strong amateur background, being Canada’s teenage national champion as a heavyweight in 2001 before turning down college offers and instead going to Calgary to get into pro wrestling, where he had a very controversial underground career. He quit pro wrestling because WWE wouldn’t take him due to Hepatitis C. Nicholson at first was going to stop amateur wrestling since he didn’t quality for the team, due to the expense to stay in the sport and no money in the sport, but as a sport he prefers grappling over wrestling. “I prefer grappling over wrestling as I feel it’s a better test of someone’s fighting ability and there are less rules, which I like. Competing in the trials was just a short term goal.” But he said he will remain active at least until the London Olympics in case Dhinsa is injured since he’s first alternate. The only other thing I can remember was when Brian Keck was under contract to WWE and he competed in the 2004 U.S. Olympic trials and placed, but it was like eighth. He actually got in trouble for that as he never told WWE and they never publicized it. He was based in OVW at the time and they had some good training partners there at the time including Brock Lesnar, Shelton Benjamin and Ron Waterman and they were secretly helping him. I had figured WWE and OVW would publicize that he placed but I guess both were so mad about it that they didn’t acknowledge it and he was cut soon after.
Linda Hogan signed on to do a VH-1 reality show “Relationship Rehab,” trying to repair her strained relationship with 23-year-old Charley Hill. Apparently Linda is mad at him for not being ambitious and getting a well-paying job. I’m not making that up, either. She met him when he was the pool boy for her pool.
And speaking of train wrecks, Chyna is now working as a touring stripper at clubs. Chyna has been asking $5,000 for appearances at wrestling events. In other news, Chyna has no appearances at upcoming wrestling events.
The song “Ric Flair” by Killer Mike was listed by Rolling Stone as one of the 50 best singles of 2011.
Broadcasting and Cable named Dana White its 2011 Sports TV Executive of the Year. Funny it was in 2011 when business was so far down compared to 2010. I could see White getting an award like this in 2006, when they really took off (although for mainstream, they were behind the curve on that and nobody would give a UFC exec an award like that so early in the game), or even in 2008-2010 with the steady growth and PPV records during those years. Even in 2012 if the FOX deal is a big success you could see it. I mean, for what he’s done, he does deserve recognition but it’s just funny this is the year he gets it. It’s not his fault that there were a ton of injuries and it messed up the year, but if an NFL coach wins two Super Bowls back-to-back, comes back with a 9-7 season because most of the key players are hurt, and he’s as good a coach as he was those prior years, that’s probably not the year he gets coach of the year. I’m happy to see him get it just thought it was have been really appropriate last year when they were setting records or the year before due to the success of UFC 100. White did a long interview and said the only time his mouth ever hurt him was when he used the word faggot once (the Loretta Hunt tirade from a few years back). They asked him if PPV was down 50% (it’s not down anywhere close to that amount, probably will end up down 28% but that’s misleading because 33% would be a more realistic total since the calender being how it was meant there were two New Year’s cards this year as opposed to one the year before). He said, “We are down, but not quite that much. We’re in this funk right now. We are in this weird transition from Spike to FOX. If we were deep in our Spike deal, I would be programming a lot of things on the network right now that I am not. So we are in this weird position, between injuries and (the) transition period from Spike to FOX. We’re not concerned. We had a lot of great main events lined up, and the list of injuries is crazy. We lost 10 main events to injury.”
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Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira underwent surgery on 12/17 for the broken arm he suffered from the Kimura applied on 12/10 by Frank Mir. Nogueira had a plate and 16 screws put in his humerus by Dr. Tom Hackett, after suffering a complete break. By not tapping before being injured, Nogueira also suffered damage to both the elbow and shoulder as well as nerve damage, leaving him with little strength in the hand. The nerve damage was also treated and after the surgery, his hand strength started returning.
Brock Lesnar was charged with a variety of hunting violations from a hunting expedition in Medicine Hat, Alberta on November 19, 2010. Lesnar was charged with improper affixation of tags, spoilage of skin and edible flesh (which sounds like killing an animal, in this case a mule deer, and leaving his carcass to rot) and possession of a controlled animal (a whitetail deer) . A hearing took place on 12/15 where the case was continued until 1/19, but on 12/19 Lesnar’s lawyer appeared in court and spoke for him and as part of a plea bargain, he pleaded guilty to improper tagging of an animal and the other two charges were dropped. Lesnar was fined $1,725 and given a six-month hunting suspension in Alberta. Lesnar waw accused of shooting the mule deer and packing the trophy and head out and leaving the rest to rot. It is illegal and considered unethical to leave edible meat in the field. Lesnar, who has a place in Manitoba near his brother Chad, and hunts there often, went to Alberta with Chad Stryker (no relation) as his guide after a Manitoba hunting excursion after losing the Cain Velasquez fight. Lesnar said after the plea was announced he had paid the fine, “In Alberta, Americans can’t hunt without a licensed outfitter (guide). The outfitter is there to make sure you follow the rules. I had two deer tags for the trip, which meant I could legally shoot two deer. On the first day of the trip, I shot a mule deer. On the second day, I shot a white tail. Video from the hunt ha been on the Internet for over a year. Afer I shot the mule deer, I failed to immediately tag it. As far as I was involved, that’s all there is to it. Now it’s resolved. I paid my fine today. It’s the kind of thing that happens to hunters all the time. I want to thank the Canadian authorities for their cooperation in resolving this misunderstanding. I love Canada and I can’t wait to go back to Alberta for a hunt.” Regarding charge of leaving the meat to spoil, he said, “I can’t really tell you anything about it. I understood I couldn’t bring deer meat home with me across the border even if I wanted to, so I trusted the outfitter to property handle it.”
Mirko Cro Cop, whose contract expired here and was not renewed, instead of retiring, has signed for a 3/10 kickboxing match in Zagreb, Croatia. Cro Cop hasn’t fought as a kickboxer since 2003. He originally gained fame in K-1 as a kickboxer in the World Grand Prix, and when the K-1 vs. Pride series of fights were put together by the two organizations, since he had training in takedown defense, he was sent to do MMA fighting and became a big star in that world when he beat Kazuyuki Fujita, who at the time was a high profile pro wrestler. He later beat Bob Sapp in a kickboxing match that drew gigantic TV ratings, which led to MMA fights with the likes of Wanderlei Silva, Fujita and Kazushi Sakuraba.
Now that Mirko Cro Cop is out of his UFC contract, DREAM was trying to get him for New Year’s Eve but with a twist. The idea was to do Jerome LeBanner vs. Cro Cop in a pro wrestling match for the IGF title. Cro Cop has never done a pro wrestling match in Japan, although he did, while under contract with UFC, kick somebody’s brains in during a run-in on a Hustle New Year’s Eve pro wrestling event several years back. It’s not happening because he had surgery on his hand. An MMA match with Tim Sylvia vs. Brett Rogers that was in negotiations for New Year’s Eve fell through because of Rogers’ conviction in beating his wife. They couldn’t get him a working visa for Japan and pulled Sylvia from the show at last word. Two more pro wrestling matches were added to the show, with Kazushi Sakuraba & Katsuyori Shibata vs. Shinichi Suzukawa & Atsushi Sawada and Josh Barnett vs. Hideki Suzuki. A lot of people were really excited about Sakuraba being on the card as a pro wrestler rather than a fighter, as it was assumed he would be. This will be his first pro wrestling match since the first New Year’s Eve show on December 31, 2000. The feeling is Sakuraba is a fixture on the show, and it’s better for him to be doing pro wrestling than in MMA fight at this stage. It’s funny that not only will a Zuffa star (Barnett) be on the New Year’s Eve show but it’ll be airing on HDNet the same night as one of UFC’s biggest PPV shows of the year. It may be near the end of Barnett’s pro wrestling run because if he does move over from Strikeforce to UFC, UFC will no doubt insist on a contract that doesn’t allow him to continue pro wrestling. HDNet has confirmed that they will be showing the card live in its entirely, which means for the first time ever on U.S. broadcast television, Michael Schiavello gets his childhood dream of being a pro wrestling announcer. Well, most don’t know, but he’s the voice of FWE, a New York based indie promotion, doing voiceovers on their DVDs. Also announced have been two kickboxing matches, Yuta Kubo vs. Nils Widlund and Masaaki Noiri vs. Kengo Sonoda, making 16 matches thus far. That breaks down to nine men’s MMA fights, a mixed fight where they do one round of kickboxing and then one round of MMA, one women’s MMA fight, three pro wrestling matches (the third being Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Peter Aerts) and two kickboxing bouts. The show will start at 1 a.m. on the morning on 12/30 (or basically right after UFC 141 ends they are going live to Japan) and it’s scheduled as a nine-hour live show until 10 a.m. Eastern.
While no numbers have been released by Top Rank (and according to those in the company, none will be released), cable sources and reporters both have been listing 600,000 buys as the number for the 12/3 Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito fight. We did get a confirmation from someone who would have the exact numbers that the 600,000 figure is very close. That’s a hell of a sign considering the non-Mayweather and Pacquiao fights on PPV haven’t done well for years. Shows the value of a grudge match. If you take Mayweather, Pacquiao and Oscar De La Hoya out of the equation, nobody has done 600,000 buys for a boxing PPV dating back to the Mike Tyson era.
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Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira underwent surgery on 12/17 for the broken arm he suffered from the Kimura applied on 12/10 by Frank Mir. Nogueira had a plate and 16 screws put in his humerus by Dr. Tom Hackett, after suffering a complete break. By not tapping before being injured, Nogueira also suffered damage to both the elbow and shoulder as well as nerve damage, leaving him with little strength in the hand. The nerve damage was also treated and after the surgery, his hand strength started returning.
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When Dana White called Brock Lesnar in September, and he agreed to fight on 12/30 against Alistair Overeem, White noted that it would be a five-round fight.

Lesnar said, “That’s fine, because it’s not going five rounds.”

Aside from both being two of the most physically impressive heavyweights the sport has ever seen, Overeem (6-foot-4 ½, 255 pounds) and Lesnar (6-foot-3, 270 pounds) have almost nothing in common other than the belief that their battle for the next UFC title shot at Junior Dos Santos will end decisively, and probably quickly.

“I’m prepared for five rounds,” said Overeem (35-11, 1 no contest), “I’ve been doing the five rounds forever now it seems. But looking at myself, the type of fighter that I am, looking at Brock, the type of fighter he is, looking at both our characters, we’re aggressive.

“We’re not the type of guys who back up,” said Overeem, the only man in history to hold a world championship in a major MMA organization and in the premier kickboxing organization at the same time. “We’re fighters. We want to finish fights. And yes, I’m going to be doing that on Dec. 30. I expect him to be doing that, so I don’t see really going past the first or the second round. The second round maximum.”

“I feel the same,” said Lesnar (5-2). “This is a heavyweight fight that we’re both going in to finish. I don’t foresee it going five rounds.”

While statements like that from heavyweights may come across as hyperbole, few expect anything different.

The fight, billed in some places as the best heavyweight striker (Overeem at least has the credentials as the winner of the K-1 World Grand Prix last year, the highest level kickboxing competition in the world) against the best heavyweight wrestler (arguable, but Lesnar, Cain Velasquez and Daniel Cormier are likely the three best heavyweight wrestlers in the sport), is actually pretty simple to handicap, and it comes down to a few questions.

Can Lesnar take Overeem down, keep him there and damage him, mentally break him and finish him from that position? Can Overeem either stop Lesnar’s takedowns, or at least get up from them quickly enough to get enough time standing to get the knockout? Can Overeem catch him on the takedown with a knee or a guillotine?

Any prolonged standing greatly favors Overeem. And after being an eye witness to the Dos Santos title win over Cain Velasquez in just 64 seconds back on 11/12, Lesnar is probably going to be unlikely to fool around for too long standing against a fighter who has finished seven of his last ten opponents in less than two minutes.

Before Overeem’s somewhat disappointing performance in winning a decision over Fabricio Werdum on 6/18, the Dutch Demolition Man hadn’t been to the second round in a fight since 2007. That was back in the days when he was a small heavyweight. With the exception of the Werdum fight, the new Overeem has been a killing machine of domination the likes of which has never been seen at the top ranks of the heavyweight division.

But it’s that streak that has led to the wide dichotomy of viewpoints on Overeem. His supporters label him the best heavyweight in the game, pointing to his quick finishes, and his skill set. His takedown defense as a heavyweight has looked strong. While thought of as primarily a kickboxer, four of his last eight quick wins have come via submission, and with his long but powerful arms, he’s the master of the guillotine. He’s competed at high levels in both submission tournaments and been a world champion in kickboxing.

His detractors say his record of quick finishes is padded, fattened up on cans on the Japanese circuit. His record in submissions and kickboxing shouldn’t count because they are different sports. His takedown defense may look good, but as a heavyweight, the closest thing he’s faced to a wrestler was a past his prime Kazuyuki Fujita, who is world’s away from Lesnar caliber. They point to Werdum as being the only top-15 heavyweight he’s faced in his streak, and he didn’t look impressive there. To be fair, Overeem came into that fight with a broken toe and Werdum’s style of continually dropping to his back to try and bait Overeem into a ground war made it impossible to look good. And they point to his 11 career losses as a sign that when he’s challenged he either gasses or folds. For all of Overeem’s greater experience, Lesnar has fought and beaten a far tougher variety of heavyweight opponents.

Still, Overeem comes in as a 9-to-6 favorite, the first time in Lesnar’s career he’s the underdog. Yet many of the top heavyweights, like Frank Mir and Daniel Cormier, strongly favor Lesnar.

But for all the questions about Overeem, there are just as many about Lesnar.

Lesnar is coming off a long fight with diverticulitis, a disease that has consumed his life for two years and even threatened it at one point. It’s his first fight back since surgery on 5/27. While he says he feels younger, and better than he has in years, the question at 34 is did the disease and time rob him of the speed and physically dominating wrestling that was his most amazing attribute. Plus, his composure after being hit is in question after his last two fights, when he was nearly finished by Shane Carwin, and then was finished by Cain Velasquez.

But he was not himself for those fights, battling through a sluggish training camp due to the disease that he’s grown tired of talking about.

“All I can say is that I’ve had a great camp and this is the best I’ve felt in a long time,” said Lesnar. “If I had to put a percentage on it (how much better he feels), I don’t even know.”

Marty Morgan, who has worked with Lesnar since his college wrestling days, said Lesnar’s strength levels going into this fight are far above what they were while preparing for any of his fights in at least three years.

In Overeem’s weight gain from 224 pounds when he beat Paul Buentello for the Strikeforce title in 2007 to 262 pounds, all of it muscle, when he won the K-1 World Grand Prix one year ago, he’s faced the kind of steroid allegations that Lesnar has heard since college.

This led to a major ordeal in recent weeks. Overeem has a hearing before the Nevada State Athletic Commission after a delay in taking a random test ordered on Nov. 17. He missed the 48 hour deadline because he flew from Las Vegas to Holland to be with his mother and missed getting the message. Then he took the wrong test. Then, when he was informed of that, he took another test. The contents of that test were never analyzed. Finally, on 12/14, he took a test in the U.K., and came up clean. He was also tested on 12/26 when he arrived in Las Vegas, but the results will not come back until next week, which means there is nothing regarding testing that will keep the fight from taking place. But given the scrutiny he’s under and that Overeem knows about all of these dates, his failing the test is highly unlikely.

Lesnar, who unlike most in the sport consumed by the latest gossip, keeps himself isolated for the most part. He doesn’t have Internet. He only has television to watch hunting shows and when it comes to the plethora of MMA on television, he rarely watches, usually just to see fights that one of his friends are in. He only became vaguely aware of any of this on 12/14, and has barely given it a thought.

“I just heard about it yesterday,” he said when talking with him on 12/15.

“I’ve been dealing with the same accusations my whole life, being part of the spotlight and with the Internet and everything nowadays, and being social media–everybody knows everything. It’s part of the lifestyle. It comes with the territory. So I’ve been used to it for many years now. So I don’t even follow as much about what is going on with Alistair.”

Overeem has 47 listed MMA fights and 14 listed kickboxing fights on his record, but said a number of his fights in Holland are not listed and all tolled said he’s had closer to 70 total fights. He learned the sport at the age of 14, because his older brother Valentijn, at the time an early MMA star in Japan, brought him to the gym in Holland, where they specialized in kickboxing. He then picked up the submission game. Due to his last name and his brother’s connections, he started fighting on major shows in Japan at 19. He had a slow rise to the top, really coming into his own about eight years into the sport.

Lesnar, who is 34, three years older than Overeem, has had seven fights, all under a heavy spotlight, the first coming just before his 30th birthday. He had a meteoric rise to the top. He was in a UFC main event in his second pro fight, and won the UFC heavyweight title in his fourth. While those stats are criticized because he got those chances due to his fame as a pro wrestler and his drawing power as a fighter, the fact is his victims list includes Randy Couture, Frank Mir and Shane Carwin, all of who were finished in the second round, should shut up critics who say he didn’t belong in UFC main events. He was hardly a skilled all-around fighter, but a huge, mobile and athletically gifted heavyweight who was able to make his power wrestling work against the top level of competition. While he is inexperienced at MMA, he’s no stranger to physical combat having had hundreds of amateur wrestling matches since his childhood growing up on a daily farm in South Dakota.

The winner goes on to face Dos Santos, likely in the spring. Dos Santos, who predicts Lesnar to take the fight, will start training late this month after having minor knee surgery after tearing the meniscus in his right knee 11 days before his title win over Cain Velasquez.

The loser is quite a different question. Because the loser is likely to be finished handily, in either direction, the loser is going to be treated differently then, say the loser of any other similar level fight. Overeem will still fight and has plenty of opponents in the deepest heavyweight division UFC has ever had. But the aura he built over the last four years will be largely gone because it’ll be two straight lackluster performances against the first two top level heavyweights he faced. Those who labeled him the typical Japanese creation of running over second rate competition will say this proves it, even though Lesnar brings with him certain athletic gifts unique to the sport.

Now that both are in town, and hounded by media, it’s been interesting. When Overeem is asked about being taken down and pounded and can he get up, he tries to change the subject. When Lesnar is asked about Overeem’s superior stand-up, he goes into his shutting down the interview mode. Both know what the other has to offer and while they both may talk big about the other not having a chance, deep down, both know that the other is really good, perhaps even excellent, at a phase of the game that they are not as good at. Lesnar was rocked by Shane Carwin, who probably hits as hard or harder than Overeem, but is nowhere near as quick or efficient when it comes to landing. Overeem may block takedowns of some wrestlers he trains with in Holland, but Lesnar took down Cain Velasquez twice, an All-American wrestler, but couldn’t keep him down, and took down Randy Couture, who was smaller, but wrestled his entire life at a national and international level.

For Lesnar, a loss, because it’s very likely to be a knockout quick, would put a lot into question. It would probably end him as a mega draw. Lesnar has money and he doesn’t come across like someone like Chuck Liddell, who was willing to fight and lose, whether he needed the money or not, until the office told him he had to stop. There is the out that he came back too early after surgery, something people how have had similar operations have questioned. But it’s going to be tough for him to use it when he’s talked about feeling the best he has in years. If he loses, and thus is out of the title chase for a while, and at his age, it could be it, suddenly means his drawing power and money goes down. Does he want to fight for $1 million after fighting for $3 million? These are questions only he can answer. Plus, he’s got that big WrestleMania payoff once his contract is up, but losing here hurts that because he could go from being the pro wrestler who conquered UFC returning to the guy who washed out and returned.

In reality, there is no shame in losing to either guy, but Overeem can stand the loss and build back from it better than Lesnar, because Overeem’s way of winning, penetrating Lesnar’s standing defense quickly, will make Lesnar not look good. There’s a difference in perception about being beaten up while looking bad standing, and in being taken down by a power wrestler and not being able to get up, and losing that way.

The complete lineup for the show has facebook prelims with Manny Gamburyan vs. Diego Nunes in a battle of top featherweights, Luis Ramos vs. Matt Riddle, the return of former TUF champion Efrain Escudero vs. former University of Minnesota All-American wrestler Jacob Volkmann and Dong Hyun Kim vs. Sean Pierson. In the final live UFC action on Spike TV, for one hour at 9 p.m., Danny Castillo faces kickboxer Anthony Njokuani which sounds like a good fight, and former TUF champion Ross Pearson faces Junior Assuncao.

The live PPV, moved back to 10 p.m., has Jim Hettes vs. Nam Phan, a potential major light heavyweight star in Alexander Gustafsson facing aging Vladimir Matyushenko, Jon Fitch vs. Johny Hendricks, Cowboy Donald Cerrone vs. Nick Diaz and Overeem vs. Lesnar

Fitch vs. Hendricks is notable because Fitch uses a mostly wrestling oriented grinding style in his fights, but Hendricks was a two-time NCAA champion wrestler, who may negate that style and be able to stop his takedowns. Fitch can strike, but is content to win in the most efficient manner which has both given him one of the best records in UFC history (13-1-1) and made his the first name people mention when the subject of boring fighters is brought up. Hendricks can strike as well, has an 11-1 overall record (8-1 in WEC and UFC competition with the only loss via decision to Rick Story), and can match Fitch for conditioning. If Fitch wins, he should be in line for a shot at the interim title and the winner between Carlos Condit and Nick Diaz on 2/4 (although with an impressive performance on 2/4, that could also go to Josh Koscheck). A win would move Hendricks into being in the top ten mix.

Cerrone vs. Diaz is being marketed as a grudge match from almost out of ROH. At some point in the past few months, Cerrone approached Diaz to shake his hand in late October when Diaz was talking to Cerrone’ s best friend, Leonard Garcia. Diaz blew him off, and Cerrone said it was a punk move. Cerrone said that he wanted to fight him right then and there, but at this stage of his life as a pro fighter, he doesn’t want to be in a street fights. Cerrone said that until that episode, he admired the Diaz brothers and thought they were like him, guys who are willing to throw down and fight. He believes he has better striking, better Jiu Jitsu and better wrestling than Diaz, and said if the fight goes to the ground, it’ll only be because he put him there.

Diaz said he didn’t want to be phony by shaking hands with a top guy in his division who he thought there was a good chance he would have to fight. With a win, Cerrone would put himself as the clear cut top contender for the Frankie Edgar vs. Ben Henderson winner, and Cerrone would prefer it be Henderson because of their past history, even though the two started in the sport together and were at one point good friends. The story of Henderson vs. Cerrone III, after their two WEC matches (the first a decision won by Henderson that could have gone either way in one of the great fights in history; the second a quick guillotine win) as a UFC title match would be something, since many expected the WEC lightweights would all be exposed as prelim level guys when they came to UFC. If Diaz wins, he would be in a mix with a few fighters like Clay Guida, Jim Miller, Sam Stout, Melvin Guillard and Joe Lauzon as far as facing the Edgar vs. Henderson winner.
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The death of North Korean dictator Kim Jong II from a heart attack on 12/17 at the age of 69 brings back his brief involvement in pro wrestling and the largest attended event in history.

In 1995, Kim Jong II worked out a deal with Antonio Inoki for two straight nights of shows at the 150,000 seat May Day Stadium in Pyongyang, North Korea, on April 28 and April 29.

It was an event where most of the people who were in attendance had to be there, although foreigners did have to pay high prices for tickets. There was paid attendance, but it was likely very small. Inoki, who was in charge of New Japan Pro Wrestling, also worked out a deal with WCW and Eric Bischoff, and All Japan Women. The idea was to build to an Inoki vs. Hulk Hogan match with Muhammad Ali attending, that would be the record setting match historically. Hogan turned down the gig. At the time it was because he didn’t want to do the job for Inoki, and perhaps wanted no part of the North Korea deal. Ric Flair was the replacement. The show drew more people than the stadium capacity, and the real number was approximately 165,000 to 170,000 people (the announced attendance was 190,000, the figure that has been used in most places ever since).

Pro wrestling was the lead event of the Pyongyang International Sports and Culture Festival for Peace, almost a scaled-down version of an Olympic Festival. The festivities included other sporting events like gymnastics, dancing and martial arts and scary rallies with children proclaiming their allegiance to Kim Jong II, and his late father, the former President of North Korea.

Ali was there both nights. The North Koreans, totally unfamiliar with pro wrestling to the point that before both shows they did introductory pieces on what pro wrestling rules were on the giant screen. The event was built around the idea Ali was going to be there, promoted as the most famous athlete in the world, which he may have been at the time. It was also pushed around Rikidozan, a North Korean native who was pushed as being the biggest pro wrestling star of all-time (he was in Japan, but probably not worldwide, but he was almost surely the single most influential pro wrestler in history). Kim Jong II tried to present Rikidozan as a figure for national pride of North Korea, regarding how this was a sport where a North Korean was the biggest star in its history. When Rikidozan was alive, it was kept a secret from the Japanese people that he was actually Korean, and a back story was created where his name was Mitsuhiro Momota and he was Japanese. It was only long after his death that it was revealed in Japan that he was Korean. Inoki, who was Japanese, was presented as a key part of the promotion, since he made the deal, and he was promoted as the greatest living pro wrestler, who was a protege of Rikidozan (which is true, as Rikidozan scouted and brought Inoki, a national high school shot put champion living in Brazil, back to Japan to be along with Giant Baba and Kintaro Oki as the three men who would carry the pro wrestling industry after Rikidozan’s career ended.

This was the first and only meeting of Inoki and Flair, two of the most legendary wrestlers. Inoki won with an enzuigiri in what was the 52-year-old Inoki’s best match in a few years. The matches were mostly kept short because of both time constraints and the belief the fans, knowing nothing about pro wrestling, would lose interest in longer matches. The event received worldwide publicity and at the time both Inoki and Kim Jong II said publicly they would promote a similar event the next year, but no future event took place.

The first night, which drew almost 150,000 fans, was headlined by a 20:00 draw between Scott Norton and Shinya Hashimoto. North Koreans, generally a small race, marveled at seeing the 290 pound Hashimoto and the nearly 350 pound Norton, particularly Norton, since most had never seen anyone in their lives who remotely looked liked him. The two received a huge standing ovation after doing a 20:00 draw.

Reuters, which covered the event worldwide, ridiculed it, saying that “if those who were packed in the stadium and millions more watching on live television hoped to see world-class athletes in action, the exhibition of carefully choreographed Japanese professional wrestling may have come as a shock.” They noted that the first match, where Yuji Nagata beat Tokimitsu Ishizawa (who later became Kendo Ka Shin) in a battle of former Japanese national amateur champions, may have looked convincing, but stated “the womens’ tag match that followed (Bull Nakano & Akira Hokuto beating Manami Toyota & Mariko Yoshida) “left no doubt the event was something other than sport.” In actuality, it was the women who had the best match on the show, and even while ridiculing it, Reuters did say that the crowd was in awe of the women’s match.

They loaded the shows for the most part with real workers except for the main events who were there the first night to be big men hitting hard and impressing people with size, and the second night pitting the two legends against each other. The first night after the first two matches had Hiroshi Hase pin Wild Pegasus (Chris Benoit), who were two of the best in the world at the time, followed by Masahiro Chono & Hiro Saito over El Samurai & Tadao Yasuda, Too Cold Scorpio over Shinjiro Otani (Otani broke his nose early and the match was stopped at 2:37 which was not the planned ending) and Kensuke Sasaki pinned Masa Saito.

The second night saw Saito over Nagata, Black Cat over Samurai, Pegasus beat Scorpio, Norton & Chono beat Akira Nogami & Takayuki (now Takashi) Iizuka, Road Warrior Hawk pinned Yasuda, the Steiner Brothers beat Hase & Sasaki (a rematch of the 1992 Match of the Year), Hokuto pinned Nakano and Inoki pinned Flair in 14:52.

The Americans on the tour, Bischoff, Flair and Norton have talked and written extensively of their uneasy experience, being followed everywhere and the experiences of being in the type of dictatorship they had never seen before. For all the thrills of performing before the biggest crowds ever, most did not talk about the experience as being positive.

The biggest story was behind the scenes at the hotel. Sasaki, at the time a top star with New Japan, and Hokuto, who was arguably the biggest woman wrestling star in the world (world champion in Mexico and considered the most respected star in Japan as well) had never met. They met, went out on their first date, and were engaged by morning. As crazy as that story was at the time, who would have thought that 16 years later, their marriage would have survived? Apparently the walls were thin in the hotel because in talking with a few people who were there, who didn’t know about the engagement, did note that they had heard sounds from the two of them late that first night.
The Japanese tradition of MMA on New Year’s Eve may be dead to the mainstream this year, but an attempt to hang on by a thread is the best description of the 12th annual event on 12/31 at the Saitama Super Arena.

This will be the first year since the first event on December 31, 2000, where it is not on network television in Japan, at least at press time, after last year’s show on TBS only did a 9.8 rating, down 45% from the number in the similar time slot a year earlier. That told Japanese television officials at TBS that the one-time tradition, which attracted more peaked in 2003 with 54 million viewers watching Bob Sapp vs. Akebono, was dead. No other network went to pick up the pieces even if the programming had been the strongest counter programming in the history of Japanese TV in the past for the annual New Year’s Eve concert, and New Year’s Eve in Japanese culture is the biggest television night of the year.

The Dream promotion and Antonio Inoki were working together, hoping that by putting together Fedor Emelianenko vs. 2008 Olympic judo super heavyweight gold medalist Satoshi Ishii, that TBS, which is already airing pro boxing, would reconsider and at least air the main event. It was hoped that the airing would at least open a small window for MMA, and that a good rating for a match that would have done gigantic numbers three years ago would open the window wider. Instead, like so many organizations that have paid seven figures for Emelianenko with the thought he was a loss-leader to build a brand off, it’s only going to put them ever deeper in debt.

Ishii was positioned a few years ago to be the savior. A Japanese heavyweight gold medalist, still in his athletic prime (Ishii won gold at 21, and he’s now only 25), on paper sounded great in a country where past their prime medalists like Hidehiko Yoshida and Naoya Ogawa, neither of who were ever really top level fighters, were big draws. But Ishii’s personality didn’t connect. The more visible he was, the less shine and interest he had. Ishii vs. Yoshida, supposed to be the changing of the guard, on December 31, 2009, did a 24.3 rating and 26 million viewers for the match itself. But it was a flop because the aging Yoshida beat Ishii in a mostly standing match. Last year, Ishii vs. Jerome LeBanner, not promoted as the main event, was still the peak rating with a 14.3 and 15 million viewers, a big drop from the prior year. But even though Ishii beat a legendary fighter, it was a terrible match. Ishii just took the then 38-year-old LeBanner down and held him there. The fans turned on Ishii during the fight and he lost for winning. While LeBanner did nothing, the fight led to a career rebirth for him as a pro wrestler, and he goes into the show as the IGF world champion, and will face former UFC champion Tim Sylvia in a pro wrestling match on the unique show.

The show is going to be a financial catastrophe between Emelianenko doesn’t come cheap, no television money, and sponsorship money without television will be limited. Dream is already hanging by a thread financially and this isn’t going to make things easier. Aside from Emelianenko, the show doesn’t have any big money fighters. UFC wouldn’t allow its Strikeforce guys to go. And the biggest money name foreigners, Josh Barnett (whose Strikeforce contract was tailored differently and allows him to do pro wrestling in Japan and UFC hasn’t signed him to a new deal yet), LeBanner and Peter Aerts are all doing pro wrestling, where they can use them for name value but don’t have to pay them nearly as much. But historically, mixing pro wrestling and MMA fights on the same show hasn’t worked in Japan since the 90s RINGS era when the audience often wasn’t sophisticated enough to tell the difference and saw it as all the same. Today, they are different animals. It would be one thing if the pro wrestling matches involved superstar pro wrestlers who could have good matches, and even then it’s a stretch. But instead, it’s more using a mix of aging fighters and some Inoki proteges. The only positive is that people like Aerts, LeBanner and especially Kazushi Sakuraba are welcome parts of the show, and at this stage don’t need to be doing real matches. Bob Sapp, who walked out on last year’s show over demanding he get paid in advance (since he was aware the company was broke and they were late, sometimes by more than a year, in paying), one of the biggest stars of New Year’s Eve in Japan, is not on this year’s show. What will be interesting is the commentary. Lead announcer Michael Schiavello is a huge pro wrestling fan, with his hero being Gorilla Monsoon, and has said he’s excited to be able to call the wrestling part of the show. But it’s still a weird mix, even for Japan, and one that won’t be understood as to why it’s happening by U.S. viewers.

Ironically, the show will air live on U.S. television in a window that could go as long as nine hours, starting at 1 a.m. Eastern, and 10 p.m. Pacific on HDNet, coming right after the conclusion of UFC 141.

*Emelianenko vs. Ishii - Emelianenko would be the heavy favorite here, as Ishii has shown little stand-up and Emelianenko came from judo. While he’s not near Ishii’s level in that sport, he has enough knowledge to avoid a lot of the offensive moves and still has his punching power, as noted by hurting Dan Henderson before losing. If Ishii wins, even ugly, it may help him, because unlike last year, the masses won’t see the fight, only read about the result. Emelianenko had a headache coming in as his flight was delayed coming to Japan by ten hours, causing him to miss some publicity work set up for him to do.

*Ryo Chonan vs. Hayato Sakurai. This is a battle of older former welterweight stars. Chonan is best known for his ring entrance. He also beat Anderson Silva with one of the most spectacular finishes ever, a flying scissors takedown into a heel hook, at the 2004 New Year’s Eve show. At the time it didn’t mean that much because it was before Anderson Silva became a big star. Sakurai has lost four in a row, and it’s been nearly ten years since he challenged Matt Hughes for the UFC welterweight title. Chonan beat Sakurai via blood stoppage eight years ago.

*Shinya Aoki vs. Satoru Kitaoka for the Dream lightweight title - Aoki is a New Year’s Eve fixture, having been on every show since 2006. Last year was an embarrassment. He faced cross-dressing kickboxer Yuichiro Nagashima, who has now become a pro wrestler with K-1 taking a big fall. Aoki ran and stalled through the kickboxing round. Aoki figured to takedown and submit Nagashima during the MMA round, and instead was knocked out in four seconds when he shot for a takedown and got kneed in the face. Before that, he had never lost on New Year’s Eve. He got immediate submissions on Eddie Alvarez, Joachim Hansen and Mizuto Hirota. Kitaoka is a former champion with Sengoku, and has 48 pro fights in a 12-year-career.

*Yuichiro Nagashima vs. Katsunori Kikuno. This is the mixed match, where they open with a three minute match under kickboxing rules. If it doesn’t end, they switch to smaller gloves and do a five minute MMA match. If it goes the distance, it will be ruled a draw.

*Hiroyuki Takaya vs. Lion Takeshi for the featherweight title. Takaya beat Bibiano Fernandes to win the title in last year’s official main event via decision. But he then went to the U.S. and lost a decision to relative unknown Robbie Peralta on a Strikeforce show in another sign of Japanese champions not doing well in the U.S. He had been signed in 2008 by WEC to build up a fight with Urijah Faber, but ended up going 0-2 and was cut. Takeshi held the championship in this weight in Shooto in 2006 and 2007, and again from 2008 to 2010 when he lost to current UFC fighter Hatsu Hioki.

*Tatsuya Kawajiri vs. Kazuyuki Miyata. These are two Japanese fixtures. Kawajiri is usually an exciting fighter. He’s moved to featherweight after losing to Aoki for the Dream lightweight title and then to Gilbert Melendez for the Strikeforce belt. Miyata is a 2000 Olympic freestyle wrestler known as Little Hercules because of his physique. He’s only 11-8, most recently losing to Takaya, but he’s popular because he brings German suplexes to the MMA world.

*There is a tournament to crown the Dream bantamweight title, with the semifinals and finals. Rodolfo Marques Diniz of Brazil, who is 14-1, faces Fernandes, who has moved down a weight in the first semi. The second has Masakazu Imanari, the leglock specialist, facing former WEC fighter Antonio Banuelos.

*Hideo Tokoro vs. Yusup Saadulaev. Tokoro (30-24-1), lost to Banuelos in the tournament that they hoped he would win. Tokoro is one of Japan’s most popular fighters because he was always going for submissions and could make his MMA fights almost like a RINGS style pro wrestling match. Plus, he was the protege of Akira Maeda. He’s also like Sakuraba, a New Year’s Eve fixture, on every show since 2005, with a draw with Royce Gracie (where he was giving up 48 pounds), beating Royler Gracie, losing to the much larger pro wrestler Kiyoshi Tamura, losing to another pro wrestler in Daisuke Nakamura, and last year beating Kazuhisa Watanabe. If there is an injury to a winner of one of the bantamweight tournament fights, and Tokoro wins, don’t be surprised to see him in the finals as this is a reverse match.

*Megumi Fujii vs. Karla Benitez - This is actually only the second woman’s fight on New Year’s Eve shows. Fujii is 24-1, with her only loss via close decision to the much larger Zoila Gurgel. At 37, she’s still considered one of the best female fighters in the world.

*Yuta Kubo vs. Nils Widlund and Masaaki Noiri vs. Kengo Sonoda are two kickboxing matches in the 139-pound weight class. Noiri was a former high school champion who beat Hiroya and won the high school tournament that ended on the 2009 show.

*Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Peter Aerts in pro wrestling. Fujita is an experienced pro wrestler better known as an MMA fighter, who held the IWGP title when New Japan was in the phase of making shooters world champions. Aerts is a kickboxing legend, a three-time K-1 World Grand Prix champion who has been wrestling on Inoki’s shows this year.

*Kazushi Sakuraba & Katsuyori Shibata vs. Atsushi Sawada & Shinichi Suzukawa. Sakuraba was in a pro wrestling match on the first New Year’s Eve show, and has fought, between injuries, on six others. He nearly lost his ear against Mariusz Zaromskis last year and at 42, thankfully he’s doing pro wrestling. Shibata was part of the New Japan plan to be one of the three big stars with Hiroshi Tanahashi and Shinsuke Nakamura, but quit the promotion and wound up in MMA, where he was a star, but did not do well. Suzukawa was Inoki’s choice to be his new pushed star after he gained fame for being kicked out of sumo for smoking pot, which is not thought of well in Japanese society.

*Josh Barnett vs. Hideki Suzuki. Suzuki is Inoki’s current choice as the top Japanese star of the IGF. One would think Barnett would be on his way out and it would be his role to put him over. But who knows what being on U.S. TV as part of an MMA presentation will mean.

*LeBanner vs. Sylvia. Sylvia was originally to face Brett Rogers in an MMA fight, but Rogers was not allowed into Japan due to his felony plea in a domestic assault case. Sylvia will be doing his second pro wrestling match in Japan, having faced Barnett a few months back. LeBanner is the current IGF champion, but this will be a non-title match .
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The subject of the fastest knockout in UFC history has just gotten more complicated.

Korean Zombie Chan Sung Jung’s knockout of Mark Hominick on 12/10 in Toronto, listed at seven seconds, tied the listed record set by Todd Duffee over Tim Hague on August 29, 2009, in Portland. While the Zombie knockout likely spurred this on, it is not listed as the record.

Dana White on 12/24 announced that UFC would list the January 16, 2006, knockout by Duane “Bang” Ludwig over Jonathan Goulet as the all-time record, listing it as a four second knockout. Ludwig had campaigned for the record for years, as a slow on the draw timekeeper listed it as 11 seconds. Clearly, that time was not accurate, but to get four seconds you have to violate every rule of timing matches. However, Joe Rogan has been pushing for a change to four seconds for years, and when Chan scored his knockout two weeks ago, on the air when they brought up how it tied the record, Rogan blew it off saying Ludwig should own the record.

This led to a youtube video being made of all three fights. In the video, if you watch them at what is claimed to be the same starting point, it appeared the quickest to end was the Ludwig fight. After watching that video, I had Ludwig vs. Goulet timed at 6.39 seconds, Chan vs. Hominick at 6.41 seconds and had timed Duffee vs. Hague that night at 6.87 seconds. Where four seconds came in was that the week of the Ludwig vs. Goulet fight, the actual punch and Goulet going down was at four seconds. However, there is some controversy regarding that youtube video which came without sound. The night of the fight in 2006, we reported it was four seconds when Goulet went down and he was finished, but it was eight seconds when Yamasaki waved it off. So from a legitimate standpoint, you can’t reinvent your time based on what you think the ref should have done or the moment the guy goes down, but the earliest you can’t stop your watch until the ref stops the fight. The timekeeper was off.

Keith Kizer of the Nevada State Athletic Commission spoke with us months ago on this subject, before the Chan vs. Hominick fight. Since then he evidently watched the fight as it was, and not the youtube version, and said he timed the stoppage at 7.9 seconds, noting it wasn’t 11 seconds nor 4 seconds. On 12/26, Kizer, whose commission oversees the match, stated as far as the commission is concerned, the match is 11 seconds, saying he doesn’t know of a legal way to overturn an official time of a fight, even with conceding that time was off. But eight seconds would still only be third place all-time.
Chris Taylor, a 1972 Olympic wrestling celebrity who signed a lucrative contract with Verne Gagne to be a pro wrestler in 1973, will be inducted into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame in Stillwater, OK, in June.

Taylor got as much hype coming into pro wrestling as anyone of his era, but that didn’t translate into getting over as a major star. His career was shortened by major health issues, and he died in 1979, at the age of 29. Taylor, at 6-5 and 412 pounds, was, at the time, the heaviest man in any sport ever to compete in the Olympics when there was no weight limit on the super heavyweight division in wrestling.

While looking like a blob, Taylor was actually a decent technical wrestler unlike most of the 350-plus pounders of that era. But his success ushered in an era of 400-pound heavyweights who had little technical skill and had boring matches, but were so hard to move that they won most of their matches except when matches with elite caliber wrestlers. It got so bad that in the early 80s, the NCAA imposed a 285 pound limit on the division, with the idea that at the time, nobody over 285 pounds in wrestling shape would be considered a top athlete. The Olympics also followed by having a top limit to the heavyweight division at 286 pounds for similar reasons.

Taylor was also amazingly quick considering his look, as he was able to run the 100 in 13 seconds (clips of this aired on television in that era all the time so it’s not something made up) . In 1970, while attending Muskegon (MI) Community College, he placed fourth in the world in Greco-Roman wrestling, an amazing feat since the U.S. was not a Greco-Roman power and he hadn’t even wrestled at the Division I level yet. He got a scholarship to Iowa State in 1971, and with his size, and the Olympics upcoming, he garnered more publicity as a college wrestler than anyone before, or after.

The 1972 Olympics, which ended up being notable due to the massacre that took place where several members of the Israeli team were kidnapped and killed, was the height of the U.S. vs. Russia athletic war. In every sport where there was a Russian star, the media created a U.S. contender, with Taylor and Dan Gable as wrestlers heavily promoted as having chances to beat Russians and win gold medals.

Because of Taylor and Gable, wrestling historians say there was more publicity and awareness of amateur wrestling in 1972 than at any time in the history of the sport in the U.S. Before the Olympics, Taylor had his first season at Iowa State in 1971-72, and lived up to the hype as an unbeaten national champion, one of the most dominant heavyweights of all-time, setting a superheavyweight record for pinning percentage.

He then won the national championship, followed by the Olympic trials in both freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling. Everything was built around his freestyle showdown with 35-year-old Aleksander Medved, who had won gold medals in 1964 and 1968 along with seven previous world titles and was considered at the time (and many still consider him today) as the greatest freestyle super heavyweight of all-time.

Taylor won his first four matches, and met Medved in the semifinals. It was one of those Olympic games deals that people talked about for years. Medved, who weighed 242 pounds, was trying to stall because Taylor had so much size on him. However, the referee then ordered a penalty point taken against Taylor for stalling and that was the difference as Medved won gold and Taylor ended up with the bronze medal. The call was so controversial the referee was then banned from officiating the rest of the Olympics, but even though the U.S. protested the call, the IOC would not order a rematch or reverse the decision.

After the Olympics, the referee was banned from ever officiating internationally and later admitted it was a bad call and that he made it because he felt sorry for the legendary Medved because of the size disadvantage.

After freestyle was over, Taylor also competed in Greco-Roman wrestling at that Olympics. After pinning his first opponent, he faced Wilfred Dietrich of Germany, also one of the greatest heavyweights who ever lived (and who also later became a pro wrestler in Europe). In one of the most famous moments in the history of amateur wrestling, and a photo that was without question in the 70s and 80s one of most remembered sports photos anywhere in the world from that era, Dietrich gave Taylor a belly-to-belly overhead suplex and pinned him in 3:14, knocking him out of competition. It was the first time Taylor had been pinned in many years, and also the last time.

He came back to Iowa State as a major celebrity for his senior year in 1973, going unbeaten and winning his second national title.

He then signed what was reported at the time as a four-year contract for $100,000 per year (gigantic money for an athlete at the time. I would not vouch for that figure being accurate given what wrestlers were earning in that era. But a ton of major media covered the signing and that was the figure listed) with Gagne. The signing got a ton of national publicity and Taylor’s debut in Omaha was carried as a national news story, but it only drew 1,400 fans.

One of his first matches, against Mad Dog Vachon in Chicago and later a two-ring Battle Royal (won by Patera) aired on ABC’s Wide World of Sports and had to be along with the Muhammad Ali pro wrestling matches with Kenny Jay and Buddy Wolff a few years later, the most watched widely seen pro wrestling matches on television of the 70s in the U.S. You haven’t lived until you hear the great Jim McKay call a pro wrestling match from a sold out Ampitheatre in Chicago. “That’s real blood coming from the nose of Chris Taylor, but Mad Dog Vachon really isn’t choking him over the ropes.”

Taylor wrestled a lot against Ric Flair as a rookie, when Flair was a prelim heel in the AWA. But even though Taylor drew huge crowds as an amateur and was as famous as almost any pro wrestler, he didn’t connect as a pro wrestler. I don’t remember him doing anything impressive other than he was a gigantic person, but he wasn’t as physically imposing as Andre the Giant, while Haystacks Calhoun had a better idea of how to work the gimmick.

Gagne scouted the 1972 Olympics in Munich, looking to build the AWA around a young babyface crew. The one who ended up making it as a major star was Ken Patera. Patera was in the national spotlight before the Olympics as much if not more than Taylor because of his bombastic personality and because Vasily Alekseyev, his Russian rival for the gold, had competed in the U.S. and was a well known sports figure in this country being the first man to ever clean and jerk 500 pounds. Patera later became the first American to accomplish that feat and the super heavyweight weightlifting competition was built around the two of them clashing for the gold (Alekseyev won, Patera bombed out failing to lift his opening weight and didn’t place).

The others Gagne pursued hard were shot putter Brian Oldfield (who placed sixth), with his almost Superstar Graham like physique and long blond hair and unusual quickness for a man of his size as he used to do a gimmick where he’d race the top women sprinters; boxer Duane Bobick (who was pushed hard before the games as the gold medal favorite. Bobick beat Larry Holmes in the Olympic trials to make the U.S. team. In 1971, he easily beat the co-gold medal favorite Teofilo Stevenson to win the Pan American Games. At the Olympics, he drew Stevenson in his second fight, and with the fight even going into the final round, Stevenson knocked him out and Bobick placed 5th), who Gagne was the highest on because he was from Minneapolis, his home city, and thought he could build around as the top babyface; and Taylor.

Oldfield wanted to continue in track although he did a few years later agree to go into pro wrestling when pro track dried up and he saw how much Patera was earning, but didn’t like it and quit in camp. Bobick at one point must have agreed to come as there were national newspaper stories about Bobick also signing a big money contract to be a pro wrestler and Gagne saying he’s a natural main event marquee hero. But boxing promoters, seeing dollar signs in Bobick as a white hope heavyweight, talked Bobick out of signing the deal and he went into pro boxing. He became a name heavyweight fighter during the 70s, being groomed with a 38-0 record and 32 knockouts while avoiding many of the top heavyweights of the era. When it came time for his title shot at champion Ken Norton in 1977, he was destroyed quickly. Patera ended up becoming one of the biggest pro wrestling stars of the era.

The initial idea by Gagne was to put Taylor & Patera together as the Olympic tag team (the same idea All Japan eventually did with Jumbo Tsuruta & Yoshiaki Yatsu in the 80s) to feud with Ray Stevens & Nick Bockwinkel over the tag titles, but the team really never went anywhere. Taylor was booked less and less after the initial interest of him coming to towns the first time wore off.

In 1977, the contract expired and that’s when his career ended. By that time he was more than 500 pounds and had significant health problems. He died of complications from phlebitis, kidney failure and hepatitis.

My biggest memory involving Taylor was not his match with Dietrich or Medved, the latter that the whole country was watching because it was promoted so heavily, or the times I saw him live including battling Andre in a Battle Royal, but right after he died.

It was when Billy Robinson eulogized him on AWA television. Robinson, who trained him for pro wrestling, was in tears going over how Chris was only 22 when he went to the Olympics and not yet in his prime, and was going over his accomplishments when the director gave him the “wrap up” cue because Robinson was talking a long time. Robinson snapped on television, saying, “Don’t you ever tell me to wrap up when I’m talking about Chris Taylor.”
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Miwako Nomura, 21, a star college softball player in Japan who was actually considered someone who could have made the Olympic team in that sport, passed away on 12/16 in pro wrestling training. It is believed her death was due to a stroke or an aneurism. Nomura has complained the day before to her parents of bad headaches and went to her wrestling training under Hikaru for the new Happy Hour Women’s Wrestling promotion. While she and the other trainees were warming up, she collapsed, and was rushed to the hospital. The belief was she suffered a stroke and underwent emergency brain surgery and passed away. Nomura quit softball, where she was considered one of the best pitchers in Japanese collegiate softball, before this season, as well as giving up her shot at being on the 2012 Olympic team because she wanted to become a pro wrestler.
Sean Waltman, who many expected to be in WWE as part of HHH’s new developmental program, likely saw his chances to get that position hurt when he was arrested on 12/21 on three counts related to drug possession. Waltman, 39, was arrested in Hillsborough, FL, at 1:03 p.m. and charged with possession of Hydrocodone (Vicodin), possession of Hydromorphone (Dilauded), the latter an extremely strong pain killer as well as possession of drug paraphernalia. He was released on $2,150 bond. Waltman wrote that he had learned he had a warrant out for something from a few months back but said he couldn’t elaborate more.
James “Kamala” Harris, 61, is going to need a second amputation of more of his leg due to diabetes. It was the leg that he already had his foot amputated on a few months back.
Tyson Tomko, who was arrested on 10/10 and charged with robbing a CVS store for Oxycodone, and he was later found in a bathroom at a restaurant with fresh needle marks and blood coming from his arms and admitted shooting them up, has one month left of intensive drug rehab as paid for by WWE. His attorney, James McCune, told the St. Augustine Record that Tomko, 38, had been addicted to opiates due to all the injuries he suffered in wrestling to his knees and shoulders. He has a 1/3 arraignment scheduled on the charges and a plea bargain deal is currently being negotiated. After he leaves the rehab facility in January, he will have six more months of outpatient treatment.
Another former Olympian now in pro wrestling is Jeff Cobb, who represented Guam in the 2004 Olympics, losing twice and not placing. Cobb, now a high school wrestling coach in Hawaii, is the champion for the Honolulu-based Action Zone Wrestling promotion and uses the name Mr. Athletic. Cobb was Guam’s flag bearer at the Olympics in Athens, but lost two matches and didn’t place. He did win gold medals representing Guam in 2006 at the Micronesian Games and in 2007 at the Oceania Wrestling Championships in New Zealand.
Some new books that will be released soon. “Hacksaw: The Jim Duggan Story” is the autobiography of Jim Duggan, co-written by Scott Williams of the Observer for a release timed for WrestleMania season. “Gatekeeper: The Fighting Life of Gary Goodridge” is a paperback release out in February. “The King of New Orleans: How the Junkyard Dog Became Professional Wrestling’s First Black Superhero” is a paperback set for a June release. The book scares me because in the synopsis is noted that “by 1985, New Orleans was one of the hottest cities in the Mid-South for pro wrestling due in large part to the Junkyard Dog.” JYD probably peaked in New Orleans in 1981 and 1982. The loss to Mr. Wrestling II in New Orleans that took the edge off him in that city. They had a rule that you don’t beat the Dog in New Orleans per Ernie Ladd. But they wanted to push II as a heel and he beat Dog with a loaded kneelift. But Dog didn’t bend over, so the knee looked bad and people groaned when he laid down for three on a blow that didn’t hit and the edge was off him as a draw immediately and it never came back. When they did the big business for the Last Stampede, it was really Bill Watts coming out of retirement and not JYD that was key, and had fallen from his drawing power peak by 1983. He left for WWF in 1984. In 1985, New Orleans, why business in the city was sometimes good with loaded shows, that was the second year of the failed attempts to replace JYD. It was the same formula of a muscular always winning black star except for the most part, trying to replace a successful formula with the same exact formula right away with someone similar trying to fill the shoes usually results in an unsuccessful formula. “Legends of Pro Wrestling: 150 Years of Headlocks, Body Slams and Piledrivers” is a July release which is pushed as an alphabetized guide to the greatest wrestlers of all-time and their lifetime statistics. You mean, like win/loss records? Tim Hornbacker, who did an NWA history book, is doing this one. Larry Matysik also has a book that will be released next year with bios of some of the biggest names in modern history and listing the top 50 wrestlers of all-time, which is an impossible task and will lead to all kinds of debates. Well, at least his list will be less silly than the WWE list. “Physical Chess,” is a June release on the life of Billy Robinson, who talks about shoot style wrestling, pro wrestling, coaching MMA and his version of the Billy Robinson vs. Peter Maivia street fight story in Japan in 1968. This is the one where he knocked Maivia out cold for 20 minutes. And Jonathan Snowden, who did “Inside MMA,” has “Shooters” The Toughest Men in Professional Wrestling” coming out in June, billed as “from William Muldoon to Brock Lesnar.” The preface also mentions Robinson, along with people like Kazushi Sakuraba, Billy Riley, Strangler Lewis, Lou Thesz, Danny Hodge and Kurt Angle.
Chael Sonnen was on TSN’s “Off the Record” on 12/23 and claimed even if he beats Mark Munoz, that he was not going to challenge Anderson Silva to a title match. He claimed that he would instead challenge Junior Dos Santos, Jon Jones or Georges St. Pierre. He can’t make 170 short of starvation, and GSP isn’t going to be around for a while anyway. And he can’t be so stupid as to want Jones, who he matches up terribly against, and Dos Santos is way too big for him. But it’s not like he’s serious. At this point Sonnen has crossed over the line of talking for business as much every time he has the spotlight he’s looking to say something for attention and get himself over. He claimed Silva was a cold product and outdated and “my time with Anderson is done.” So in the end, it’s just another way to promote his match with Silva that he still has to beat Munoz to get.
A 20-year-old amateur fighter, Jeff Dunbar of Chicago, was paralyzed stemming from a move he tried in a fight on 12/17 in Joliet, IL. Dunbar was standing when opponent Rudy Bahena caught him in a choke from the piggy back position. Dunbar was caught, and in trying to escape, tried to use his neck to flip Bahena off and dropped down, but in doing so, went down head first on the mat, a move that was described as giving himself a piledriver. Doctors said that Dunbar would likely never regain use of his legs and will be wheelchair bound. They also said it was very unlikely he’d ever be able to use his hands again.
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In his first fight in more than two years, former MMA legend and pro wrestling star Don Frye, now 46, after all kinds of injuries including a broken neck and destroyed joints, was knocked out in 2:30 by perennial job guy Ruben Villareal (who upped his own record to 19-23-3) in a match for the Gladiator Challenge heavyweight title on 12/11 in Lincoln, CA. Frye joked on TV not all that long ago when it comes to retiring that the only guy who has retired more times than he has is Terry Funk. The two had fought to a draw five years ago in Globe, AZ, most notable because Frye brought one of his childhood heroes, Superstar Billy Graham, to ringside for that show but was lucky to get a draw.
Meanwhile, Bob Sapp, 37, fought on 12/16 on a show in Dubrovnik, Croatia, losing to Maro Perak for what was billed as the MFC world heavyweight title in 3:04 after being taken down twice and taking a lot of punches and knees to the head on the ground (evidently playing by different rules) before it was stopped. Sapp had a local as heel manager who protested the stoppage (the stoppage was fair) who got tremendous heat, had the crowd all riled up for a rematch and Sapp got nose-to-nose with Perak and bumped into him on purpose on the way out.
Jens Pulver, 37, the first UFC lightweight champion, was knocked out at 2:12 of the second round by a knee by Timothy Elliot on a show in Kearney, NE on 12/16. Pulver, who has gone 3-3 since being cut by Zuffa after going 1-7 on a run from 2006 to 2010, announced his teary-eyed retirement after the fight, but he’s now done this after several fights.
Former UFC heavyweight champion Maurice Smith, 50, who hasn’t fought since losing to Hidehiko Yoshida two-and-a-half years ago, has taken a fight with Tim Hague on a 1/20 show in Brazil. Hague, 13-5, isn’t a great fighter, but he’s 28 and scored a first round knockout of Pat Barry a few years back, as well as a quick win over Travis Wiuff last year. He was cut by UFC after being stopped at 2:59 by Matt Mitrione on 1/22 in Fort Hood, TX. This is not a sport that somebody who is 50 should be doing, unless it’s like Dan Severn where you fight people who aren’t nearly at your level.
Shaquille O’Neal revealed on 12/21 in a radio interview that he’s in discussions with WWE to do a match against Show at this year’s WrestleMania. Under normal circumstances, I’d say this was a bad idea. Whatever the max the show is going to do, it’ll do with Rock vs. Cena. Plus, with Undertaker basically being an outsider now, and Rock being the same, you don’t want to overload the show with outsiders and focus little on the talent that has to carry the company, particularly since this is the one show that should be a lock as far as drawing. It’s the same reason that people close to Austin have advised him to sit this one out, because why have your return to third or fourth from the top when it should be something featured. However, this is not a typical Mania because it’s the launch date of the network. Because of that, they want as much mainstream pub on wrestling on 4/1, and O’Neal will being mainstream sports pub that Rock can’t bring. WWE was not happy that this got out. O’Neal is one of a number of celebrities WWE is considering for the show. The one thing is that the guys who are being looked at to carry the brand with the exception of Cena and probably Punk look like they are going to be down on the card that will be carried when it comes to promotion by Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Michaels, Jericho (if he debuts this coming week) and even Show if that match happens will be featured ahead of the world title match and even Orton who looks to be fifth from the top at best. Last year was kind of the same since Rock was the focal point of the promotion and Miz was an afterthought and HHH and Undertaker stole the show and the No. 3 match as far as hype was really Lawler vs. Cole.
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Shaq vs. Big Show could be tight.
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Brock Lesnar’s MMA career ended on 12/30 with almost the exact same reaction as when it began.

When Lesnar started, both in K-1, and umpteen times more before his 2008 debut in the UFC against Frank Mir, you had a number of diametrically opposed schools of thought. He was a fake pro wrestler who was going to be humiliated by the real fighters in UFC. He was a freak athlete with great wrestling ability, strength and speed, who when he learned to fight, was going to be difficult to beat in a year. He was the worst thing for UFC, made UFC into a joke, and if he would bring in more fans, those aren’t the kind of fans we want. Or, he was the best thing for UFC, would expand their audience and be one of the biggest draws the company ever had.

After his first fight, the reactions just intensified. He was humiliated and tapped out in 90 seconds. He knocked down a former world champion twice, and when Steve Mazzagatti ordered a stand-up due to punches to the back of the head, he saved Mir, who was a goner and got a submission only because Lesnar made a rookie mistake. And once again, it was either a joke he was on the card, a joke that he was pushed, and bad that he brought 300,000 homes that had never once purchased a UFC PPV show ordering, because again, we don’t want those kind of fans. Or he was an instant draw, and the way he manhandled Mir, once he learned more about fighting, he’d be almost unstoppable.

Then he fought Heath Herring, a veteran who was going to humiliate the fake pro wrestler. Once again, it was either impressive than Lesnar dominated Herring for three straight rounds, breaking his orbital bone with a punch that sent Herring head over heels. Ironically Herring’s fall was just as exaggerated as Lesnar’s against Cain Velasquez, which was used as evidence that Lesnar can’t take a punch. Or it was Lesnar having Herring down for three rounds and couldn’t even submit him, and suddenly Herring, who at one point while in Japan was pushed as the top American heavyweight, was never any good to begin with, or if he was, he was long since washed up even though he was actually a year younger than Lesnar and had just turned 30.

Next was Randy Couture, an all-time great and the reigning UFC world heavyweight champion. People were 50-50 on this one, but everyone knew for sure they were right. Couture would either humiliate Lesnar and even out wrestle him, out box him and make him look like a joke in a title shot he didn’t deserve and those big muscles would gas quickly. Or Lesnar was a younger, bigger and stronger wrestler, Couture’s main attribute, and would win the title.

Once again, people looked at it their own way. Lesnar won via second round knockout to become UFC champion in his third match with the company and fourth match overall. Without question, Lesnar got the shot because he and Couture were expected, and did do huge numbers, roughly 920,000 buys on PPV, the second biggest total up to that point in time in company history. You would think his winning the title would at least shut up the claim it was a joke he was champion.

Instead, the take was to attack Couture. Couture was old, too small, washed up, even though the same Couture had a match of the year candidate in his next outing. Lesnar won via knockout in the second after winning the first round obviously on all three scorecards, he somehow was losing the entire fight as well as getting outwrestled, and gassing out because he had no conditioning. To Couture’s credit, with his greater wrestling experience he was able to defend well against Lesnar and make him fight to get him down. And Couture did once nearly take Lesnar down. It was a competitive fight. Lesnar took punches from Couture, was bloodied up, wasn’t hurt badly by the punches, caught Couture and the telling blow was winning a standing exchange.

Against Mir, he was the worst thing that ever happened to the sport, even as he helped draw one of the five biggest PPV numbers in the history of PPV, and largest non-boxing number ever. Against Shane Carwin, he either proved he had heart in spades, coming back from a terrible first round beating, or it was a ref who should have stopped the fight, and he only won because Carwin gassed. When Cain Velasquez finally beat him, it exposed he was a joke all along to some. Others noted he lost to a guy who just was a better fighter, a guy who was strong enough as a wrestler that Lesnar couldn’t dominate him that way, and was much better standing.

Alistair Overeem came to Las Vegas for his UFC debut with his own set of question marks. While fighting in a very tough light heavyweight division, he had a 6-6 record in the Pride Fighting Championships and was finished in the first round by Chuck Liddell, Shogun Rua (twice) and Ricardo Arona, and once in the second round by Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. He moved to heavyweight and was knocked out by Sergei Khartionov.

And then the moth came out of his cocoon. In 2007, as a heavyweight, weighing 224 pounds, he beat up Paul Buentello and won the Strikeforce heavyweight title in the second round. Since then, he’s had 11 fights, ten of which haven’t gotten out of the first round, and Lesnar, in lasting 2:26, lasted longer than seven of his last 11 foes.

Overeem himself was as polarizing as Lesnar. He was the greatest heavyweight in the world, because of two things. His quick wins, largely against nobodies, and his great physique. Well, there was also a third reason. Once Fedor Emelianenko faltered, the people who had claimed that the UFC heavyweights were second rate needed a new hero.

So these two monsters of the cage were headed to Las Vegas, both facing all kinds of problems that were both foreseen, and unforseen.

Lesnar had 12 inches of his colon removed at the end of May and had suffered from diverticulitis since an attack nearly killed him at the end of 2009. It was recommended he would have surgery, but he was UFC champion and there was tremendous money to be made in 2010 if he could just get back in shape. He got through the first fight, came in for the second fight in tremendous condition, but even though he looked great, he wasn’t feeling great. While preparing for a fight with Junior Dos Santos, he was sluggish in training, hoped he had a bug that would go away, rested, it didn’t go away, and deep down already knew the diverticulitis was back. He had surgery.

From talking with several people who had the surgery, all felt that he was coming back too quickly. But he got his size and strength back and at least looked like the old Brock Lesnar. But he was 34, had little time over the previous two years to concentrate on his deficiencies as a fighter. If he wasn’t sick, and at times when he was, he had to train for conditioning with a fight impending. He had already started older than most, and from day one, his career clock was ticking. That’s why he started out fighting a former world champion in his first fight. He wanted to know right away if he could do the sport, plus he wanted to make money. That meant fighting top people.

Exactly what Lesnar himself was thinking it’s impossible to know. Those close to him say he’s not good at hiding when you see his face. They noted when he came to the cage, he had that look that things were wrong. He had it in WWE when he was asked to do a job that he thought didn’t make sense, or confronted about something. But here the stakes were a lot higher. If something was wrong, he could get beat up. Bad.

Overeem had his issues with drug testing and his mother being sick. He left his camp in Las Vegas, filled with wrestlers, to go to Holland, where there were few if any top wrestlers, and certainly none like a healthy NCAA champion. He had to miss two key days of training to go to England and take a drug test. Then, the day before the fight, he was sued by his former management team. Then, the day of the fight, his former management team got an injunction that could have resulted in them having his purse for the fight put into escrow. He knew the former but seemed calm about it. He said that, until he was asked about it at the press conference, he didn’t know the latter, but he’s also a very good poker face. Unlike Lesnar whose face tells a different story depending on his mood, no matter what Overeem says or feels, his expression rarely changes.

Although Dana White had said he didn’t even think Overeem was a top ten heavyweight, UFC clearly saw star potential in him. The lawsuit filed by Knock Out Investments, the business name for the Golden Glory gym and team, which represented Overeem for the past 11 years, gave details as to his new contract.

The lawsuit, filed on 12/29 in Clark County, Nevada stated that when Overeem signed with UFC on 9/6, his contract specified that for his fight with Lesnar he would be receiving $264,285.71 as base pay, a $121,428.57 win bonus, as well as $2 per PPV buy for all revenue to Zuffa after the Zuffa company revenue from the show tops$500,000 (basically, the first 23,000 or so buys). In addition, there was a $1 million signing bonus, which would be broken down into another $333,333.33 for the first three fights of his contract. The contract itself, with the options put in place, would cover up to eight fights. If the show did 800,000 buys, Overeem would earn in the neighborhood of $2.26 million.

Knock Out Investments claimed that due to Overeem’s existing five-year contract with them that was signed in 2007, they are entitled to 30%. 30% of is pay between all the money he got for UFC 141 is $684,000, so that are fighting for a huge chunk of change. They also alleged Overeem never paid them their 30% from the 6/18 fight with Fabricio Werdum. Overeem had already, in November, filed suit against Knock Out Investments, claiming they owed him $151,000 prior to the Werdum fight based on fights he already had, and asked for a court order stating that due to that, his contract should be null and void. Prior to the Werdum fight, almost all of Overeem’s fight money, whether it was from Japan or previously with Strikeforce, was sent to Knock Out Investments and then after they got paid and took their cut, they paid their fighters. Zuffa, after purchasing Strikeforce, refused to continue that practice, stating that they were going to pay fighters and not management teams. At one point Zuffa even fired all of the Golden Glory fighters, including Overeem, because Golden Glory made the demand that they wanted the money to be paid to them. After firing a number of fighters, Overeem included, Golden Glory relented and agreed to let Zuffa pay the fighters. By that time Overeem had been fired and removed from the Strikeforce tournament, and at the time nobody knew the future of Strikeforce and Overeem would have been far more valuable on the UFC side.

The day of the fight, Knock Out Investments got an injunction in Nevada district court to put Overeem’s pay from the fight in escrow because they claimed he would possibly spend it before a ruling in a court case that would give them their share. Knock Out Investments had requested that Overeem’s show pay of $241,285.49 be paid by Zuffa directly to tem. However, the court asked Knock Out Investments to post a $200,000 bond to get his purse held up, and they didn’t do so.

“The reality is that a fighter is paid within 24 hours of the bout,” wrote Knock Out Investments attorney Roderick Lindblom. “Given past failure to pay management and training fees, there is serious concern on my client’s part that Mr. Overeem will simply walkaway with the money.”

Nevertheless, Overeem was calm all week. Lesnar was tense. After losing, Lesnar gave a speech in the cage announcing his retirement. He said he had already promised his wife that if he lost, he would retire. If he won, he would only fight one more time, for the championship, and then, win or lose, he would retire.

As far as why he made that decision, only he knows for sure. How much did the illness take away from him? How much athleticism and speed was he losing via age? Unlike most fighters, who when they lose a step, may still gain something with experience, Lesnar was inexperienced, not well rounded, and getting older, and getting by based on size, power, wrestling and athletic ability. You don’t find a lot of world class freestyle heavyweights in their late 30s that hang with the guys in their 20s. What did he think, what did he know, how did his camp really go? The fact he was considering retiring, and the look in his face as he came to the cage gives evidence of something.

While there was considerable debate on who would win the fight, there was little debate on what would happen. Either Lesnar would use his wrestling to win, or he wouldn’t be able to, and he would lose, quickly. The latter is what happened. Lesnar never changed levels to shoot for a takedown. Lesnar never rushed to get a tie-up and pin him against the fence, perhaps fearing unless he was able to totally smother him up close, he’d be open to Overeem’s strong knees to the body. He never even did a feint, using the threat of strikes, and he did throw punches and low kicks, and followed with a quick takedown attempt; He tried a half-hearted single leg at one point, his only attempt of the fight, and gave it up quickly. At another point, when Overeem threw a kick, he tried to catch the foot and use it for a takedown, but was a smidgen slow in catching. Lesnar did cut Overeem above the right eye with a punch, and threw some leg kicks, while being stalked. But the the way it was going, it just felt inevitable that Lesnar was playing Overeem’s game. It was a game he most likely not only couldn’t win, but couldn’t even survive a round playing.

And he didn’t. The key blow was a kick to the body that Lesnar said he believed broke one of his ribs. Lesnar did not go to the hospital after the fight, and instead flew home to Minnesota, so at this point if the rib was broken, it would have been diagnosed at home and only he and his inner circle know about it.

Lesnar appeared beaten before the fight started. Was it something that happened in training where he saw he didn’t have what he once had? You can point to Overeem stuffing his takedown and getting into his head, but Lesnar was a different person before the fight ever started. The fact he had promised to retire, and mentally sounded like he had his retirement speech ready, tells you all you need to know, other than the why, which can be speculated to being a dozen different things, all of which may have played a part.

When fighters lose, like B.J. Penn did two months ago, and announce their retirement, most of the time people listen and think, “He’ll change his mind.” And most of the time they’re right.

But nobody was questioning Lesnar. His situation is unique. Most fighters fight because it’s just what they do, and they don’t want to walk away from it. In most cases, they are driven by wanting to be somebody. Lesnar, as much as any athlete with an ego that I’ve ever seen, just doesn’t care. He doesn’t care what people say about him. He pays no attention to it. He’s probably earned in the neighborhood of $17 million in his MMA career, and that’s not including any endorsements. He doesn’t live big. He was one of those guys who made a lot and spent a lot when he was in his mid-20s as a pro wrestler, and then went back to making nothing. So the second time he made big money, he didn’t live large. He should have enough to last him the rest of his life, and there are always going to be some options to make money, although doubtful the kind of money he’s been making. For that reason alone, there may come a time in a year where I can see him considering it, because almost every wrestler and almost every fighter makes a comeback. And there will always be money in his comeback and there will always be more PPV slots than they have matches that can do Lesnar-business. So he probably has a few year window. But most figure he’s done and figure that if mentally that’s where he is, then it’s the right decision for him to make.

The obvious next question regards WWE. Lesnar has said a number of times that he would be willing to do a big pro wrestling match after he’s done as a fighter for the right money. He’s also still under contract to UFC. Dana White didn’t really give an answer when it came to whether he’d let him out of his contract to do pro wrestling, but there’s always a way to make a business deal between Vince McMahon and White, to cut his company in to make it work or pay a flat fee for one night. White noted that saying you’re retired doesn’t mean you’re out of your contract. But if he is really retired, there is a time frame of how long the contract runs for. The idea of Lesnar vs. Undertaker or Lesnar vs. Steve Austin at WrestleMania 29 is an obvious direction. The feeling was Lesnar could have earned $2 million or more if he could have done the match with Undertaker at last year’s Mania, particularly while being UFC champion, but the reality is there was no way UFC would have allowed that to happen as long as he was fighting for them. The crazy thing is that if he beat Overeem, which in hindsight was unlikely, and then beat Dos Santos, if he really would have retired then as champion, and then gone to WWE for a match or matches as the rightful champion when his UFC contract expired, it would have been one of Vince McMahon’s all-time greatest coups.

But how much he would have meant as UFC champion, or with the loss of the title but only one loss since the first Mir fight, as compared to no longer being in UFC and having been knocked out twice? My feeling is that the longer the time frame is between now and his debut, the less his UFC losses would mean as far as a negative to marketability. In addition, the longer he’s out of the public eye, the fresher he is, although there comes a point when it’s too many years where that isn’t the case anymore.

The next question is Lesnar’s legacy. Most have been positive about it. The reality is he was an amazing athlete who won the title despite inexperience and a long layoff from competitive sports, succeeding based on athletic ability and a lifetime of wrestling to beat some solid people at their own game.

Others, whether blinded by their hate for Lesnar, pro wrestling, or UFC, have used this loss to say he was never any good, and discredit him. Some have written he was the worst UFC heavyweight champion in history, which is beyond laughable. If you line up every UFC champion in history, when they were champion vs. what short window of prime Lesnar had, and Lesnar beats most of them almost every time. He’d pound Shamrock, Severn, Coleman, Randleman, Smith, Rodriguez, Sylvia and Mir into the mat when all of them were champions. He’d struggle with Couture before beating him the majority of the time if not almost every time. He’d beat the Josh Barnett when Barnett was champion, although I’m not sure what would happen if he fought today’s Barnett. He’d lose most of the time to Cain Velasquez, because that’s a bad style match for him. He may not beat Junior Dos Santos either, and as the sport evolves, he wouldn’t beat the majority of the champions of the future. He was a legitimate champion for his time, even though he had major holes in his game, and brought a ton of new fans to the sport, and drew more than anyone in history.

Lesnar’s legacy? There have been many NCAA champions who went on to become world champions in pro wrestling, and several who went on to be UFC champions. Lesnar is the only one who has done all three. And he likely will be the only one. He is one of only three people, along with Mike Tyson and Manny Pacquiao, who have drawn two 1 million buys shows in the same calendar year. Came in with no experience. Won the title. Drew big. Got badly ill. Made lots of money. Lost the title. Couldn’t work his way back to top contention. And got out.

Whether those fans will stay when he’s gone, my gut says some will and most won’t. But that’s the cycle of life in promoting individual sports based on super drawing cards. If it didn’t happen this year, it would have happened next year. Lesnar was not the guy who was going to stay around like Tito Ortiz or Chuck Liddell to lose most of his fights unless he needed the money.

With the change in location and the frequent drug tests, it was something of a surprise that Overeem weighed in at 263 pounds, only three pounds less than Lesnar, although the difference in the cage was probably closer to 15 pounds.

With the win, Overeem vs. Dos Santos now becomes the next in the line of biggest heavyweight title fights, if not in terms of money, in terms of ability, perhaps in history. Overeem asked for some time off, and Dana White said he’s hoping for that fight in the summer.
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After nine hours, almost as if it was on cue, about 15,700 (announced as 20,406) fans at the Saitama Super Arena in Japan celebrated their version of the Times Square Countdown with their own Dick Clark, 68-year-old Antonio Inoki celebrating with Fedor Emelianenko, who had just knocked out Olympic gold medal judoka Satoshi Ishii.

It’s been 12 years since the first Inoki Bom Ba Ye, a PPV pro wrestling show that featured a weird lineup that included pro wrestling stars Keiji Muto, Nobuhiko Takada, Yuji Nagata, Naoya Ogawa, Shinya Hashimoto and Great Sasuke, and MMA stars doing pro wrestling like Bas Rutten, Caol Uno, Gary Goodridge, Mark Coleman, and Mark Kerr, along with people who did both like Ken Shamrock, Kazushi Sakuraba, Don Frye and Kendo Ka Shin. Notably, his win over Ka Shin was the last pro wrestling match Sakuraba did before this year’s show.

That event set the all-time attendance record at the Osaka Dome announced at 42,753, but it was a concept that didn’t have legs. The event, starting the next year, became an MMA event, that often included pro wrestlers, boxers and celebrities as a television spectacular. Starting in 2001, and for the next several years, it drew the best ratings for counter programming the concert on NHK, a Super Bowl like Japanese New Year’s Eve television tradition, of any programming in history.

It really turned the corner in 2002 when the top two finishers in the Japanese Wrestler of the Year awards, Bob Sapp and Yoshihiro Takayama, headlined in an MMA fight.

The New Year’s Eve show has taken many different forms over the years. It got so popular as a joint show between Pride and K-1 that in 2003, it split, three ways. Three different networks ran fighting events, one promoted by Pride, one by K-1 and the third had Inoki’s name attached to it. While MMA and K-1 remained popular, the December 31, 2003, date was the peak when Bob Sapp and Akebono did a 43.5 rating and 54 million viewers for their kickboxing match. Events that happened that week, allegations that Yakuza bosses affiliated with Pride threatened the promoter of the Inoki show for signing Pride heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko to appear for their show against pro wrestling star Yuji Nagata. It took a few years for the story to surface, but when it did, Pride was booted off television and eventually faded away. K-1 became a financial disaster, as their practice of throwing huge money at fighters when their was no way to make that money back, eventually caught up with them.

There were a variety of reasons for the fall of mainstream interest in fighting in Japan, from a TV mainstream viewership less interested in sports in general, as all major sports have seen steep ratings declines, to the lack of a Japanese star, to the aging of the most popular stars leading to not very pretty consequences, to being a fad country and the novelty wore off, as well as it being established that the competition really was secondary to the American scene on a worldwide basis.

After last year’s show on TBS did a disastrous 9.18 overall rating, and the main segment dropped 41% from the 2009 number (16.7 to 9.8), the writing was on the wall. Fighting Entertainment Group was out of money, fighters were owed in the millions of dollars, and it appeared the entire scene on a major league level was done. K-1 has yet to resurface in a meaningful way in Japan, although there have been some smaller shows using that name, and Dream has run a few dates this year.

In a last ditch effort to try and save the tradition, Inoki, who started it, was brought back with the remnants of Dream to put together a show. Money was tight and the kind of big-time celebrity fights that New Year’s Eve was all about were gone. They instead put together a show consisting of a few kickboxing matches with young fighters, MMA fights with familiar stars who weren’t highly paid for the most part, and pro wrestling matches bringing back a few aging stars from the glory days.

Like so many other promotions, who have had Fedor Emelianenko take down the ship, they spent big, reportedly $500,000, for Fedor, hoping his match against Ishii would at least open the door to television. But TBS didn’t bite. As it turned out, they probably should have. On the biggest television night of the year, the NHK concert did a 41.6 rating, roughly the same as what it did last year. TBS, putting on pro boxing in the MMA spot, did a horrific 4.2 rating.

Whether that number leads them back to MMA or a mixed show next year is to be determined. But this did feel in many ways like the end of a once-great tradition. It is likely, due to it airing live on HDNet, that more Americans were watching the Japanese tradition than Japanese.

Announcers Michael Schiavello, who ended up the night announcing while wearing lipstick and eye shadow, after losing a bet by picking Yuichiro Nagashima to beat Katsunori Kikuno, explained from the start that New Year’s Eve is not about rankings, wins and losses, but entertainment.

The idea of pro wrestling and MMA on the same bill may have worked in the 90s with RINGS, but on paper it seemed like a bad idea. As it turned out, the crowd was hotter for the pro wrestling matches than any others, in particular a Josh Barnett vs. Hideki Suzuki match reminiscent of the UWFI promotion that Barnett loved and always wished he could have been a part of. The television version lasted nine hours and five minutes, ending right after the countdown ended and Inoki did his trademark “Ishi, Ni, San Da!” catch phrase while his ring music that dates back some 35 years played in the background. It was the second longest major promotion show in modern history (All Japan women had a Tokyo Dome show in 1994 that went 10 ½ hours). But in the end, the show seemingly had no bearing on the future of anything. The fights didn’t leave people wanting future fights. The pro wrestling matches didn’t lead much to anything. The hope of the main event getting MMA back on television failed.

In the end, Fedor knocked out Ishii in 2:24 in the main event. Ishii looked significantly smaller, almost looking like a middleweight out there when it came to body frame even though he was a super heavyweight when he was a 21-year-old gold medalist in 2001. The fight was a less captivating version of Overeem vs. Lesnar, in the sense that Ishii had little chance standing, tried once for a takedown and couldn’t get it, and in his case it was punches to the head that flattened him. The fight was three years in the making as promoters wanted to put Ishii, in 2008, coming off his gold medal win, in with Emelianenko, but it didn’t happen.

The 17 matches brought a little bit of everything, but two bouts stole the show, neither straight MMA fights.

Nagashima vs. Kikuno matched the famed cross-dressing kickboxer, who, based on this fight, is no longer much of a kickboxer now that he’s become a regular pro wrestler, against an MMA fighter in a mixed match. This is similar to last year, when Nagashima fought Shinya Aoki under those rules, and the surprise of all surprises was Nagashima knocking out Aoki in four seconds. One would have thought this would lead to a fight for Aoki’s lightweight title, but it didn’t materialize. The funny thing about Nagashima, and this probably explains his cross-dressing gimmick, is that he grew up wanting to be a pro wrestler, but in learning to really fight, got so good at kickboxing that he wound up in that sport. When K-1 went down the tubes, he got into pro wrestling. Since doing that, obviously his kickboxing wasn’t at the level it was when he trained at the sport, and Kikuno, a solid MMA fighter, knocked him down several times in the kickboxing round before finishing him in the MMA round.

Barnett vs. Suzuki tore down the house with an excellent shoot style pro wrestling match, reminiscent of the days of people like Volk Han and Kiyoshi Tamura. Barnett used a style similar to his idol, Billy Robinson. Schiavello, who was a pro wrestling fan in the 80s and 90s, but not so much now, was still thrilled to be calling pro wrestling and he and Michael Kogan, a pro wrestling hater, who dropped his hatred, actually did a far better job of calling pro wrestling than almost any current announce team. I watched the show right before Raw, and it just hits you in the face the difference in announcers getting over the product and the participants.

But they weren’t clued into everything like a pro wrestling announcing team. The one spot where the commentary failed was in what was actually the biggest angle on the show. Right after the Barnett vs. Suzuki match, and Schiavello mentioning that he had just heard C.M. Punk was watching the show live (interesting that Schiavello definitely knew who Punk was, but didn’t know he was WWE champion, where at another point in time, the idea Schiavello wouldn’t know who the current WWE champion was would be unfathomable), out came Inoki.

Inoki was first wheeled out on a cross, like he was Jesus Christ being crucified. Inoki got easily the biggest pop of the night, but it was absolutely nothing like the old days. The announcers put Inoki over as the level of star that he is, or at least was and his standing in Japan as legitimately one of the most famous and most popular athletes of the last 45 years. Schiavello said he was at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony when Inoki was inducted . When Inoki did his interview, they were going crazy about how big a deal it was that Inoki was talking into an HDNet mic. Inoki did his interview, talking about how the last year has been tough for Japan with the Earthquake and Tsunami, how MMA is going through hard times in Japan, and how Inoki Bom Ba Ye almost ceased to exist. He was talking for a long time and then started repeating himself, which seemed to mean the angle was late in coming.

Then out come Tiger Jeet Singh and his son Tiger Jeet Singh Jr. (who was in WWE in the late 90s as Tiger Ali Singh). Jr. came out holding a photo of Umanosuke Ueda, his longtime partner and friend, who died ten days earlier. The announcers had no clue what was going on, calling them guys in turbans and terrorists. Singh had his trademark Sabre in his mouth while his son had a kendo stick. It should be noted people didn’t pop for Singh at all. He was a character from the mid-70s, although they was still used as a star into the 90s. This audience was either not born, or not old enough to really know the Inoki vs. Singh feud. Singh Jr. hit Inoki twice with his kendo stick before his father stopped him and actually punched him. Inoki took off his jacket and the announcers and crowd was going nuts, figuring Inoki would go on offense while the crowd was chanting loud. Instead, Singh talked to both and was the peacemaker and Inoki shook hands with Jr. and handed Inoki his kendo stick and Sr. handed Inoki his sword. The idea was after nearly four decades, Inoki and Singh showed that in the New Year they had finally buried their feud, and all left together. It was hard to figure out. Schiavello wondered if the photo of Ueda was Rikidozan, who looks nothing like Ueda.

1. Yusup Saadulaev (9-1-1) beat Hideo Tokoro (30-25-1) in :42 in the night’s scariest finish. This was a reserve match in case one of the winners in the bantamweight tournament semifinal was injured and couldn’t advance. It was a last-ditch hope to get Tokoro, the Japanese favorite who lost earlier in the tournament, into the title match, but instead he ended up injured, perhaps badly. Saadulaev’s family were friends with pro wrestling legend Volk Han. Tokoro came out with a flying knee and Saadulaev caught him with a belly to belly suplex. He then got behind Tokoro, picked him up and slammed him right on his forehead, knocking him out cold. Saadulaev threw two punches, saw Tokoro wasn’t moving and stopped, which was good because the ref was slow moving in. He actually told the ref to stop it. Tokoro was taken out on a stretcher.

2. Antonio Banuelos (20-7) won a split decision over Masakazu Imanari (24-10-2) in the bantamweight title tournament semifinals. Slow first round. Imanari wanted it on the ground and went down on purpose when Banuelos landed a good punch to bait him. Banuelos let him up. Imanari couldn’t get him down in the first round, and only got him down momentarily in the second. Also in the second, he pulled guard to get Banuelos down on two occasions. On the second occasion, Banuelos did limited damage, but it was enough to win the round for sure. Because the winner was fighting later, it was a two-round fight. Banuelos clearly won both rounds (they judge the overall fight and pick a winner here, not using a point or rounds system), but one judge gave the fight to Imanari.

3. Bibiano Fernandes (10-3) won a unanimous decision over Rodolfo Marques Diniz (14-2). Diniz came in with an 11-fight win streak. Fernandes took him down in the first and delivered hard elbows to the thigh and hamstring, then to the ribs, but round mostly lacked action. Fernandes dominated the first round. In the second, it was mostly standing with Fernandes landing slightly more and he won the round close, to advance.

4. Masaaki Noiri (7-2) beat Kengo Sonoda (3-3) in a three round kickboxing match by unanimous decision. This was a 141-pound weight class fight. Noiri was the high school national champion in a tournament that ended on the 2009 New Year’s Eve show. Good action going back and forth in all three rounds. There was a second round knockdown by Noiri with a knee. Sonoda got up and argued right away that he slipped and it shouldn’t be ruled a knockdown. Noiri won all three rounds finishing strong with a jumping knee, jumping kick to the face and another knee to the face.

5. Yuta Kubo (31-4-1) beat Nils Widlund (70-16) in another 141-pound kickboxing match, with a stoppage at 1:12 of the third round. Kubo, the current K-1 Max champion in his weight class, is someone who would be groomed as a future star if the Japan’s TV kickboxing scene was still strong. Widlund, who looks a lot like UFC fighter Matt Riddle, was only given ten days notice when called. Kubo was easily winning, with an attack of body kicks, punches, knees and high kicks. He looked real good here, and finished Widlund in the third with a knee to the body and a hard kick to the head that put Widlund down. Schiavello then called Kubo, “The Excellence of Execution.”

6. Hayato Sakurai (36-12-2) beat Ryo Chonan (20-13) via unanimous decision. These are two veterans, Chonan is 35 and Sakurai is 36, who started their careers together, fought once years ago (Chonan winning via cut) and are now good friends, both at the end of their careers. Chonan didn’t do any kind of a flashy ring entrance. Sakurai dropped Chonan with a left right away and started pounding hard on the ribs and some to the head for the first few minutes of the fight. Chonan didn’t seem hurt badly but Sakurai’s round big. Second round was closer, mostly standing. Sakurai got a takedown and landed in side control but did nothing but hold Chonan down, other than throw one knee to the head, which is still legal under Japanese rules. Chonan was actually busier from the bottom. Third round saw Chonan taking over with body shots and punches. Sakurai, figuring he had it won, grabbed a clinch and tried to stall. Sakurai ended up cut under both eyes, with a massive hematoma under his right eye. Chonan was throwing punches and when he lunged forward, Sakurai ducked and took him down and moved to mount and got his back. Sakurai held mount until Chonan reversed with seconds left. Chonan’s strong first half of the round wasn’t enough to come close to winning the fight.

7. Tatsuya “The Crusher” Kawajiri (30-7-2) beat Kazuyuki “Little Hercules” Miyata (11-9) at 4:54 of the second round. Miyata, also known as Little Hercules and the master of the German suplex in MMA fights, was physically outwrestled and dominated. Kawajiri got the takedown right away and then got mount. He stayed on top and did very little, other than some palm blows to the head. He kept the mount until the round ended. As the round ended, Kawajiri was working for an arm triangle and had it locked and Miyata was in trouble and the bell may have saved him. Really dull until the final seconds, which is a surprise since both of these guys are known for exciting fights. When the second round started, Miyata landed a few punches but Kawajiri took him down again. Kawajiri did nothing from the position and Miyata got up, then took Kawajiri down and got his back. Kawajiri then got up. Kawajiri landed a punch, took him down, passed to side control and just like in the first round, got the arm triangle choke late in the round. This time, just before the round ended, Miyata tapped.

8. Megumi Fujii (25-1) beat Karla Benitez (6-2) in 1:15. Benitez, who is from Barcelona, danced to the ring. Her entrance was more like a WWE diva than a fighter, except she wasn’t dressed as sexy. But she had the best ring entrance thus far. This was the first woman’s fight ever in the Dream promotion and I believe only the second in the history of the New Year’s Eve shows. Fujii, 37, who is kind of a living legend in MMA to insiders and considered the best women’s fighter ever (her only loss was to a much bigger Zoila Gurgel in a close decision), shot low. She ended up on her back, reversed, dropped and punched, and then locked in an armbar. It was almost like a Ronda Rousey fight except it lasted a little longer and there was no dislocation involved. The two hugged when it was over.

9. Josh Barnett pinned Hideki Suzuki in 11:47 in the first pro wrestling match. Hideki Tanaka, the ring announcer from the 80s and 90s glory days of New Japan Pro Wrestling, came out. He didn’t get that big of a reaction. This would be like in the middle of a UFC PPV show, not just a pro wrestling match would take place, but Howard Finkel would show up to be the ring announcer. Suzuki was announced as a protege of Billy Robinson, who is Barnett’s idol. Barnett got the biggest reaction so far on the show, which is saying something since he’s not Japanese. I can’t say enough about this match and both men’s performance here. Tons of submissions and rope breaks. Crowd popped when Suzuki blocked a hip toss and caught Barnett in the abdominal stretch. Kogan, who as noted hates pro wrestling and was quiet early, at that point said this match was phenomenal. Place popped again when Suzuki did a vertical suplex followed by a choke. Barnett got a half Boston crab in the middle, which Schiavello called a sharpshooter. He then turned it into the STF. Kogan freaked out at the transition and seeing an STF for the first time, having never seen it before. Barnett used a head and arm suplex. These guys did nothing involving coming off the ropes (basic UWFI style). Crowd popped when Suzuki did a dropkick. Barnett got a near fall with a hard power bomb. Barnett knocked Suzuki down with a knee but Suzuki got up before ten. Suzuki went for an armbar but Barnett escaped, got his back. Barnett did a Northern lights suplex into a Kimura, but Suzuki turned it into an armbar in the middle. Barnett escaped and then won with the Hokuto bomb. ***3/4

Barnett then, in impersonating Rick Rude, told the announcer to “Cut my music.” He spoke in Japanese, and told people to give Megumi Fujii a big hand (they are teammates) and said he was going to take the gold in Strikeforce and bring it back to Japan.

The Inoki angle with Tiger Jeet Singh and his son was here.

10. Katsunori Kikuno (16-4-2 in MMA) beat Yuichiro Nagashima (4-2 in MMA, 17-4 in kickboxing) in a Remix rules match, which means the first round is three minutes under kickboxing rules and the second is five minutes under MMA rules, and there is no judging and if there isn’t a finish, it’s a draw. However, Kikuno won via stoppage at 2:34 of the second round. This was a loser wears lipstick and eye shadow match between the announcers. Nagashima, because he’s been pro wrestling at 195 pounds, could only cut to 162, and not 154. They opened with a great slugfest and Nagashima took him down, which was not supposed to happen in the first round. Kikuno then decked him with an uppercut. Kikuno landed a straight right that crushed him, followed by knees and punches and a hard knee but Nagashima down a second time. He was getting his ass kicked under his own rules, although it did make sense given one guy has been training for fighting and the other guy for pro wrestling. Kikuno kept nailing him (with punches, given that Nagashima did come out dressed like a schoolgirl with a wig, that could be taken in a bad way) and put him down a third time with an uppercut. Schiavello said that Nagashima is taking more shots than an alcoholic. Then after all that, Nagashima dropped Kikuno with a left that opened up a cut between the eyes. Fantastic first round, reminiscent of Diaz vs. Daley. The second round was MMA rules. So of course, Nagashima was the one who landed a left and a flying knee while Kikuno seemed tired after landing so many punches in the first. But Kikuno took him down and got his back and kept punching him to the side of the head. The crowd was going crazy with every punch until it was stopped.

11. Bibiano Fernandes (10-3) beat Antonio Banuelos (20-8) in the finals of the tournament to crown the first Dream bantamweight champion in 1:11. They were trading early and Fernandes landed a punch and Banuelos did a delayed fall, and may have been tripped. Fernandes landed punch after punch, 27 in all, on the ground before it was stopped. Considering Banuelos was a solid WEC fighter before being cut, losing decisions to highly ranked Miguel Torres and Scott Jorgensen, this destruction should get UFC interested in Fernandes when his contract here is up.

12. IGF champion Jerome LeBanner beat Tim Sylvia in 2:57. Sylvia, who looked to be about 315 pounds, was wearing a T-shirt from his sponsor, “Lean Body.” This was just beyond funny. This was a pro wrestling match where they tried to work it to look like an MMA fight. I don’t think it was a title match as they did no ceremony and it was announced as non-title beforehand, but the announcers were acting like it was a title bout. LeBanner came out wearing kickboxing gloves. Sylvia kept taking him down. LeBanner then came back and dropped him with punches. LeBanner was kicking Sylvia really hard. Sylvia was down after low kicks and his body was bruised with welts from the kicks. LeBanner won with 70% ground and pound before it was stopped. DUD

13. Kazuyuki Fujita beat Peter Aerts in 3:36 in a pro wrestling match. Aerts was also wearing kickboxing gloves. There is something really nostalgic about seeing Aerts come out to the theme from the movie “Pulp Fiction,” on a big show, kind of like Bret Hart coming out to his music (although, and some will find this hard to believe not knowing the scene, but Aerts is in Japan a tons bigger star than Hart or Michaels in the U.S.) now. Fujita tackled him but Aerts was holding onto the ropes to keep from going down. Aerts with a punch and a head kick and Fujita went down, but kicked out at two. It looked so funny Aerts going for the cover after a kick. Aerts threw more punches and kicks and Fujita went down again. Fujita came back with a Mark Henry world’s strongest slam but Aerts kicked out. What happened next was something so funny you’d almost have to see it. Fujita put Aerts in the Boston crab, which was the finish, and Aerts was tapping. The ref missed the tap so Fujita kept leaning back to apply more pressure and leaned back so far he lost his balance and fell on his ass. This was Shockmaster level hilarity. It was supposed to be the finish, Aerts had already tapped and thought it was over, and Fujita tried to get him back in a Boston crab but Aerts didn’t know it. So Aerts didn’t turn over and Fujita tried a Boston crab while Aerts was on his back and not his stomach, and Aerts tapped anyway. DUD

14. Kazushi Sakuraba & Katsuyori Shibata beat Shinichi Suzukawa & Atsushi Sawada in 13:46 in what no doubt was the first tag team match on a Dream show. Shibata was being groomed to be one of the big three in New Japan many years back with Hiroshi Tanahashi and Shinsuke Nakamura, before he quit to be the top star of a promotion that failed and somehow wound up as a fighter. He was a good pro wrestler but not much of a fighter. Sakuraba & Shibata came out to “Iron Man” wearing Road Warrior shoulder spikes, which did get over. Sakuraba & Shibata wore masks, with Sakuraba wearing a Kabuki mask and Shibata wearing a Sakuraba version Strong Machine mask. Crowd was really into Sakuraba and this 80s pro wrestling homage entrance. Sawada, a national college judo champion at 220 pounds, came out with his own mask. He looked like the elephant Babar. His mask, not him, although he could stand to lose a few pounds as well. Suzukawa, the former sumo booted out for possession of marijuana, and now does a thug gimmick in pro wrestling, came out with four thug looking guys in black masks, but then had his red Inoki towel doing the mannerisms with the towel Inoki did in the 80s. Nothing like a ring entrance that’s a cross between New Jack and Hulk Hogan. As for the match, it was very good in spots, and kind of a mess in other spots. Fast paced and all action. Shibata vs. Suzukawa had great slapfests. Crowd loved Sakuraba. The announcers noted that Shibata is known for going out, getting drunk and taking all his clothes off. Well, someone has to be the next Nature Boy. The crowd went crazy when Shibata threw an awesome dropkick to Sawada. Finish saw Sakuraba, who didn’t do all that much, putting Sawada out with a choke. There was a post-match pull-apart. **3/4

15. Hiroyuki Takaya (17-9-1) retained the Dream featherweight title in a one-sided five round decision over Lion Takeshi (21-5). Takeshi is known in U.S. MMA circles as Takeshi Inoue, since our MMA people don’t use the pro wrestling names that their fighters are known by and announced as. This was a weird fight as Takeshi, who got his nickname because he is supposed to have the heart of a Lion. But he just didn’t seem interested in fighting to the point that Schiavello was calling him the tin man and not the lion. I can only compare his performance to the legendary Kalib Starnes vs. Nate Quarry UFC fight. Takaya was a Dream headliner and champion who then came to the U.S. in April and lost to prelim guy Robbie Peralta, which made the Dream title look real bad. First round was Takaya moving forward and Takeshi doing nothing. Pretty bad round. Takaya got a takedown late to clinch it. Second round saw Takeshi land a good shot on Takaya that dropped him to a knee. Takaya was bleeding from the nose. But Takaya was still more aggressive and got a late takedown and won this round. Third round saw another Takaya takedown and he landed solid punches on the ground. Takeshi did nothing on offense this round. Fourth round saw Takaya land punches and Takeshi back up. Takeshi kept avoiding action and got a yellow card for stalling. Fans started booing Takeshi. Another round where Takeshi did nothing and if it was U.S. judging I’d give that round a 10-8. Fifth was more of the same, with more booing, Takaya landing shots and Takeshi backing off. Then in the last 30 seconds, Takeshi started swinging wildly and got his best shots of the fight in but it was way too little and too late.

16. Shinya Aoki (30-5) retained the Dream lightweight title beating Satoru Kitaoka (29-11-9) via five round decision, in dominant fashion, winning every round. The storyline here is these two are training partners and best friends but they are fighting for the title. They pushed the idea that this match could ruin their friendship. To that degree, when it was over, they didn’t hug or shake hands. First round was pretty good. Aoki landed a knee, got a takedown and Kitaoka went for a guillotine. Aoki then got out and worked for a choke, then a triangle, and then a triangle with an armbar and Kitaoka escaped the moves. Aoki got a takedown and nothing happened so they were stood up. Kitaoka landed a right and Aoki took him down and held him down the rest of the round, but only landing one good punch. Round two was Aoki taking him down and holding him down. Nothing was happening and they were stood up. Aoki took him down again and held him there the rest of the round. Third round saw Aoki get a takedown and get Kitaoka’s back. Kitaoka started bleeding from the nose here. Aoki landed a head kick and knee. Fourth round saw Aoki throw several knees from the clinch that put Kitaoka down and got his back. Kitaoka’s nose was bloody and gushing blood. They had awesome ring sound as you could here Kitaoka gurgling and breathing big through his mouth with all the blood in his nose. Aoki kept back position and went for chokes on five separate occasions in the round but never locked it in. But this was a 10-8 round. Kitaoka came out in the fifth throwing punches, but Aoki grabbed the clinch and took him down. Aoki locked on the body triangle, but Kitaoka escaped and got behind him. Aoki took him down. The finish saw Aoki go for a takedown but Kitaoka sprawled and started throwing knee after knee to Aoki’s head with Aoki on his belly until the round ended. It didn’t appear to be in danger of finishing but that would have been quite the comeback.

17. Fedor Emelianenko (33-4, 1 no contest) beat Satoshi Ishii (4-2-1) in 2:34. It was so weird to see a fight where Fedor was so much bigger than his opponent. When he fought Dan Henderson, Henderson looked just as big as him, and was wider and more muscular. Ishii was more muscular but so much smaller. Ishii tried a single leg takedown and couldn’t get it. Emelianenko used the size difference to power him down. He started landing punches and threw one punch so hard that when it missed, he lost his own balance and went down. But he landed a straight right that hurt Ishii, and a three punch combo knocked Ishii down and out and it was stopped.
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The announcement of the retirement of Abdullah the Butcher was the biggest news as the All Japan New Year Series began. Even though Abdullah, whose age is somewhere between 70 and 75, can’t walk, he was booked for this entire tour including in a singles match with Suwama. On the first night on Jan. 2, he was booked in a trios match teaming with Keiji Muto & Kikutaro against Masa Fuchi & Osamu Nishimura & Black Bushi. Abdullah came to the ring with a cane and said that he could not wrestle anymore and he had to retire. So he stayed outside the ring on the floor. He said he would be appearing at all the shows on the tour signing autographs and meeting fans but couldn’t wrestle. The plan right now is for the 3/20 show at Sumo Hall, the company’s first big show of the year, to be the Abdullah the Butcher retirement show. I wonder how that will do, as years ago that would be a huge deal. They did the Dory Funk Jr. retirement show a few years back and drew really well with it, so this may bring the old fans back for one night.
The website worstpreviews.com interviewed Sarah Coulter, who is the writer of the movie “Crossface,” a planned movie about Chris Benoit which is an adaptation of Matthew Randazzo’s “Ring of Hell” on the wrestling industry. She said, “There are a lot of unknowns about that weekend, which is why so many people have tried to fill in the blanks with conspiracy theories. Chris Benoit was behind the murders, but we still wanted to touch on several of those theories. Eddie (Guerrero) is obviously very important to the story. Triple H, Kurt Angle, they’re all there, but it’s early and things can change.” Regarding Benoit, she said, “Chris had a remarkable career. You take a look at his time in Japan and with Stu Hart and you realize that you’d need more than one movie to tell the entire Chris Benoit story. Ultimately’s it’s about the 2007 murders/suicide so we had to pick and choose the right moments in Chris’ career that may have been factors in his downfall.” A source close to the project told us they are finishing the second draft of the script and in talks with various actors. A lot of people in and out of wrestling have contacted the people doing the movie looking to get involved.
Miguel Torres’ firing was short-lived, although if you follow Dana White, you knew it would be as long as Torres did the smart thing. White brought Torres out as his surprise after the 12/28 press conference and announced he was back with the promotion some 20 days after he was fired for twitter stupidity. White claimed that since the incident happened, Torres has “reached out to every rape crisis center in Chicago and met with the people who run it and sat down and talked to them. He’s donated money to all the rape crisis centers. He has been taking rape sensitivity classes.” White also noted, “One of the things about me is we all make mistakes. I’ve made mistakes and I’m going to make more, believe me.” “There are some guys in this sport who deny, lie, say they didn’t do this, didn’t do that. There’s a conspiracy going on. He didn’t do any of that. He went in and handled himself like a man, and I respect that.” I didn’t realize R-Truth and Matt Hardy were under contract this year with UFC. White said that he had a meeting with Torres that morning, that he found out what Torres had done, and was bringing him back with no more reprisals. Bottom line is most felt he shouldn’t have been fired, and a message was sent in the sense I think outright twitter stupidity will decline (you can never make outright stupidity go away as long as you have people like Jacob Volkmann in your company, and when you’ve got 250-300 fighters under contract, many celebrities with no idea or training on how to be celebrities, the law of averages will get you fairly often).
An update on both Cain Velasquez and Junior Dos Santos following their 11/12 fight, which both went into with knee injuries. Dos Santos had minor knee surgery and is expected to be cleared shortly for hard training. Dana White said Velasquez will be undergoing an MRI this week to determine if he’ll need surgery. Dos Santos would be ready to fight Alistair Overeem whenever such a fight would be booked, which I’m guessing would be in the May to July range, probably sooner than later giving how many shows UFC is running and wanting to get two heavyweight title fights in during 2012 would be a good thing. But Velasquez hasn’t been booked for anything going forward (I think Frank Mir would make a good match-up, particularly with Brock Lesnar out of the picture and no reason to protect Mir for a potential huge rubber match with Lesnar).
The match order for the 2/26 show from the Saitama Super Arena (air date 2/25 in the usual time slot on PPV in North America) has as prelims likely on Fuel, Leonard Garcia vs. Tiequan Zhang, Hatsu Hioki vs. Bart Palaszewski, Takanori Gomi vs. George Sotiropolous, Takeya Mizugaki vs. Chris Cariaso, Kid Yamamoto vs. Vaughan Lee, Riki Fukuda vs. Steve Cantwell and Yushin Okami vs. Tim Boetsch. The main card has Joe Lauzon vs. Anthony Pettis, Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Jake Shields (Akiyama finally dropping to welterweight), Cheick Kongo vs. Mark Hunt, Ryan Bader vs. Quinton Jackson and the Frankie Edgar vs. Ben Henderson lightweight title match on top. What’s notable is that to the live crowd, guys like Gomi and Yamamoto in prelims are going to mean more than the main event will. Edgar vs. Henderson means nothing in the Japanese market even though they may have a tremendous fight. With Donald Cerrone knocked down the title match ladder, Lauzon vs. Pettis becomes more important. A note about this show, is that because of the issues with getting Visas for Japan, they may have a short window if guys get injured where they can still get replacements, but if there are pullouts in the last two or three weeks, the only way they’ll be able to replace them is to sign fighters who live in Japan. Hunt was a big star in Japan and they do like heavyweight matches there, but I’m still surprised in a sense that Hunt isn’t very good at MMA, while Okami is coming off a title shot and has a strong UFC record, and is Japanese, although he’s not well known in Japan. It’s hard with Yamamoto since he’s been such a washout in UFC, but in Japan, he and Akiyama are by far the biggest names when it comes to the local market.
The one-year suspension of Thiago Silva, which dates back to his 1/1 fight with Brandon Vera, where the urine he submitted for his drug test was not human urine, is now over. After being caught and it coming out, Silva admitted using injectable steroids through an epidural needle, claiming it was due to back problems that he had battled with for more than a year. He claimed at the time he felt pressured to do something for his back and to not pull out of the Vera fight because he was broke at the time and had a family. He will still have to go before the commission for a hearing in Nevada to get licensed unless UFC books him in a state like Texas that overlooks those things and he can bypass all that.
Shawn Jordan vs. Oli Thompson have also been added to the 3/3 show in Sydney. Te Huna is from New Zealand so was a natural for that date. Miller is campaigning for a shot at the featherweight title after a long stint as a lightweight. Thompson is a former powerlifter and strongman contest competitor from England who is 9-2 in MMA, making his debut. Jordan comes in the Strikeforce deal where they are bringing the Strikeforce heavyweights over. He’s 12-3, and was a fullback at Louisiana State University and made his name beating wrestling legend Carleton Haselrig a few years back.
Tomoya Miyashita, a veteran of the Deep promotion, passed away on 12/31 from leukemia at the age of 30. Miyashita fought for a number of promotions in Japan, including Deep, Pancrase and Zst, compiling a 17-9-7 record between 2002 and 2010. In his last two fights in 2010, he defeated current UFC fighter Darren Uyoneyama and lost via decision to Masakazu Imanari, who is a Dream regular who fought on New Year’s Eve.
Bob Sapp has signed to face Rolles Gracie, who looked terrible in his lone UFC fight for the One FC promotion.
Waylan Carenio of Hilo, HI, a 21-year-old fighter in the featherweight division who has done some local shows on the island, was charged with manslaughter in the death of 44-year-old Roy Williams Jr. after a fight on 12/3 in front of a sports bar. Police said that South Hilo officers were flagged down at 3 a.m. and found Williams unconscious lying on the road. Witnesses told police he had been in a fight, where he was knocked down and his head hit the pavement. He was taken to a local hospital, then transported to The Queen’s Medical Center in Oahu and passed away on 12/4. An autopsy ruled his death was due to blunt force trauma to the head. They believed it was from the head hitting the pavement as he fell and not from the punch. Carenio was on probation on a domestic abuse charge so was taken in. He had served 28 days in jail earlier this year on the charge, which also included two years probation. Williams had served five years in prison, only recently getting out, on a conviction of possession with intent to distribute cocaine.
Evan Bourne was confronted by HHH a few weeks back and blamed him for the story about R-Truth’s suspension being for spice getting out, as well as how they were doing it together and the delay in R-Truth’s suspension. R-Truth was announced as suspended after the post-Survivor Series Raw, where they did an injury angle to explain his absence. There is heat for the perception that somehow this was Bourne’s fault that the story got out. It wasn’t, although the perception would be such since Bourne complained about how it was possible for him to be suspended when the guy doing the exact same thing wasn’t. This led to a lot of weird double-talk, including one person involved in testing explaining that if you did spice and also marijuana, that the marijuana would somehow cause the spice to be blocked on the test and you’d only come up positive for pot. And pot is a fine, but not a suspension, while spice is a 30 day suspension. Of course, that makes no sense given R-Truth actually did fail and was suspended, only three weeks later. That’s weird how he was pinpointed given the entire locker room knew the story. I suppose had Bourne never questioned Dr. Black about how two people could be doing the same thing and one is suspended and the other isn’t, with nobody knowing the other was going to be suspended a few weeks later, probably nobody would have heard the story to begin with. As noted, the belief was R-Truth, since he had been in main events, was just having his deal covered up, but that also ended up not happening. HHH is not a fan of Bourne but Stephanie thinks he brings something unique to the table. But even with her support, there is fear or at least whispers in the company that he’s about to become the next Paul London, a super talented guy who is going to be completely broken mentally by the system. Others have noted to us that all of this has hurt Kingston. Right now they’ve both been pulled off Raw and put on Superstars, and sometimes Smackdown, even though they haven’t bothered to take the tag titles off them. It was noted that if they were really that hot at Bourne, they’d have had them drop the titles a month ago before his suspension, or if they were that mad now, could have done it since he got back, and split them up and give Kingston a singles program and then just bury Bourne from there. And that hasn’t happened. But there is at least some heat on Bourne with the idea you aren’t supposed to publicly show frustration with the company, and the feeling that at times he’s done that on twitter.
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The baddest woman on the planet, the day before her most devastating career win, tested positive for anabolic steroids according to a release sent out on 1/6 by the California State Athletic Commission.

Cristiane Justino Santos, 26, the Strikeforce women’s featherweight champion, better known as Cris Cyborg (11-1), tested positive for the anabolic steroid Stanazolol, also known as Winstrol. The test took place on 12/16, the day before knocking out the top contender for the title, Japan’s Hiroko Yamanaka, in 16 seconds.

But the repercussions of this are much deeper than any steroid test failure.

Besides the one year suspension, as well as a $2,500 fine implemented by the commission, Dana White announced that Santos has been stripped of her championship and that Strikeforce was going to do away with the featherweight championship. White said they were only keeping the championship at 145 pounds because of her, because of a lack of talent in the division, and would bring in opponents to face her. At this point they are going to have all the women under contract fight at 135 pounds.

A byproduct of this is it is a major blow to the potential of another women’s superfight like Cyborg vs. Gina Carano in 2009. In an attempt to market Ronda Rousey, the ultimate goal was a Rousey vs. Cyborg fight once Rousey had gotten a year or so worth of exposure as well as another year of ring time. The loss of Cyborg means the ultimate big women’s fight of this time period is Rousey vs. Miesha Tate for the bantamweight title, scheduled for 3/3 in Columbus, OH, and that match is nowhere near as marketable as a prospective Rousey vs. Cyborg match a year from now would have been.

Santos released a statement on Saturday, apologetic, saying she took a dietary aid because she was having trouble getting her weight down to the 145 pound featherweight limit.

“I am ultimately responsible for everything I put in my body, and at the end of the day, there is no excuse for having a prohibited substance in my system,” she wrote. “I do not condone the use of any performance enhancing drugs by myself or any other professional athlete, and willingly accept the penalties and fines that have been handed down to me by the California State Athletic Commission and those of the Strikeforce/Zuffa organization.”

In a radio interview on the MMA Insiders radio show in Las Vegas on Friday, White also gave the indication that the entire women’s featherweight division was likely to be dropped.

“We were going to hold that division and just do fights with Cyborg whenever there was a new contender,” said White on the show. “She’s getting stripped of the belt. This pretty much kills the division.”

Aside from Santos, the top female fighters under contract to Strikeforce, bantamweight champion Tate, former champion Sarah Kaufman and former Olympic judoka Rousey are all now competing at 135 pounds. Rousey, who competed in the Olympics at 154 pounds, winning a bronze medal in 2008, had fought at 145, but was dropping to 135 as a tactical move for a company desired fight with Tate for the championship. The ultimate goal was to set up a champion vs. champion potential showdown with Santos, considered the premiere woman fighter in the world.

However, should Gina Carano, still the most popular name in in women’s MMA return, it could bring the division back. Carano (7-1) hasn’t competed in nearly two-and-a-half years, but was scheduled to fight at one point this past summer until a medical condition forced the fight’s cancellation. Carano, 29, competes at 145 pounds, and her lone career loss was to Santos. She has struggled in the past with making weight, particularly when there have been attempts to get her to fight at a weight less than 145.

“While I was preparing myself for my last fight, I was having a difficult time cutting weight, and used a dietary supplement that I was assured was safe and not prohibited from use in sports competition,” Santos wrote. “It was never my intention to obtain an unfair advantage over Hiroko, mislead Strikeforce, the commission or my fans. I train harder than any fighter in MMA and do not need drugs to win in the cage, and I have proven this time and time again! My only mistake is not verifying the diet aid with my doctor beforehand, and understanding that it was not approved for use in the ring. Unfortunately in the end I suffer the consequences and must accept the responsibility for my actions.”

Santos is going to have to specify the supplement and be able to prove that supplement has Stanazolol in it or else nobody is going to believe her. She later claimed, without saying the name of the supplement, that she took a diet pill/diuretic to cut weight which is what triggered the positive test. Once again, I don’t know of a diuretic that contains Winstrol V, but more importantly, diuretics, which she didn’t test positive for, are also banned substances for fighters. She claimed it was an oral pill that she thought was a diuretic, claiming she has a fear of needles. While there have been supplements shown to cause positive tests for certain banned substances, there is no documentation of any supplement or diet aid that would make you test positive for Stanazolol, and the fear of needles is a tough one to take seriously given her tattoos. But we’ve created an environment where athletes believe they are forced to lie, and in this situation, what else can she say?

But even more so, this failure is going to be treated very differently than any other. First off, when a guy fails, the reaction is usually negative from an audience that believes them to be cheating, while another audience believes that everyone is cheating and they were just unlucky or stupid to get caught. The truth is probably somewhere between those two beliefs. But steroids don’t taint legacies of men who fail, at least that badly, or end careers. Josh Barnett has failed three steroid tests over the years, still hasn’t been licensed in California where he failed the last time, but has been able to continue his career and is in the finals of the Strikeforce Grand Prix tournament and came across as one of the biggest stars on the recent New Year’s Eve show in Japan. Vitor Belfort is still a major star, who got a title shot after testing positive for steroids, and his attempt to get back in the title picture isn’t going to be affected at all by his test result from a few years back. Chael Sonnen is one of the most heavily promoted fighters on the UFC roster and was also used by UFC even though he hadn’t been licensed in the state where he was suspended. Royce Gracie is still considered a legend in the sport and his test failure in his final win, a listed win over rival Kazushi Sakuraba, is considered a minor footnote in his career.

But with Santos, the reaction is different. It is exceedingly unlikely that Santos is the only woman fighting in MMA who uses performance enhancing drugs. As best we can tell, she’s the second somewhat name woman fighter (Carina Damm was the first) to test positive for steroids. However, she does both look and fight completely different than any major star. Does this mean she is simply predisposed to getting great results from training and steroids, because everyone is different? Does this mean she uses more than anyone else?

While steroids are a performance enhancer in men, they are far more of a competitive advantage to women, because women naturally produce very little testosterone, so when you jack it up to the level of a male, it’s far more of unbalancing the playing field. Worse, given that if anything, she didn’t look quite as physically impressive in her last fight, it would be hard to believe this was an isolated incident.

The reality is you would have to be naive to believe she was clean from the day she arrived in the U.S. But, she is hardly the only star in the sport you would say that about. But the reaction is, because she’s a woman, who has been so dominant, that every win is in question and her legacy is destroyed. Although she passed all tests, the feeling is now that she cheated with steroids to run through Gina Carano, the sport’s former princess. And while some defenders of steroids in the sport who try to say that in a skill sport it doesn’t make a difference, the fact is when it comes to just fighting skill, Santos is no better than a lot of the woman fighters. I remember talking with Marloes Coenen, about her fight with Liz Carmouche, who she noted was strong but never hurt her. When asking about her compared with Cyborg, it was like, she was nothing, Cyborg was strong like a man. There is the famous clip of her power bombing a 220 pound Tito Ortiz in practice when caught in a triangle that takes low back strength like a 170 pound fit athletic woman would not have. She hit too hard and was too strong for her opponents. In this case, her power and aggression, both of which now have to be taken into question, was the difference maker.

Yet you want us to believe that the camp she comes from will find this athletic woman and make her an experiment, and that the guys aren’t learning from the experiment? It’s more likely what she did was based on what was successful with the guys, and not the other way around.

In a year, when her suspension is up, does she even get another chance? Her test result release wasn’t even a few hours old when the decision was made to drop her entire weight class from competition. Although if Carano, now a movie star, wants to come back, I would expect they would revive the division for her marketability given Carano had enough trouble making 145, and you’re asking for trouble if you want her to fight at 135.

You have to look no farther than Ben Johnson in sprinting, who after his positive test in 1988 garnered more attention to drug use in sports than anything in history, that he continued his career and due to pressure, had to be drug free. He went from blowing away the field to being mediocre, such was the difference. And that’s just running. MMA is a skill sport to be sure, and all the steroids in the world won’t make you a Cris Cyborg or fill in the blank of the top star male fighter that you deep down know has gotten there with chemical help. But can they make a very skilled good fighter into one far more difficult to beat? Are they a major difference maker? If everything else is equal, they are likely a major difference maker. Yet you’ve got a sport where the testing is years behind the times and something that those in the profession largely laugh and wink at. It’s the secret of the sport that everyone brings up behind closed doors but few want to talk about publicly. And it will likely, for the men, continue to be like that.

But the reaction is different here, as instead of maybe being a cheater, you had a situation where there was a fighter so head-and-shoulders above her competition that she didn’t belong. While Yamanaka was by no means a great fighter, and she herself came into the fight with a record based on beating much smaller women, she was legitimately the No. 1 contender worldwide in the eyes of many, and only lasted 16 seconds. Before the Carano fight, the consensus was that Carano was the more skilled stand-up fighter, but there was a strength and power difference she’d have to deal with. The reality was, she wasn’t competitive. Coenen, with far more experience and a ground specialist, wasn’t competitive either.

But here is the issue. She also passed every test necessary until this last one. And physically, she actually looked very slightly off in San Diego as compared to previous big fights. If a guy tests positive and comes back with a new physique where you can see a significant difference when it comes to losing tightness or muscle bulk, then they probably returned clean. If there is little difference, most likely they are just smarter when it comes to not getting caught. If Santos was caught because her handlers made a mental error, or because her system played a dirty trick on her because clearance periods of different drugs are not 100% and that’s why a few people do get caught, the reality is she could have just as easily gone through her whole career without this taint. It’s the thin line for having a career for a woman end in disgrace, and being lauded historically as the greatest ever in her sport.

The result of the fight held on the 12/17 Strikeforce show at the Valley View Casino Center in San Diego, has been overturned by the commission and ruled a no contest.

“Our primary concern is for the health and safety of fighters, said CSAC Executive Officer George Dodd in a press release sent out on Friday. “Anabolic agents and other banned substances put not only the users of those agents at risk, but their opponents as well. The commission simply will not tolerate their use.”’

The release stated that the commission received the test results on 12/23 from the World Anti-doping Agency lab at UCLA.

The release didn’t state the length of time of the suspension, but that it would start on 12/16. In the past, California has suspended fighters who fail steroid tests for one year. Santos, generally considered the best female fighter in the world, has the right to appeal the suspension.

In its history, UFC has had three occasions where current champions had test positive for steroids, and get suspended. Josh Barnett was the first, in 2002, in the match where he defeated Randy Couture for the heavyweight title in Las Vegas. Tim Sylvia in 2003, failed after a successful title defense against Gan McGee, also in Las Vegas. Lightweight champion Sean Sherk in 2007 failed in California after a title defense against Hermes Franca.

In all three cases, the champions were stripped of their titles.

Stanazolol is the anabolic agent that sprinter Ben Johnson tested positive for in the 1988 Olympics. It is used in weight class sports because it is believed to lead to increases or maintenance of strength levels while cutting weight to make a weight class.

Generally, injectable Stanazolol clears ones system when it comes to urine tests in about two months, while the oral version clears in three weeks.

Santos, like most fighters, walks around significantly higher than the 145 pounds she weighs-in at, and has in the past had trouble making weight.

She became the first Strikeforce women’s champion on August 15, 2009, when she stopped Carano, at the HP Pavilion in San Jose before 13,976 fans. It was the first time a woman’s fight was ever the main event of a major boxing or MMA show, and the match set ratings records for MMA on Showtime. The fight was the most searched item on Yahoo and the single most talked about topic in the world on that night on Twitter. Santos, who was noted for fighting a wild, aggressive, crowd pleasing style, was too physically strong for Carano and finished her with strikes on the ground at 4:59. But Santos’ fights since that time have not had anywhere close to the same level of interest.

The fight with Yamanaka was the first for Santos in 19 months after a lengthy contractual dispute.

Santos, with her physique that looks like a female bodybuilder, had been the most dominant female fighter on the U.S. scene ever since her arrival from Brazil in 2008.

Originally a standout handball player in Brazil, she began fighting at the age of 19. A native of Curatiba, Brazil, she started at the same academy that produced Wanderlei Silva, who her fighting style has always been compared to, and Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. She married Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos, who was a well known fighter who became a star in Japan and at one time challenged for the Strikeforce welterweight title.

The couple moved to San Diego, where she teaches and trains at a gym called The Arena.

In recent weeks, Rousey had all but directly said Santos was on steroids, with lines that Santos would be able to make 135 pounds if she stopped doing what she was doing.

“I feel like anyone with half a brain isn’t surprised,” Rousey said on The MMA Show with Mauro Ranallo. “I have mixed emotions of Cyborg being caught cheating because I know everyone knew she was cheating and I wanted to make an example of her because you don’t need to take steroids to win. I think her getting caught is a great thing too. I don’t have the least bit of respect for her because I always knew she was a cheater, and now everyone else knows too. If she ever comes back to fight again, she won’t be the same beast she was before. She might even try doing different things like HGH that are harder to get caught for. Who knows if Strikeforce ever wants her back.”

“Well, I am disappointed to find out she was using,” wrote Tate. “I gave her the benefit of the doubt too, and really admired her.”

“Don’t want to kick an opponent when she’s down,” wrote Marloes Coenen. “I still respect her and we will meet again at Invicta.”

Dr. Rosi Sexton (a PHD in Theoretical Computer Science, not a medical doctor although she is a practicing osteopath and Cambridge University graduate ), a female fighter with Bellator, responded by writing in Bloodyelbow.com that after seeing the news, “I felt a little like a ten year old whose parents have just admitted that Santa Claus doesn’t exist. A tiny bit disappointed, but mostly relieved that now we can all stop pretending.”

She noted that when people defend use, or see it as a non-issue, based on the idea everyone is taking them, that they miss the point.

“The problem is that this is a combat sport. In most sports, the consequences of failure might be measured in pride, status or money. IN MMA, you add physical damage and injury. In female MMA, for example, you can find yourself watching a fighter who is essentially (in hormonal terms) male, beat up a woman. It often makes for uncomfortable viewing. It’s bad for the sport, and most of all, it’s bad for the fighters. It sends the message that following the rules is penalized by getting your face smashed in.”

She also noted that those defending Cyborg by saying she trained so hard are naive, saying , “Look, just working hard in the gym won’t give a woman muscles like that any more than eating worms and flapping your arms will make you fly.”

The issue here is that if you see photos of Santos at the start of her career, and the after photos, the change is remarkable. You can lose weight, gain muscle, gain weight through training, diet and eating. But she has the exact same facial changes as a high level competitive female bodybuilder. She’s also passed all her previous tests, which speak more to the ease of passing those tests.

Sexton noted that there is a reality of the sport, and everyone knows it. Right now you have the ultimate hypocrisy situation, and this is not blaming anyone in specific, yet in a sense everyone in power is part of the problem.

You have a situation where performance enhancing drugs are illegal in the sport, but are greatly rewarded. You get bigger, stronger, hit harder and can recover from more training. There are downsides. You can gas out quicker, but if you have good advisers, that won’t be the case. While you can recover from injuries faster, you also will get nagging injuries more often due to muscle imbalances. And if you’re really unlucky, or really stupid, you may fail a test and if you’re a champion and a woman, it’ll taint your entire career. If you’re a guy, you’ll be thrashed everywhere, lose sponsors, but if you’re a nice guy about it, fans will eventually forget. If you can draw money, people in power will immediately forget.

If you examine risk vs. reward, the scales are heavily balanced toward reward. And I don’t know if there’s anything that can change that, because the same goes for all Olympic sports, and they have the hardest testing in the world. Still, a lot more can be done. But for financial reasons, it can’t be done by athletic commissions. Some commissions I believe do as much as they can afford to do financially. Others don’t care. Situations with Chael Sonnen, Nate Marquardt and Alistair Overeem have in every case put commissions in a bad light. You have members of commissions who clearly understand the subject, and other political appointees who are clearly over their heads in dealing with it.

Sonnen was never cleared by the commission that suspended him. While his situation came at great cost, easily seven figures to him for having his momentum delayed and losing his rematch opportunity with Anderson Silva (some of it may be recouped if he gets the shot this year, but not all), he is still one of the most heavily promoted athletes on the Zuffa roster. Marquardt lost his job, but for reasons nobody can adequately explain, was not suspended even though he had too much testosterone in his system in a test, something that has actually never been fully proven about Sonnen. Overeem was ordered on 11/17 by the Nevada commission to take a test within the next two days. While he took tests over the next few weeks, the first test was the wrong test and didn’t have a steroid panel (it did show him in normal testosterone range), the second test sample somehow disappeared with no results, and the first test with results, where he was clean, was taken on 12/14.

But even throwing these three out, unless you are a main event fighter on a major show in California and Nevada where you may get tested during camp, you can use most PEDs, with the exception of the ones that stay in your system a long time, with impunity in training. You know when to get off, and it’s no difference than knowing when to taper down hardcore training to be fully rested for fight day, and no different from manipulating your diet to make sure you make weight on fight day, and then come back as big as possible 27 or so hours later when you step in the cage. Some PEDs, Growth Hormone, you can take with impunity if you want right until the afternoon of the fight, as there is no testing for it. And while some will claim differently because there is a test being used in the Olympics, there is actually no significant test for it because to this day athletes use that drug with impunity and with no fear of a test that never catches anyone except a few near setups that have been used to prove its effectiveness in a scare tactic.

Sexton wrote:

We have a choice to make. We can decide that we want steroids out of the sport. In that case, athletic commissions, governing bodies, promotions alike need to work together to implement the gold standard of drug policies. The World Anti-Doping Agency works with sporting organizations and produces model rules and protocols. As a minimum, off season random testing of fighters is essential. It might never be possible to get rid of performance enhancing drugs entirely, but it’s possible to tighten the net and change the balance between risk and reward in favor of the clean athlete. Some of the athletic commissions are starting to move toward stricter testing, but much more still needs to be done.

Right now the major promotions have the government scapegoat. The governmental agencies regulate the sport in their states, but all are financially unable to do the level of testing necessary. Plus, there is already a dual reality, to where if you are a main eventer in Nevada, you have to implement a different drug program than if you are a main eventer in Texas. And if you are a mid-card fighter, no matter where, you have more leeway than a main eventer because you’re only going to be tested the day of the show no matter where you fight. And if you are in a smaller organization in a number of states, you probably won’t be tested. It’s impossible to have the sport be what it should be as far as testing. It’s not going to happen. However, UFC can and should implement a policy. It’s embarrassing if you think about it that in a sports competition, where a woman like Cyborg was for years able to beat up women who were likely either not chemically enhanced, or at least not to the level she was, that athletes have a far easier testing program than wrestlers in the WWE. And lord knows there are major issues in the WWE program, and it’s not close to as strong as the one track athletes have to go through. And in track, or in baseball, it’s all about world records and statistical numbers. In MMA, it’s about avoiding getting your face smashed in. In baseball, you can argue that long-term health issues are involved. In pro wrestling, there are even greater arguments due to the track record of the profession. But in MMA, or kickboxing, or boxing, the reality is, it’s not only a competitive advantage, but in more cases than not, it’s safer. Whatever issues someone taking reasonable doses may have health wise later in life is not going to be as pressing a concern as avoiding getting the hell beaten out of you next week by a chemically enhanced athlete.

Of course, then you have all kinds of issues as we’ve seen with not just WWE, but in football, baseball and other sports, where some very fishy things happen when large sums of money are at stake. Alistair Overeem situations, while not exact, happen in all testing sports when there are star performers, from getting advanced notice for supposed random tests, to covering up results or delaying the implementation of results. We’ve created a generation of athletes who are taught by the time they are in college to lie at all costs. The honest ones are snitches, and often reprimanded by authorities. It is so deeply imbedded in many sports at the top level, and pro wrestling is a sport in this regard, that PEDs are simply part of the game that you deny at all cost, and that testing is a necessary evil that you learn the protocol of and learn how not to get caught. There is a belief, whether true or not, that deep down, whether it’s the NFL, UFC, WWE or the Olympics, that the authorities don’t care one way or the other what you’re using, only that you don’t get caught under their watch and ruin plans. Those in charge may argue that is unfair, and I don’t doubt in some cases it is, but it is a prevailing belief among the athletes involved.

There is no other viable answer. Eliminating the drug testing completely will give the sport a far more negative public stigma, threaten future sponsorship and even, if something terrible happens, threatens the sport’s life blood because the wrong thing at the wrong time could threaten current and future television deals. The answer to the problem right now, the current situation is the easiest.

Or, as Sexton stated:

We can decide that all this is too much trouble. The point is often made that MMA is more a business than a sport, and it’s true that many casual fans are more concerned about seeing exciting fights than what the athletes are taking before they get into the cage.

If this is the route we want to go down, then we should change the rules and allow athletes to use drugs freely, without the stigma of cheating attached. Of course there are risks and side effects, but we can at least have an honest, grown up decision about the medical issues, without the hypocrisy that surrounds the subject at the moment. Athletes could make an informed decision to balance the risks of the drugs against the risks of being the one not taking them. Neither set of risks should be underestimated. As a fighter, I’ve never used steroids, and I don’t want to start now. Of the two options, I’d prefer to see an improved standard of testing. But the important thing for the sport and everyone involved in it, is that we come clean about it one way or the other.
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I wouldn’t take this too seriously right now, but Simon Kelly Inoki said he was trying to put together a Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor Emelianenko match. Only it would be a pro wrestling match between the two. Inoki said they are looking at getting Lesnar to wrestle in the IGF, and talked about potential matches with Kazuyuki Fujita, Jerome LeBanner and Emelianenko, who he said they are also trying to get to debut in pro wrestling. I don’t see either Lesnar or Emelianenko doing any pro wrestling with the IGF because the asking price for Lesnar is going to be ridiculously high, and I don’t see Emelianenko’s people letting him do it until after his fighting career is over. Given what IGF pays, I can’t see either Lesnar nor Emelianenko being interested. It’s more for kickboxing legends like LeBanner and Peter Aerts who have nowhere to fight and make big money anymore to make some money, or for a guy like Josh Barnett who clearly loves pro wrestling and it allows him to do the style he likes and keep his foot in the door while maintaining his MMA career.
Kevin Nash and Ultimate Warrior ended up being a much talked about item this past week. It all started on twitter when someone asked Warrior why he didn’t dye his hair and do a Kevin Nash return to WWE. Warrior responded saying, “I’m not a d***head who thrives on stealing the limelight from young guys.” Nash, either hurt and making himself look silly, or using it was a way to get his name talked about in both wrestling and MMA gossip circles, challenged Warrior to a supposed real fight. “Put up 100K, I’ll do the same. 3 rounds, mma rules, winner take all. I’m talking shoot, not sports entertainment. Jim Hellwig needs to shut the f**k up. Day before Mania in the Miami area. Warrior will have to pass all hiv and hep a b and c tests. I’ll do the same. I’m tired of this guy talking sh** about the boys and me. When they stop it or you tap, I’ll quit, or you can apologize like the c**t you are.” Nash later claimed Warrior ran out of his gym to avoid him. “You want to go pussy. Name the place and time. If not, shut your dick sucker and forget my name. Bitch make me 100K richer.” In an attempt to capitalize on this, Rob Feinstein called Nash about doing it as part of the WrestleReunion in conjunction with Mania this year on the Dragon Gate USA show and Nash agreed. Hellwig gave a video response, saying that everything he said about Nash is true, and that everyone in wrestling knew everything he said about Nash was true, from all the wrestlers down to the people working the concession stands, and pointed out that nobody has come out and defended Nash. He called him a conniver and manipulator and that he sabotaged the careers of many wrestlers. He said his buddy Paulie (HHH) was the same. He said that neither he nor Nash are MMA fighters and that virtually every MMA fighter on any MMA show would hand both of them their ass. He also joked about the idea of putting up $100,000 so somebody else could prosper, and said if he could find outside investors to put up money if they believe people are interested, and he made it clear it would have to be in excess of $1 million for him to consider such a thing, he would agree to the fight. But he said that he’d never apologize for what he said because it’s true. Hellwig said that he wasn’t going to talk about this any longer and that Nash got his 48 hours of relevancy out of it. Nash then said, “Helwig goes Dr. evil on me. What does he want, 1 billion dollars? How about this Jim, you pick the time and place for free and fun.” Of course this will never happen unless it’s a pro wrestling match, and even then it’s highly unlikely to happen.
A story that former NAVY Sea Chris Kyle claimed to have punched out Jesse Ventura many years ago at a bar was vehemently denied by Ventura. The story, reported nationally, sounded suspicious, because the idea that someone punched a well known former governor in a public place five years ago would have almost certainly gotten out at the time it happened. Kyle, in an interview on the Opie & Anthony radio show, claimed that a group of Navy Seals were at a bar in Coronado, CA, about five years back and Ventura was talking about how much he hated the war and claimed Ventura said,“You (the NAVY Seals” deserve to lose a few guys.” Kyle then claimed he decked Ventura, knocking him out, and ran away. After the claim that he decked Ventura, who is now 60, for mouthing off, given Ventura is a former Governor, the story was covered by a lot of different media and played up fairly big on FOX News. First of all, you can say what you want about Ventura, and the idea he’d go on and on about not liking the war, or criticize then-President Bush, sure, that’s Ventura, completely believable. The idea he’d talk a lot, yep, that’s Ventura. The idea he’d make that comment to Seals, when he was at the bar for a Seals reunion, and he himself was a Navy Seal, is beyond preposterous. Ventura has demanded an apology from FOX News, which played up the story big. Ventura tried to be clever in a radio appearance on the Alex Jones show on 1/10, saying that Kyle was publicly confessing to the crime of assault, not only assault, but assault on a former Governor, and he just wanted to publicly clear his name because it never happened. Ventura said he had not been punched in Coronado, CA, since 1973, and said there is no police record of such as assault, that there would have been tons of witnesses in a crowded bar and given his public profile, it would have gotten out immediately. “If a former Governor within the SEAL community had been knocked down and hit and assaulted, it would have traveled through the SEAL community like wildfire and for this person to now say it happened five-and-a-half or six years after it happened, that’s absurd.”
Harry Smith is looking at entering grappling tournaments first before going into MMA. The story is he may start in MMA in Japan where there would be a lot more interest in a pro wrestler and the son of Davey Boy Smith debuting, but Japan MMA is dead when it comes to serious money and big-time exposure. Smith has been training at Batista’s Gym in Tampa, and is scheduled to also train in Arkansas under Billy Robinson.
Kurt Angle has now guaranteed he will either make the Olympic team, or at least be an alternate and be sent to London for the games. Not happening. Angle claimed that in 2000, he couldn’t go back because he was new to the business, that in 2004 he broke his neck (he was interested in 2003, and talked to Brock Lesnar about both training together and going for it but Lesnar had no interest going back to amateur wrestling) and in 2008 he was going through a divorce. He claimed his body and his neck are fine. Do-or-die for him is the Olympic qualifying tournament in April. In reality, Angle has next to no chance with his age and injuries, plus unless Jake Varner gets hurt, you’re talking about a guy who is in his prime and placed second in the world championships and has a legit shot at a medal in the 211 pound weight class. In a New York Post interview he complained about WWE guys stealing his moves, Swagger doing the ankle lock and Orton doing the Olympic slam. Keep this man away from tapes of Takashi Sugiura. He said that Ken Shamrock did the ankle lock before he did, but he didn’t do it until Shamrock was out of the business.

Foxsports.com had a good article on Angle. They talked to Dave Hawk, Angle’s business manager and good friend, who said, “It’s this crisis in his mind thinking, `I’m not Kurt Angle anymore. I’m Kurt Angle, this character on TV. But Kurt Angle was real once. He needs to prove it not only to the world but to himself. He wants to regain his youth, prove he’s still there and still has it.” While Angle claimed to others that he guaranteed he’d make the team or be an alternate, in this article he spoke differently. “Do I still have a shot? Yeah, but it’s a long shot. These guys are younger, quicker, but I might be smarter. When I show up at the trials, people will say, `Holy (crap), he showed up. If I do well, it’ll be `Holy (crap), he did well.” USA Wrestling is insisting Angle come to Colorado and train with the Olympic wrestlers because they don’t want to be part of a carnival side show if Angle doesn’t belong in the trials.

Angle was in Sirius XM on 1/9 and must have taken some brutally honest pills because he said he thought 2011 was a subpar year for the company, and said the biggest problem was the lack of communication between the writing team and the creative team. He said he knows that the scripts are done, but ten everyone starts changing things and the end result is a direction that the writers never intended in the first place. He said Vince Russo writes the shows, but Hogan and Bischoff and others change things at the last minute. He said he’s not against the changes and backed Hogan 100%, but felt this should be done a week before the shows and not at the last second. He noted Hogan changing the result of the Bound for Glory main event the night of the show. He noted that it worked out for the better, but he didn’t like that he and Roode found out at the last minute when he was trying to work a match with a torn hamstring and shouldn’t have been wrestling in the first place. He also said they haven’t done Samoa Joe justice.
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