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“Something will change because of this,” said Tasha Barnes, 26. “It’s got to change. Police don’t want a riot, and if justice is not made, there will be a riot.”

From: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/us/sh ... ml?_r=1&hp

This comment is a good summary of all that is fucked about this whole situation. None of the people protesting know shit about what is actually going on, and what kind of police work was actually done, but that doesn't stop them from making broad sweeping proclamations about it. If people actually cared about the truth then that means being okay with the fact that this kid may have been a hoodlum who assaulted this guy, but that is not even in the realm of possibility for these people. It is equally possible that Zimmerman is a racist, self empowered murder, but that does not make either one true.

From what I have read and gathered the police are and have done a reasonable job and a continuing investigation is ongoing. How about we have a little faith and wait and see what comes out of that investigation??

Rev. Sharp and Jesse Jackson and the like are making this situation so much worse for everyone. They jump at the chance to create another black victim, even when one may not be present at all. And now they have the media (and in turn most the country) convinced that their version of the truth is correct, not the police and prosecutors who are objectively working at the scene.

The protests and marches remind me a bit of the protests by UPENN football players at the initial firing of Joe Paterno before they had any idea what had actually happened....

This comment is a good summary of all that is fucked about this whole situation.

No it isn't. People get hysterical and make nonsensical remarks on both sides of every controversial issue.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

This comment is a good summary of all that is fucked about this whole situation.

No it isn't. People get hysterical and make nonsensical remarks on both sides of every controversial issue.

.... That is exactly why it is a good summary. People jump to whatever irrational conclusions support their preconceived bias' and make zero effort to asses what actually happened.

Thanks for reiterating the point I was trying to make I guess...?

CharlieBob wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

This comment is a good summary of all that is fucked about this whole situation.

No it isn't. People get hysterical and make nonsensical remarks on both sides of every controversial issue.

.... That is exactly why it is a good summary. People jump to whatever irrational conclusions support their preconceived bias' and make zero effort to asses what actually happened.

Thanks for reiterating the point I was trying to make I guess...?

REACT!!! think

A man who has shot an unarmed man dead should be in custody pending an investigation. He should not be roaming around free whilst the police decide whether or not there is a defence. This is not a bias, a rush to judgment or stupid agenda advancement. It's common sense. Switch the races and my answer is the same.

I don't know Florida law so maybe it's all as it should be, in which case the police aren't to blame an the laws seem stupid. But an important function of laws and procedures is to stop vigilanteism, to assure victims of crime that their loss of rights is being taken seriously and to give an impression of importance to catching and punishing someone likely or possibly responsible for the crime. So w'e have arrest powers, detention and bail procedures. This hole thing in Florida just sounds fucked. If it was your family member at the morgue, you'd be incandescent with rage.

These exact kinds of arguments and hypothetical situations were brought up when "Stand Your Ground" laws were being discussed and originally proposed.

But, of course, reason was defeated and poorly worded laws are on the books, and we get shit like this.

An important fact that a lot of people somehow forget or prefer to ignore is unarmed does not mean incapable of causing great bodily harm or even death. I really don't have an opinion on guilt or innocence of either in this case as I have questions that can't be answered at this time and I am apparently the 1% of Americans who would perfer to see all the facts before making a desicion.

The man in black wrote:An important fact that a lot of people somehow forget or prefer to ignore is unarmed does not mean incapable of causing great bodily harm or even death. I really don't have an opinion on guilt or innocence of either in this case as I have questions that can't be answered at this time and I am apparently the 1% of Americans who would perfer to see all the facts before making a desicion.

Meaningless piffle.

Firstly, many people would argue for detention pre-trial without rushing to any judgment at all. That's unrelated to judging the facts altogether.

Secondly, you can say that you are open to hearing the full facts before final decision and still have a view now based on what you've heard, without that making you somehow stupid and biased etc. For most normal people, this sounds like unjustifiable homicide. Get over yourself with the faux Matlock "patience is wisdom" routine.

You called it, I am human and do have some pre-concieved notions.

Testiclaw wrote:These exact kinds of arguments and hypothetical situations were brought up when "Stand Your Ground" laws were being discussed and originally proposed.

But, of course, reason was defeated and poorly worded laws are on the books, and we get shit like this.

If Zimmerman's account is accurate, the Stand Your Ground law is largely irrelevant.
When someone initiates violence, and is on top of you, pounding your face in, you get to respond with lethal force.

jgmack wrote:

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

jgmack wrote:Peruvians are not Beaners. Show me his Ancestry.com report? Zimmerman is a commom Geman name, not necessarily a Jewish surname. Ignoramus!

Peruvians are just high altitude Beaners with funnier hats. Stop being anal with semantics. And "Zimmerman" is not a common German name. No self-respecting German would spell it that way. The true German form is "Zimmermann"... two N's. The form with one N is almost exclusively Jewish. How many non-Jews do you know named "Zimmerman"? None. Exactly.

Wrong, Zimmerman is the 441st most common surnmame in the US. Derived from Zimmermann a German name. There are even blacks named Zimmerman. Not a Beaner and not a Jew. Ignoramus

And Zimmermann, with two N's, is the 35th most common name in Germany while only being the 158th most common among Jews, whereas Zimmerman with one N is the 42nd most common Jew name in Germany and 56th most common Jew name in America.

Checkmate.

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Testiclaw wrote:reason was defeated and poorly worded laws are on the books, and we get shit like this.

That's for judges and prosecutors to decide. That's what's happening now, and these cases take time to build. It will take more time because this law is new enough for there to be much precedent to base it on.

Judges and prosecutors don't decide whether a law is poorly drafted or not. That's horse shit. The people - and their legislature - decide that.

You know, the coverage of this event made me think Zimmerman was claiming he got beat up by a little schoolboy. Turns out the kid was six foot three.

This story is about to die out. There's a new hate crime deserving of national attention:

http://www.wect.com/story/17265736/caug ... occer-game

Surely Jesse Jackass and Al Sharp-weighs'a-ton will rush off to fight for justice in this new hate crime case. They're probably busy planning a "Million Cleat March" as we speak.

Seriously, though, the double standard in this country is ridiculous. One semi-white guy shoots a black guy and it's nationwide outrage. It HAS to be racism. No reason a white guy would shoot a black guy other than race. Yet nigs are murdering nigs every damn day in every damn city, 365 days a year, and that's totally normal. It's even glorified in their nig culture. These apes with the hoodies marching for justice should look for it in their own neighborhoods and families. Stop being worthless good-for-nothings who leech off other people's hard work and are a blight on society. 80% of your kids grow up without a father. THAT'S an issue. Not one dead nig that died under mysterious circumstances that haven't even been flushed out yet. These apes continue to flush themselves deeper and deeper into the toilet of life yet they're too stupid to stand up and take accountability for their own failures.

Pro-Tip: White people and any other imagined "boogeyman" can't do shit to you unless you allow it to happen yourself. Stop worshiping ghetto scum culture. Stop fucking like animals. Stop being lazy good-for-nothings. Stop making excuses.

My father busted his ass his entire life working two, sometimes even 3-4 jobs at a time, spending responsibly and saving up so that he could make something of his life. No one said "You're white. Here are the keys to the city." They looked at his name and thought "Great. Another fuckin' foreigner." He went to Vienna right out of the army without knowing anyone or having any kind of job lined up. All he knew was that he would find a way to make an honest day's living and help his parents back home. Within a few days he had managed to find a mechanic job at the largest Audi dealer in Austria, all the while living in a hostel and surviving on bread and salami that he would portion out to last him the entire week. Later on he moved to America and made a good life for himself through hard work and perseverance. There's NO REASON a black man, who knows the language better than my old man even knows it today and has had all the privileges of growing up American, can't make it AT LEAST as good as my father did.

Yet every day I deal with these nigs in their Section 8 housing, cleaning up their shit, fixing all the shit they inexplicably destroy, and feeling like I'm a zookeeper. They're animals, plain and simple. None of them do shit all day. The smell of weed smoke is constantly present, as are the sounds of Call of Duty and Madden emanating from their 65" TVs. Recently I had a white hipster couple move out because they couldn't keep fighting the barrage of roaches coming from the nig neighbors on the other side of the wall. The whites, despite being on Section 8 as well, kept their place immaculate and at least took some pride in their living quarters. The nigs on the other side of the wall? I have to shower as soon as I leave that place. Fat fuckin' walrus of a woman and her equally fat sister or cousin or whatever it is, and their little niglette mongrels (they're halfsy beaners or filipinos or some shit). The place is literally crawling with cockroaches. They're on the walls, the counters... everywhere. How they let it get so bad, IDK. It doesn't bother them one bit. They raise their damn kids in that filth. And these are people that we should respect and treat as equals? Haha. Right. And the kicker is that this woman gets OVER $5000 A MONTH in taxpayer-funded welfare and STILL can't come up with the additional $160 she owes out-of-pocket for rent every month. I'm cleaning nig shit all day and getting fleeced in taxes with no insurance or benefits of any kind, yet this fat cow sits on her fat ass all day fucking dudes and popping out more hungry mouths and gets $5K plus medical every month. And then people wonder why this country has gone to shit.

Sorry for the rant.

The most unfortunate thing about the video Kraj just posted is how awful those girls are at football.

Kraj 2.0 wrote:

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/19/tra ... or-racism/

Basic rundown: Kid's dad lives in a gated neighborhood. Kid goes out to the store to get him and his little brother candy during the NBA All-Star Game halftime break. On the way back, fat racist kike neighborhood-watchman decides the kid looks out of place in his purebred yid community. Calls cops. Cops tell him to leave the kid alone and wait for them to show up. Kike ignores cops orders and shoots the kid dead. Months later the cops have yet to arrest the kike.

So tell me, folks, what's going on here? You regretfully steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving kids and you'll end up in the back of a squad car being hauled off to jail, yet this fat greasy pig shoots a 17-yr-old boy in cold blood and is free to roam the streets. What gives?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html

Why the worm has turned on this story.

LOL. Yes, why isn't the media using those photos? It's soooo weird.

From the liberal rag The American Spectator.
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/03/2 ... von-martin

Apparently, the photo of "Trayvon" in the orange shorts, flipping off the camera, is fake.

The one below on the right, is supposedly more current than the one on the left that the news media has been running.

johno wrote:

Testiclaw wrote:These exact kinds of arguments and hypothetical situations were brought up when "Stand Your Ground" laws were being discussed and originally proposed.

But, of course, reason was defeated and poorly worded laws are on the books, and we get shit like this.

If Zimmerman's account is accurate, the Stand Your Ground law is largely irrelevant.
When someone initiates violence, and is on top of you, pounding your face in, you get to respond with lethal force.

I find it suspicious that Zimmerman's lawyer keeps bringing up the stand your ground clause. Not even the people who want Zimmerman hung have described a scenario in which a "stand your ground" clause is relevant.

johno wrote:Apparently, the photo of "Trayvon" in the orange shorts, flipping off the camera, is fake.

The one below on the right, is supposedly more current than the one on the left that the news media has been running.

Yep
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/247194 ... ent-person

Trayvon wasn't aging well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle ... story.html



PL, don't believe every shitty meme some fuck puts on the internet. The photo in the bottom right corner is fake and was used to support the narrative of whoever created the image. Kind of ironic considering the original intent of the image.

The narrative of what racist group? This has been a continous string of lies from the usual suspects. This has morphed from a 15 year old kid carrying skittles taking a break from NBA all star game getting shot by a white guy, to a 17 year old, 6 foot plus young man, on his third suspension from school for weed and burglary tools up at his dad's fiancee's house who decides he ain't gonna be disrespected and does what his culture teaches which is lay a beat down on on somebody. Who happened to be a hispanic democrat. Except this somebody had a gun and a right to use it. Tragic death of a young black man but NOT the story we heard last week.