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I just finished reading Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides on Nook. A great read about western expansion focusing on the life of Kit Carson.

I've always identified with the mountain man myth more than cowboys so that made the book that much more enjoyable for me. It doesn't romaticize American expansionism and it does a good job of telling both sides of the American Indian situation in a way so it's not emotionally overbearing.


Great read. I recommend it highly. Now I'm going to read In the Heart of the Sea by Nathaniel Philbrick I hope I enjoy it more than Moby Dick.

Have you read Crow Killer?

Ed Zachary wrote:I've always identified with the mountain man myth more than cowboys so

Fat Cat wrote:Have you read Crow Killer?

Yessir. Great book. Bad mother.

And come on Proto that's nowhere near the gayest thing I've posted.

Yes, Blood And Thunder was a great book. Being a Navajo I grew up with all the older Navajo's saying what an evil person Kit Carson was. I always figured there was more to the story. Kit Carson saved the Navajo by incarcerating them in Bosque Redondo, because Carlton would've rather just wiped them out. For Navajos to blame one man like Carson is to miss the whole point that with Manifest Destiny in play, Navajos were gonna lose their shit anyway. A man like Kit Carson just made the government dick in the ass less painful and possibly saved them from annihilation. Good book on a little known piece of history.

Thanks EZ. From the little bit I just read on Amazon, this seems like a kick ass story.

Monts wrote:Yes, Blood And Thunder was a great book. Being a Navajo I grew up with all the older Navajo's saying what an evil person Kit Carson was. I always figured there was more to the story. Kit Carson saved the Navajo by incarcerating them in Bosque Redondo, because Carlton would've rather just wiped them out. For Navajos to blame one man like Carson is to miss the whole point that with Manifest Destiny in play, Navajos were gonna lose their shit anyway. A man like Kit Carson just made the government dick in the ass less painful and possibly saved them from annihilation. Good book on a little known piece of history.

My 4th Grade Teacher used to tell us stories from the year she spent working at a Navajo Rez.

One day I had an old Classics Illistrated comic on Kit Carson and she told me the story about when she was with some friends from the Rez and she saw the Kit Carson Museum or something like that and ssaid to her friends how she would like to go check it out. She told us her friends were not to keen on that and it's also when I learned that some Natives don't like $20 bills because of Andrew Jackson.

Hey Mont's help me out with something here.
We all know I am not a politicolly correct person in the least but I still don't call Native Americans "Indians" because I look at as a stupid name that stuck because Columbus thought he was in India and the name stuck (and as a part Nordski, I say fuck him, my people were the first Europeans to land in the Americas. I teach my kids to correct their teachers on this like I always did.) and I feel if I wasfull or 3/4 Native (well I got a good bit, our first Nordski in America, R. Adm. Pedar Kristian Asserson married a Delaware and we have some Cherokke as well.) I'd take offense at being called an Indian.

So what do you feel is the right name to use?

It kind of depends. For me, I could care less if someone says "Indian", "Native American", "Indigenous", etc. I even feel like Native American is an incorrect term as well, because anybody born here is basically a Native American. First Nations sounds the more correct, but that's me. I honestly don't spend too much thought on it. I'd say go with Native American, it's the most generic and probably the least likely to offend. Around me, Monty is fine. I agree with the Nordski stuff too, which is probably why a lot of northeastern tribes are lighter skinned and seem more prone to fight. I'm not very politically correct either Dylan. I've even posed this question to some of my more politically correct Native contemporaries and there are a variety of answers. Sorry I'm not much help.

Dlyna, everything you need to know about our Native American brothers is contained in this song by Paul Revere and the Raiders! Listen to it...study it!

They took the whole Cherokee Nation
And put us on this reservation
Took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife

They took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

They took the whole Indian Nation
And locked us on this reservation
And though I wear a shirt and tie
I’m still a red man deep inside

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

But maybe someday when they learn
Cherokee Nation will return
Will return
Will return
Will return
Will return

Shapecharge wrote:Dlyna, everything you need to know about our Native American brothers is contained in this song by Paul Revere and the Raiders! Listen to it...study it!

They took the whole Cherokee Nation
And put us on this reservation
Took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife

They took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

They took the whole Indian Nation
And locked us on this reservation
And though I wear a shirt and tie
I’m still a red man deep inside

Cherokee people, Cherokee tribe
So proud to live, so proud to die

But maybe someday when they learn
Cherokee Nation will return
Will return
Will return
Will return
Will return

The trajidy of the Cherokee is they did adapt a western way of life and local goveremnt. The totally played ball with us and Andrew Jackson screwed them anyways.
Lot's of the usual "We fucked the Natives." os bullshit, plenty were savage asses stuck in the stone Age, some nasty customers who needed killing off but the Cherokee is one of the handfull of cases where we were dead wrong.