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Patrick Goddard doesn't like energy audits. For him, as director of facilities for the town of Lexington, Massachusetts, an audit means a day spent walking around one of 22 buildings owned by the town, peering at insulation on windows and finding the keys to the HVAC room.

Worse, auditors "don't understand how the buildings operate," Goddard complains. "They see it at one point in time and do an analysis on what they see." Usually, their report comes back weeks later recommending more equipment, new windows, or more insulation.

So when a Lexington resident named Swapnil Shah approached Goddard at a meeting of the town energy committee and asked if the town was interested in a "virtual" audit, Goddard said yes.

He gave Shah a year's worth of data from the electricity meter of a town building. A few hours later, Shah sent Goddard a report showing that the building seemed to be using nearly as much energy after hours as during the day, suggesting it wasn't getting shut down properly. Eventually, Shah examined seven of Lexington's buildings and discovered problems that an auditor might have missed—for example, that the library's heating system was powering up at 4 a.m., hours before staff arrived in the mornings.

It was "absolutely better" than an on-the-ground audit, says Goddard, who expects simple efficiency fixes to save him $90,000, or about 3 percent of his annual operating budget.
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My inner HVAC/Automation nerd is thrilled by that.
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That's pretty cool.

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The government rarely grasps the concept of "lowest hanging fruit". Of course their solution to an energy audit is to look at the building and see what can be remodeled/renovated/updated/upgraded. It gives them a way to spend more money and justify their job.

But he cheapest energy is the energy you don't have to buy in the first place. And reducing a building's consumption to the bare minimum in off hours should be a no brainer. Then use that savings to go after the next lowest hanging fruit - windows/doors and insulation. Then use that savings to go to the next rung up the ladder. Pretty soon you've got the greenest building possible and it didn't cost a dime over your original operating budget.

It's almost too smart for a government to implement.
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Alfred_E._Neuman wrote:The government rarely grasps the concept of "lowest hanging fruit". Of course their solution to an energy audit is to look at the building and see what can be remodeled/renovated/updated/upgraded. It gives them a way to spend more money and justify their job.

But he cheapest energy is the energy you don't have to buy in the first place. And reducing a building's consumption to the bare minimum in off hours should be a no brainer. Then use that savings to go after the next lowest hanging fruit - windows/doors and insulation. Then use that savings to go to the next rung up the ladder. Pretty soon you've got the greenest building possible and it didn't cost a dime over your original operating budget.

It's almost too smart for a government to implement.
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And may make some jobs obsolete. My guess is that SEIU and AFSME are opposing these types of measures.
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Those guys would have a fucking heart attack walking around looking at some of the electric usage on a military base. I can't stand making my rounds when I'm on watch officer, seeing all the office spaces that have their climate control on all night, and all the buildings that leave all their lights on,while at the same time we're crying that we're losing so much money, and cutting benefits to the guys in the trenches.

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Once as a teenager I got a job doing a building inventory for the Army at Schofield Barracks. It was eye opening; they had so many structures they couldn't count them all, much less account for them all.
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I used to work at a big chemical company....the plant was full of unused building. One night I was running processes until about 10 PM and I noticed that 3-4 of the buildings, supposedly empty, were lit up at night.

I brought this up to a guy who'd been working there for 35 years. He told me 2 things.

1. The company kept the empty building lit because if someone should happen to stumble into them by breaking in, that if they were hurt, the company would be liable for the injuries. This actually happened on several occasions in the past. One was an incident involving a Greenpeace 'ecoterrorist'.

2. One of the buildings wasn't really empty. It was being used for 'secret' research stuff. I noticed the card reader entry was new on this building and while the exterior looked beat up, the windows were newer as well. I also noticed that this building was completely obscured from a line of sight from the fenceline.


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I know its good to "lower" the climate control during off hours but how much should you lower things before it takes as much to reheat - recool before you haven't accomplished anything. I know it will vary but maybe one of you know enough about this stuff to give me a guesstimate of sorts?


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climber511 wrote:I know its good to "lower" the climate control during off hours but how much should you lower things before it takes as much to reheat - recool before you haven't accomplished anything. I know it will vary but maybe one of you know enough about this stuff to give me a guesstimate of sorts?

varies wildly depending on climate and building type. many modern buildings have systems that are responsive to the occupancy and utilize lighting as a heat source at night. in fact a lot of these buildings have little heating required, most of the energy consumption is cooling as they have high heat loads (servers, lighting PC's and bodies)
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At the department store chain I once worked at the SOP had been for the early morning cleaning staff to throw one main breaker switch to turn everything on at 4am: lights, escalators, the whole damn works. Because of Peak Usage Billing that massive all-at-once inrush of current to all the circuits in 200,000 sqft of store meant eye-watering utility bills.

Post audit, changing SOP to a graduated series of power-ups in sections over several hours before store opening reduced their stores' monthly electric bills by an average of $11,000 per location.
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