Navy SEALS Affirmative Action Program

Holland Oates · Post by **Holland Oates** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:30 am

Sua Sponte wrote:
johno wrote:SS, yes, I had a SEAL in my Ranger School squad; on the positive side, he was a Pushup Machine....
And this seems to be the source of the bad-assery claims, lots and lots of cals. Not a lot of use when what you have to do is hump 10-40 miles with 50-100+ lbs of equipment with multiple thousand ft+ elevation changes across dead fall, day and night, while trying to stay alert and oriented to the ground, days on end.

johno wrote:......On the negative side, he sucked pretty bad at Land Nav (so did I) and was unmemorable as a squad/platoon leader.
Yet, these are some of the things that matter most. They just don't make great TV or movies.

I've got a good friend who trains recruits for the DOE. A wide variety of people come through his academy ranging from SEALS to cops to civilians and he said the SEALS are no more impressive than any other group of prior service bullet slingers and are less than impressive in most cases.

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:10 pm

Throwing out a gill net amongst the Marines would be a simpler recruiting solution.

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:43 pm

Throwing out a gill net amongst the Marines would be a simpler recruiting solution.

Wouldnt you think being in the Navy would require a little swimming skill? I mean theres a 95% chance youre going to be on an ocean somewhere.

Special schools have changed. I watched surviving the cut about the Marine Recon and didnt recognize/remember half the bullshit they went through. Nobody hazed us constantly, they taught us and drilled us to perfection. Hell, we started with 15 and finished with 12. Two drops (who went back to STA platoons) and one bad injury who finished next cycle. I just remember the Sgt Maj saying "We chose you to attend, we want to teach you to the best of our abilities"

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:52 pm

tough old man wrote:
Throwing out a gill net amongst the Marines would be a simpler recruiting solution.
Wouldnt you think being in the Navy would require a little swimming skill? I mean theres a 95% chance youre going to be on an ocean somewhere.

Special schools have changed. I watched surviving the cut about the Marine Recon and didnt recognize/remember half the bullshit they went through. Nobody hazed us constantly, they taught us and drilled us to perfection. Hell, we started with 15 and finished with 12. Two drops (who went back to STA platoons) and one bad injury who finished next cycle. I just remember the Sgt Maj saying "We chose you to attend, we want to teach you to the best of our abilities"

I believe you're on to something. It could be speculated the Navy already has more unqualified applicants than they need.

The Crawdaddy · Post by **The Crawdaddy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:47 pm

tough old man wrote: Wouldnt you think being in the Navy would require a little swimming skill? I mean theres a 95% chance youre going to be on an ocean somewhere.

Swimming - yes. As in not sinking and able to provide some self-propulsion (like a length of the pool). Fish-like ability not required.

Oh, and if a submariner sees enough water to swim in just about anyplace other than pierside, he's FUBAR.

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:45 pm

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:57 pm

Dan Martin wrote:

Do you always hit on squids?

Dan Martin · Post by **Dan Martin** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:59 pm

Turdacious wrote:
Dan Martin wrote:
Do you always hit on squids?

Not at all. A double post.

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:28 pm

Dan Martin wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Dan Martin wrote:
Do you always hit on squids?

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:35 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/v ... h/28428868

"It comes down to desire..."

tough old man · Post by **tough old man** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:09 pm

Amazing story. Thanks for the link.

johno · Post by **johno** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:49 pm

Great link, Jack.

Books I've read by US Delta types give the highest praise to the Aussie SAS.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:51 pm

nafod wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:is the operational question of blending in with non white populations a ruse or is it important?
Very important, by my observation. Ability to speak local languages also.

Most SOF stuff involves hanging with the local homies and getting in with them. Lots of wearing of civvies. You can always bring the white folks forward for the direct action.

The man who we named the traing forum for ran such a unit that had people of different ethnic extractions (But was still majority "white" as all high speed, high risk units are. I remeber him speaking very highly of a Sgt. who was of Ethiopean birth in Somolia. "That sceen in Blakhawk down , where they have a white Delta guy in civies in the market. Well that was one of ours, not Delta and he was a black guy."

There are units that specialise in the plan cloths work in SOCOM and INSCOM, SEALs are mostly direct action.

I don't see anything wrong with encouraging minorities to go for elite units but I do see something wrong with special treatment. You lesson something when you make standars lower for a specific segment. Leave Specal Forces selctions to being one of the few real, objective, results based test left.

Bottom line patriotism is in low supply in Black America, willingness to fight and die for your country does not have the pull for them that mindless gang wars seem to. The ones who come into the service tend to go towards support units more than Infantry, Armour or Artillery. If you don't have the drive to drive a Tank in battle you sure as fuck are not the kind of guy who can operate covertly for days on end, in a 4 to 12 man team in enemy held territory.
Hats off to the ones who do have the drive, for they are exceptional as Americans and Ultra exceptional for their race and that is a brutal truth.

BTW, this is an advantage if there ever was a race war. At 11-15 % of trhe populatin and such a small amount of them have real combative training (Fighting all the time does not necessarily make you good at it, I beat many Gheto trash sensless growing up.) This ensures that if the low probability event of a full on race war has an almost impossable probability of them ever winning a damn thing in one. The Rednecks would slaughter them and rednecks do join the military and do go for combat arms and a good deal of them are in SOF units. " I can skin a Buck and run a Trout line, as well as set up a L- shaped ambush with 8 men and home made claymore mines, cause this country boy will thrive." their song might go.

When more blacks see themselves as people and Americans over their skin colour you will see more black SEALs.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:56 pm

tough old man wrote:
My Larry Bailey info is so ancient, it's straight out of Gung Ho magazine.
That was a great magazine for a while. I had a few collectors editions of Gung Ho (the Airborne, Ranger and SF editions) I sent to Bats a while ago.
I thought black people couldn't swim?
Thats the point. They are setting up special programs to teach minorities how to do things like that. And hopefully land nav too.

Trooper loved Marines, loved working with them and his unit did include some but he said the harest thing about getting Marines to pass their Selection was most Amrines can't work a compass, a noted para cord and a map for shit. He said he personally would try to get the Marines in the group together pre selection and give them the crash coarse in this.

DPR · Post by **DPR** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:04 am

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/06/ ... 4800.shtml

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:11 am

Schlegel wrote:I have seen people claim that the poor and minorities are being sent to die, but honestly the truth is the military is drawn predominantly from middle class and lower middle class white guys because that's who volunteers. It's not because the military has a preference- I assure you recruiters don't care a tiny bit what ethnicity you are, they need to make quota. I have a bunch of former and current military family members. They don't give a shit what color anybody is if they do a good job. That crap was all hashed out in the 70's.

Exactly, no one is sent to die, everyone in the armed forces volunteered. Any of them who bitches "I just signed up for college money, not to go to war. " is a fool who was ignorent of what the military does. No one is grabbed off the street and sent to war. When you hear that "sent offf to die." shit, it's usually out of the mouth of a useless Liberal.

Sua Sponte · Post by **Sua Sponte** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:48 pm

Ed Zachary wrote: I've got a good friend who trains recruits for the DOE. A wide variety of people come through his academy ranging from SEALS to cops to civilians and he said the SEALS are no more impressive than any other group of prior service bullet slingers and are less than impressive in most cases.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think there's anything easy about BUD/S. I have been to the Army's SF combat dive course-it was a tough school and the SEAL/S are much, much better in the water. All the rhetoric around BUD/S is soooo hard reminds me of crossfit and the 'we can do your stuff as well as you can and our stuff way better than you...'

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:04 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:
Ed Zachary wrote: I've got a good friend who trains recruits for the DOE. A wide variety of people come through his academy ranging from SEALS to cops to civilians and he said the SEALS are no more impressive than any other group of prior service bullet slingers and are less than impressive in most cases.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think there's anything easy about BUD/S. I have been to the Army's SF combat dive course-it was a tough school and the SEAL/S are much, much better in the water. All the rhetoric around BUD/S is soooo hard reminds me of crossfit and the 'we can do your stuff as well as you can and our stuff way better than you...'

Trooper said he had an Officer who did an exchange with the SEALs. This guy was Airborne, SF Ranger tabbed and all that. He said they kept giving him shit because he had never been through BUds or Hell Week so he actually participated in Hell Week. Jim asked him about it. Guy said it was tough but at least they let you sleep a bit and they feed you good and it's only a week, not like the lack of food and sleep and the long duration of Ranger school.

It's all relative. I'll say right now if allowed in I think I could have made it through Airbourne, Range schoolr, SFAS or the American version of selection but Para Rescue and SEALs involve way to much water shit for my taste. Parachutes, Helicopters, All terrain vehicles my own 2 feet even fucking Horses and Donkeys are more appealing to me than coming in from the sea. Maybe I have some Brother in me? I can swim OK but not great. And if I could have made it SF I would do my all to get into a HALO/HAHO ODA and everything to stay the fuck away from a Scuba ODA.Fuck swimming with Gators, I've seen those things eat in RL. falling thorugh the sky at terminal veocity from the upper atmosphere, now I could go for that. You piss your pants it will be dry by the time you hit the ground, I hear.

IGX

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