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On Monday, researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health released study results showing that red meat consumption was associated with a higher risk of early death. The more red meat -- beef, pork or lamb, for the purposes of the research -- study participants reported they ate, the more likely they were to die during the period of time that data collection took place (more than 20 years).http://www.latimes.com/health/boostersh ... 1706.story

I rest my case.

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karma: kill a sentient being, eventually he'll kill you. kill a lot of them, they'll kill you faster.

My dad ate grilled meat frequently. He lived an active vibrant life and died at 94.

Nutrition nag Adelle Davis said eating grilled meat would would drive one to an early grave.

She died at 70.

Fuck what people say. Live your life.

dead man walking wrote:karma: kill a sentient being, eventually he'll kill you. kill a lot of them, they'll kill you faster.

seeahill wrote:My dad ate grilled meat frequently. He lived an active vibrant life and died at 94.

Nutrition nag Adelle Davis said eating grilled meat would would drive one to an early grave.

She died at 70.

You should write to Harvard School of Public Health and share your ideas on research methodology.

that is a fucking stupid study. Lumping all different preps of red meat together, then not controlling for whatever shit people ate with or after it, renders this type of study absolutely fucking worthless.

Terry B. wrote:

seeahill wrote:My dad ate grilled meat frequently. He lived an active vibrant life and died at 94.

Nutrition nag Adelle Davis said eating grilled meat would would drive one to an early grave.

She died at 70.

You should write to Harvard School of Public Health and share your ideas on research methodology.

My point, should you have missed it, is "fuck those people."

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Red meat cuts off the back end diaper years.

Terry B. wrote:

seeahill wrote:My dad ate grilled meat frequently. He lived an active vibrant life and died at 94.

Nutrition nag Adelle Davis said eating grilled meat would would drive one to an early grave.

She died at 70.

You should write to Harvard School of Public Health and share your ideas on research methodology.

It's very clear you've never read any of Timmah's 'writing.'

This thread to become the "Log of Meat".


Hangar steaks are awesome.

so much wrong with that study it's difficult to determine where to begin.

dogchild wrote:so much wrong with that study it's difficult to determine where to begin.

The article doesn't say much about the actual study which concluded that people who ate more meat were more likely to be fat fucks who were less likely to eat fruit and veggies and more likely to sit on their asses, smoke and drink. Nice correlation but, as usual, the media screws it up when reporting it to a public that is unable to focus on more than one....

Terry B. wrote:

dogchild wrote:so much wrong with that study it's difficult to determine where to begin.

The article doesn't say much about the actual study which concluded that people who ate more meat were more likely to be fat fucks who were less likely to eat fruit and veggies and more likely to sit on their asses, smoke and drink. Nice correlation but, as usual, the media screws it up when reporting it to a public that is unable to focus on more than one....

That was exactly what I was going to point out, so maybe I should have said 'so much wrong with that headline...'

Obviously, mortality based studies always have more gravitas. However, so few studies look at nutrition and its role in quality of life. If you're alive and not living life like a savage, who gives a shit?

SAR wrote:that is a fucking stupid study. Lumping all different preps of red meat together, then not controlling for whatever shit people ate with or after it, renders this type of study absolutely fucking worthless.

What he said. The media in this country have no fucking clue how or what to report in medicine or public health or nutrition anymore. Read Ben Goldacre's stuff ("Bad Science: Quacks, Hacks and Big Pharmaflacks") for some clues on how to cut through the bullshit.

I like a good steak once in a while, or pork BBQ occasionally, and bacon is like manna from heaven.

I will admit I had always shied away from Veal, because they were killing baby cows and all. Then one time I was on a business trip in France and in this restaurant we had 2 choices for the dinner entree, some odd fish they couldn't explain what it was, or a Veal Tenderloin. So I went for the veal.

Oh my God, best meal ever. If you think regular beef tenderloin is good, you have to try a good veal tenderloin.

j-cubed wrote:I like a good steak once in a while, or pork BBQ occasionally, and bacon is like manna from heaven.

I will admit I had always shied away from Veal, because they were killing baby cows and all. Then one time I was on a business trip in France and in this restaurant we had 2 choices for the dinner entree, some odd fish they couldn't explain what it was, or a Veal Tenderloin. So I went for the veal.

Oh my God, best meal ever. If you think regular beef tenderloin is good, you have to try a good veal tenderloin.

Veal, is a by-product of the dairy industry. It's a waste of resources to raise bulls they don't need.

j-cubed wrote:I like a good steak once in a while, or pork BBQ occasionally, and bacon is like manna from heaven.

I will admit I had always shied away from Veal, because they were killing baby cows and all. Then one time I was on a business trip in France and in this restaurant we had 2 choices for the dinner entree, some odd fish they couldn't explain what it was, or a Veal Tenderloin. So I went for the veal.

Oh my God, best meal ever. If you think regular beef tenderloin is good, you have to try a good veal tenderloin.

The French eat a lot of meat. Which is why their average life expectancy is a mere 80.7 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so ... expectancy

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:

SAR wrote:that is a fucking stupid study. Lumping all different preps of red meat together, then not controlling for whatever shit people ate with or after it, renders this type of study absolutely fucking worthless.

What he said. The media in this country have no fucking clue how or what to report in medicine or public health or nutrition anymore. Read Ben Goldacre's stuff ("Bad Science: Quacks, Hacks and Big Pharmaflacks") for some clues on how to cut through the bullshit.

I'm not sure people in public health and nutrition know how to study it either. I read the study over lunch, and SAR is absolutely right about it. It had more coauthors with doctorates than it had pages, and I think one of our better undergrads could do just as well working alone.

Sometimes I wonder if referees in public health do anything other than look for their own name in the list of citations.

Pinky wrote:

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:

SAR wrote:that is a fucking stupid study. Lumping all different preps of red meat together, then not controlling for whatever shit people ate with or after it, renders this type of study absolutely fucking worthless.

What he said. The media in this country have no fucking clue how or what to report in medicine or public health or nutrition anymore. Read Ben Goldacre's stuff ("Bad Science: Quacks, Hacks and Big Pharmaflacks") for some clues on how to cut through the bullshit.

I'm not sure people in public health and nutrition know how to study it either. I read the study over lunch, and SAR is absolutely right about it. It had more coauthors with doctorates than it had pages, and I think one of our better undergrads could do just as well working alone.

Sometimes I wonder if referees in public health do anything other than look for their own name in the list of citations.

They're experts because they were required to take an Intro to STATA course in their PhD programs.

veal is a byproduct of deliciousness