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protobuilder wrote:I'm getting a lot of PMs asking why I couldn't have been a counselor at that youth camp on that fateful day. I appreciate people thinking I could have stopped the attack, but I'm not qualified to be a youth counselor.

Fat Cat wrote:And people argue against the death penalty. Let's have Gorbachev discourse on the shortcomings of Breivik's upbringing.

protobuilder wrote:You have to read it from the bottom up because the Europeans write backwards, like the Chinese.

Now Breivik recalls how he was arrested.

#Breivik says he saw a group of 6 people, and I think that they are Delta. First I thought about attacking them, but that was not objective

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik so I threw down my rifle. One of them called 'Lie down on your knees!' and I thought 'what exactly should I do now?'

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "And I thought if I put up an argument now, they will shoot me in the head, so I lay down on the ground." And they asked him...

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: ...whether he had any explosives on his body. And he said no. They asked were there others. Said no, but they didn't believe him

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

I was arrested only 5-10 metres from were I shot someone. Was kept there a while. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he was then taken to main house where they started interviewing him and it went on for some 5 hours.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

2.26pm: The defendant says he shot two more people and then spared a terrified young boy.

I spared a young boy crying hysterically. I told him he would be OK. He was too young. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.23pm: Breivik says that after he shot some more people he thought of taking his own life.

#Breivik: "And I thought, do I really want to survive this? I will be the most hated man in Norway. And I looked over and saw my Glock..."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "...and I thought about shooting myself in the head."Says he remembered his compendium and the plan to face judicial process.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

2.19pm: The defendant says that after the Pump House he tried to call the police again but could not get through.

#Breivik again calls the police, asks to put him through to Delta (special forces) so he can surrender. They don't. He carries on killing.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

2.14pm: The awful details continue. Breivik talks about shooting at a group of four or five people from a distance He thinks he killed two of them.

He then went to the Pump House and tricked people by asking "Have you seen him?" One of the people there who he killed pleaded to be spared.

#Breivik tells of how he tricked people - asking them "where is the terrorist?" Some believed him and came closer. Then he shot them.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

I remember one saying "Please mate". But I shot all of them. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.03pm: Breivik says he saw some boats helping Labour youth members flee and shot towards them. He thinks he hit two people. It was at this point that he called the police.

I thought my mission was accompliched by now and called police emergency number. Could not find my own mobile. Picks up a mobile.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

I try several times, but get busy signal with police. Get through in the end. Want to surrender. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

What am I doing now? Since police do not call back I assume they will not accept my surrender. Contine killing till police call back.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.00pm: The court is back in session. Please do be warned that there is likely to be more upsetting content as Breivik continues his description of the massacre he committed on Utøya.

1.51pm: Unsurprisingly, there has been an emotional response to Breivik's horrific description of his killing spree on Utøya.

People are crying as #Breivik is taken away in handcuffs. No one takes pictures of him now. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Journalists openly crying next to me. Some families and survivors contemplating leaving. This is very difficult to listen to. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik There's a lot of emotion here in and around the court room. That was very difficult testimony or many people to hear.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

1.31pm: After that harrowing session, the court has adjourned for a break.

1.30pm: Breivik continues with the awful detail of his killing spree. Warning: once again, the tweets below contain descriptions people may find upsetting.

#Breivik: "At the very end of the tent camp, there was a very large group of AUF there. There was one person vry close, had just come out

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik..of a tent, like he'd been listening his iPod and I went up to him very quietly and I just shot him in the head, and I didn't stop

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says all the people had then fled. He followed a group down Lovers' Path, they had stopped riunning and just lay down. And he

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivikwent up to them and shot them all in the head.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik "And at that point I lost control"

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik looked at his notes for a second there. Says he shouted "You are going to die today, Marxists!" at the tent site.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he lifted his rifle and shot man in head, woman ran, and was shot, then shot again.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

1.20pm: Breivik is describing in horrifying detail how he moved to the cafeteria next. Warning: the tweets below contain descriptions people may find upsetting.

I was in front of cafeteria. Someone said "You shot him". I lifted my rifle and shot towards cafeteria door and window. Total chaos.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

I decided to go into building to kill as many people as possible. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he can not remember what happened in the cafe. He remembers seeing blood. But not what he did. Says he now knows he killed 7.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

I start firing towards people by the piano. Shoot 4-5 persons. Shoot first in head, then follow up with more shots afterwards.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Breivik: "I see that some of them are just paralysed; they are unable to run. ..It's something that has never been shown on TV."

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

One person try to attack me with his hands. I push him away with one hand and shoot with the other. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

1.13pm: Breivik chillingly describes how he shot the off-duty police guard, Trond Berntsen, 51, and then "Mother Utøya", Monica Bosei, 45, who had organised the Labour youth camp for 20 years.

I held a pistol ready. Took it out. Thought it is now or never. When i lifted the weapons "mother Utøya" told me not to point weapon.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Shot off duty guard first. Then "mother Utøya". Shot them several times. Started to hear shouting around me. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Then shot voluntary labour youth nearby. People running all directions. I followed largest stream towards cafeteria. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: says a guard ran, and he was too far away to shoot in th head, but I shot him so he fell, then shot him in the head.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

1.06pm: He moves on to describing how he encountered an off-duty police guard on the island.

This is awful: Breivik describing how he tricked Utøya's head of security into believing he was a policeman coming to reassure the camp.

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

"I so didn't want to do this." #Breivik about to shoot first persons.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "I was walking with rifle in my hand, in a bag. I thought, it's now or never. That minute seemed to last for a year."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik:"When I took the weapon in my hand, it was like 100 voices in my head saying 'don't do it, don't do it."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

12.58pm: The defendant begins to chronologically go through the events leading up to the massacre on Utøya.

#Breivik says he parked up out of sight, changed, took off armour, put on combat vest with a lot of magazines, put blue lights on his car.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik was wearing his fake police uniform, and was concerned it might not be realistic enough. He told them there had been 'terrorist...

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: ...attack, and that he had been stationed on island as a precaution. The ferry had been cancelled but Breivik ordered it to return

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

This is awful: Breivik describing how he tricked Utøya's head of security into believing he was a policeman coming to reassure the camp.

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

12.48pm: The discussion moves on to Utøya and Breivik warns it will be "horrendous".

Breivik is now talking about Utøya - he has warned it will be "horrendous", suggests people leave the room

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

Gorbachev wrote:You don't think he could be rehabilitated?

Fat Cat wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:You don't think he could be rehabilitated?

I don't know. I'm saying I think that it serves the interest of society to see him killed off.

Terry B. wrote:

protobuilder wrote:You have to read it from the bottom up because the Europeans write backwards, like the Chinese.

Now Breivik recalls how he was arrested.

#Breivik says he saw a group of 6 people, and I think that they are Delta. First I thought about attacking them, but that was not objective

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik so I threw down my rifle. One of them called 'Lie down on your knees!' and I thought 'what exactly should I do now?'

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "And I thought if I put up an argument now, they will shoot me in the head, so I lay down on the ground." And they asked him...

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: ...whether he had any explosives on his body. And he said no. They asked were there others. Said no, but they didn't believe him

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

I was arrested only 5-10 metres from were I shot someone. Was kept there a while. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he was then taken to main house where they started interviewing him and it went on for some 5 hours.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

2.26pm: The defendant says he shot two more people and then spared a terrified young boy.

I spared a young boy crying hysterically. I told him he would be OK. He was too young. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.23pm: Breivik says that after he shot some more people he thought of taking his own life.

#Breivik: "And I thought, do I really want to survive this? I will be the most hated man in Norway. And I looked over and saw my Glock..."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "...and I thought about shooting myself in the head."Says he remembered his compendium and the plan to face judicial process.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

2.19pm: The defendant says that after the Pump House he tried to call the police again but could not get through.

#Breivik again calls the police, asks to put him through to Delta (special forces) so he can surrender. They don't. He carries on killing.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

2.14pm: The awful details continue. Breivik talks about shooting at a group of four or five people from a distance He thinks he killed two of them.

He then went to the Pump House and tricked people by asking "Have you seen him?" One of the people there who he killed pleaded to be spared.

#Breivik tells of how he tricked people - asking them "where is the terrorist?" Some believed him and came closer. Then he shot them.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

I remember one saying "Please mate". But I shot all of them. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.03pm: Breivik says he saw some boats helping Labour youth members flee and shot towards them. He thinks he hit two people. It was at this point that he called the police.

I thought my mission was accompliched by now and called police emergency number. Could not find my own mobile. Picks up a mobile.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

I try several times, but get busy signal with police. Get through in the end. Want to surrender. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

What am I doing now? Since police do not call back I assume they will not accept my surrender. Contine killing till police call back.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

2.00pm: The court is back in session. Please do be warned that there is likely to be more upsetting content as Breivik continues his description of the massacre he committed on Utøya.

1.51pm: Unsurprisingly, there has been an emotional response to Breivik's horrific description of his killing spree on Utøya.

People are crying as #Breivik is taken away in handcuffs. No one takes pictures of him now. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Journalists openly crying next to me. Some families and survivors contemplating leaving. This is very difficult to listen to. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik There's a lot of emotion here in and around the court room. That was very difficult testimony or many people to hear.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

1.31pm: After that harrowing session, the court has adjourned for a break.

1.30pm: Breivik continues with the awful detail of his killing spree. Warning: once again, the tweets below contain descriptions people may find upsetting.

#Breivik: "At the very end of the tent camp, there was a very large group of AUF there. There was one person vry close, had just come out

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik..of a tent, like he'd been listening his iPod and I went up to him very quietly and I just shot him in the head, and I didn't stop

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says all the people had then fled. He followed a group down Lovers' Path, they had stopped riunning and just lay down. And he

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivikwent up to them and shot them all in the head.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik "And at that point I lost control"

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik looked at his notes for a second there. Says he shouted "You are going to die today, Marxists!" at the tent site.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he lifted his rifle and shot man in head, woman ran, and was shot, then shot again.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

1.20pm: Breivik is describing in horrifying detail how he moved to the cafeteria next. Warning: the tweets below contain descriptions people may find upsetting.

I was in front of cafeteria. Someone said "You shot him". I lifted my rifle and shot towards cafeteria door and window. Total chaos.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

I decided to go into building to kill as many people as possible. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik says he can not remember what happened in the cafe. He remembers seeing blood. But not what he did. Says he now knows he killed 7.

— Matthew Price (@matthewwprice) April 20, 2012

I start firing towards people by the piano. Shoot 4-5 persons. Shoot first in head, then follow up with more shots afterwards.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Breivik: "I see that some of them are just paralysed; they are unable to run. ..It's something that has never been shown on TV."

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

One person try to attack me with his hands. I push him away with one hand and shoot with the other. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

1.13pm: Breivik chillingly describes how he shot the off-duty police guard, Trond Berntsen, 51, and then "Mother Utøya", Monica Bosei, 45, who had organised the Labour youth camp for 20 years.

I held a pistol ready. Took it out. Thought it is now or never. When i lifted the weapons "mother Utøya" told me not to point weapon.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Shot off duty guard first. Then "mother Utøya". Shot them several times. Started to hear shouting around me. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

Then shot voluntary labour youth nearby. People running all directions. I followed largest stream towards cafeteria. #Breivik

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: says a guard ran, and he was too far away to shoot in th head, but I shot him so he fell, then shot him in the head.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

1.06pm: He moves on to describing how he encountered an off-duty police guard on the island.

This is awful: Breivik describing how he tricked Utøya's head of security into believing he was a policeman coming to reassure the camp.

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

"I so didn't want to do this." #Breivik about to shoot first persons.

— Trygve Sorvaag (@TrygveSorvaag) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: "I was walking with rifle in my hand, in a bag. I thought, it's now or never. That minute seemed to last for a year."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik:"When I took the weapon in my hand, it was like 100 voices in my head saying 'don't do it, don't do it."

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

12.58pm: The defendant begins to chronologically go through the events leading up to the massacre on Utøya.

#Breivik says he parked up out of sight, changed, took off armour, put on combat vest with a lot of magazines, put blue lights on his car.

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik was wearing his fake police uniform, and was concerned it might not be realistic enough. He told them there had been 'terrorist...

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

#Breivik: ...attack, and that he had been stationed on island as a precaution. The ferry had been cancelled but Breivik ordered it to return

— Paul Brennan (@paulrbrennan) April 20, 2012

This is awful: Breivik describing how he tricked Utøya's head of security into believing he was a policeman coming to reassure the camp.

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

12.48pm: The discussion moves on to Utøya and Breivik warns it will be "horrendous".

Breivik is now talking about Utøya - he has warned it will be "horrendous", suggests people leave the room

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) April 20, 2012

What's it say?

protobuilder wrote:
And to the rest of your philosophizing faggots mucking up my Fred, I think everyone can agree 21 years in a decent Norwegian prison isn't a fitting punishment.

Beer Jew wrote:Nothing's a reasonable punishment.

How do you decide how much punishment he deserves for each life taken? For all the damaged lives left behind?

Rehabilitation my arse. He doesn't deserve the chance at a life, inside prison or out. The only question is, how should he die.

Gorbachev wrote:

Beer [b][i][u]Jew[/u][/i][/b] wrote:Nothing's a reasonable punishment.

How do you decide how much punishment he deserves for each life taken? For all the damaged lives left behind?

Rehabilitation my arse. He doesn't deserve the chance at a life, inside prison or out. The only question is, how should he die.

A very un-Christian attitude.

Gorbachev wrote:

Beer Jew wrote:Nothing's a reasonable punishment.

How do you decide how much punishment he deserves for each life taken? For all the damaged lives left behind?

Rehabilitation my arse. He doesn't deserve the chance at a life, inside prison or out. The only question is, how should he die.

A very un-Christian attitude.

The punishment of "sitting in the tub" saw the convicted person placed in a wooden tub with only their head sticking out. The executioner would then paint the victim's face with milk and honey. Flies would begin to swarm around the victim's nose and eyelids. The victim was also fed regularly and fairly soon, they would virtually be swimming in their own excrement.

At which stage maggots and worms would devour their body. One victim apparently survived for 17 days -- he decayed alive.

Beer Jew wrote:A fitting punishment:

The punishment of "sitting in the tub" saw the convicted person placed in a wooden tub with only their head sticking out. The executioner would then paint the victim's face with milk and honey. Flies would begin to swarm around the victim's nose and eyelids. The victim was also fed regularly and fairly soon, they would virtually be swimming in their own excrement.

At which stage maggots and worms would devour their body. One victim apparently survived for 17 days -- he decayed alive.

The terror of waiting for this to happen, and feeling it begin to happen, would be akin to a fraction of the terror his victims felt.

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:This is what awaits him:



http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110729.htm

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:This is what awaits him:



http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110729.htm

That would be, what, $2700/month on Manhattan's Upper East Side?

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:This is what awaits him:



http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110729.htm

That would be, what, $2700/month on Manhattan's Upper East Side?